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T. Hoskins
07-16-2002, 01:15 PM
>>But no, you'd rather sit in here and whine like a beat up h0 about how >>someone's
stealing all your tricks. The simple fact is, if a company >>thinks they're
going to do well saving a buck and hiring someone that's >>likely desperate
for a start, and potentially sacrifice highly skilled >>workers in the process,

Do you really believe this?

The fact is that it has ALWAYS been difficult to break into this industry
(at least in the US). All you have to do is go to an online recruiting site
for college students or an IT cert site and read the posts from talented
college grads who are desperately looking for a break.

>>then they won't be in business too long. But don't spit at people that

>>actually see talent in people that decide to come to your country to >>make
something of themselves, and certainly don't spit at the people >>trying
to make something of themselves. You can take that >>discriminatory "I was
here first" attitude,
>>bend over, and ram it where the sun doesn't shine.

Yeah right. Most companies don't have a friggin idea how to judge talent.
In fact, there was an editorial written in Visual Studio magazine a couple
of months ago where the author mentioned that companies rarely hire the most
talented software developer! Companies hire H-1B workers for a variety of
reasons, however, talent is rarely on the top of their list of reasons why
they do so.

Why do you keep insisting that H-1B workers are immigrants? An H-1B worker's
chance of getting a green card is no better than anyone elses.

>>Here's also something else to think about. In times of plenty, developers
>>were in short supply, so they had power on the table and companies

Can't argue with you there. During the late 1990's (Y2K, Euro conversion,
and Dot Con era) I believe there was a shortage of IT workers. That was
a one time shortage that has long since passed.

Question: Why do you think Silicon Valley companies hired so many H-1B workers
in the late 1990s?

Answer: Because many of these companies had no need for long-term workers.

Checkout this website if you need further clarification/information.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/dotcon/

mark
07-16-2002, 02:54 PM
Also, it is very fair to point out that many American IT workers are in debt
in student loans up to their proverbial ears. We don't have it cushy with
a free education like many of these countries where this labor is coming
from. Those countries have subsidized education. ****, in England you get
a wage to go to school. WE had to work part time, whilst WE went to school
and WE still owe thousands.


"T. Hoskins" <thoskins@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>>But no, you'd rather sit in here and whine like a beat up h0 about how
>>someone's
>stealing all your tricks. The simple fact is, if a company >>thinks they're
>going to do well saving a buck and hiring someone that's >>likely desperate
>for a start, and potentially sacrifice highly skilled >>workers in the process,
>
>Do you really believe this?
>
>The fact is that it has ALWAYS been difficult to break into this industry
>(at least in the US). All you have to do is go to an online recruiting
site
>for college students or an IT cert site and read the posts from talented
>college grads who are desperately looking for a break.
>
>>>then they won't be in business too long. But don't spit at people that
>
>>>actually see talent in people that decide to come to your country to >>make
>something of themselves, and certainly don't spit at the people >>trying
>to make something of themselves. You can take that >>discriminatory "I was
>here first" attitude,
>>>bend over, and ram it where the sun doesn't shine.
>
>Yeah right. Most companies don't have a friggin idea how to judge talent.
> In fact, there was an editorial written in Visual Studio magazine a couple
>of months ago where the author mentioned that companies rarely hire the
most
>talented software developer! Companies hire H-1B workers for a variety
of
>reasons, however, talent is rarely on the top of their list of reasons why
>they do so.
>
>Why do you keep insisting that H-1B workers are immigrants? An H-1B worker's
>chance of getting a green card is no better than anyone elses.
>
>>>Here's also something else to think about. In times of plenty, developers
>>>were in short supply, so they had power on the table and companies
>
>Can't argue with you there. During the late 1990's (Y2K, Euro conversion,
>and Dot Con era) I believe there was a shortage of IT workers. That was
>a one time shortage that has long since passed.
>
>Question: Why do you think Silicon Valley companies hired so many H-1B
workers
>in the late 1990s?
>
>Answer: Because many of these companies had no need for long-term workers.
>
>Checkout this website if you need further clarification/information.
>http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/dotcon/