Is MS pushing VB over C#

[Patrick Steele]

In article <C#K9pk366749271@ex.csharpindex.com> (from Sam
<Sam@yahoo.com>),
> Hi all,
>
> Is it me or does Microsoft seems to be pushing VB lately?

Haven't noticed it, but it could be.

> If you go to msdn homepage it is all about VB. I signed of for Microsoft
> .NET Developer Training Tour
> and I heard that will be done only in VB. Has anyone taken this 2 day
> training? If so, was it done
> only in VB?

Yes, I just returned from this one. And yes, all of the examples are in
VB.NET. It's kind of a "least common denominator" thing. There were
some C++ people in the crowd, but they could understand the concepts
with no problems. It's more the framework than the language.

However, they did raffle off 5 C# books... :)

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Patrick Steele
(psteele@ipdsolution.com)
Lead Software Architect
Image Process Design

[Sam]

Hi all,

Is it me or does Microsoft seems to be pushing VB lately?

If you go to msdn homepage it is all about VB. I signed of for Microsoft
..NET Developer Training Tour
and I heard that will be done only in VB. Has anyone taken this 2 day
training? If so, was it done
only in VB?

BTW, I like VB.

Maybe they are just trying to make up for the all C# days we went through
earlier.

Thanks


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[Jonathan Allen]

> Maybe they are just trying to make up for the all C# days we went through
> earlier.

It wouldn't surprise me.

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Jonathan Allen


"Sam" <Sam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:C#K9pk366749271@ex.csharpindex.com...
> Hi all,
>
> Is it me or does Microsoft seems to be pushing VB lately?
>
> If you go to msdn homepage it is all about VB. I signed of for Microsoft
> .NET Developer Training Tour
> and I heard that will be done only in VB. Has anyone taken this 2 day
> training? If so, was it done
> only in VB?
>
> BTW, I like VB.
>
> Maybe they are just trying to make up for the all C# days we went through
> earlier.
>
> Thanks
>
>
> --
> Sent via http://csharpindex.com
> C# Index to resources
>
>

[Angel Amador]

I have not been looking but they always push VB it is Bill's favorite
language...
"Sam" <Sam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:C#K9pk366749271@ex.csharpindex.com...
> Hi all,
>
> Is it me or does Microsoft seems to be pushing VB lately?
>
> If you go to msdn homepage it is all about VB. I signed of for Microsoft
> .NET Developer Training Tour
> and I heard that will be done only in VB. Has anyone taken this 2 day
> training? If so, was it done
> only in VB?
>
> BTW, I like VB.
>
> Maybe they are just trying to make up for the all C# days we went through
> earlier.
>
> Thanks
>
>
> --
> Sent via http://csharpindex.com
> C# Index to resources
>
>

[Guy]

"Sam" <Sam@yahoo.com> wrote:
[snip]
>Maybe they are just trying to make up for the all C# days we went through
>earlier.

I think you've identified the reason there... remember MS has an existing
market with VB that it will be wanting to nuture, and even if it's intent
was to migrate portions of this VB market to C# it would have to ensure that
it didn't loose segments during a transition.

I know that there was much alarm (and may still be among many VB developers
during the early days of .NET and I think that MS is simply trying to reassure
them... quite reasonable and smart.

There first examples to come out of MS for .NET were C#... the first books
available (certainly in the UK) for .NET were for C#... I think it quite
reasonable that VB get a bit of attention now.

Personaly, and simple due to personal bias, preference and unreasoned gut
reaction, I'd be happy if VB died as I find it an ugly, ******* of a language...
but that's just my emotional unreasoned feelings on the matter =)

[Dean Cleaver]

You never know... VB might think that of you too ;-)

Dino

"Guy" <somewhere@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:3b95f64e$1@news.devx.com...
<snip> an ugly, ******* </snip>

[David]

I think Microsoft is definitely pushing VB. I believe the reason is that it
is so widely used by people developing interfaces and scripting web pages.
Also it has the largest change moving into the .NET world. Microsoft has
actually attempted to make VB a real programming language with actual object
oriented features that so many other languages have had for years. So VB
programmers will have the most to learn to move to .NET.

I attented the .NET developer training tour and most of it was in VB. The
disappointing thing to me, a C++ programmer, is that C++ is basically gone.
They never mentioned it and when asked how to move existing C++ apps to .NET
they said Microsoft does not anticipate anyone doing that.

By the way, the .NET developer training tour, like most Microsoft training,
is not worth the money. You can get more from just reading a book.

[Ralph]

"David" <rockclimber62@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>I think Microsoft is definitely pushing VB. I believe the reason is that
it
>is so widely used by people developing interfaces and scripting web pages.
>Also it has the largest change moving into the .NET world. Microsoft has
>actually attempted to make VB a real programming language with actual object
>oriented features that so many other languages have had for years. So VB
>programmers will have the most to learn to move to .NET.
>
>I attented the .NET developer training tour and most of it was in VB. The
>disappointing thing to me, a C++ programmer, is that C++ is basically gone.
>They never mentioned it and when asked how to move existing C++ apps to
.NET
>they said Microsoft does not anticipate anyone doing that.
>
>By the way, the .NET developer training tour, like most Microsoft training,
>is not worth the money. You can get more from just reading a book.
>
>

You touched on an interesting point (to me anyway) and that is a general
lack of any C++ support beyond the ability to create 'managed' modules (_gc
and exception handling). Maybe that is all we need? I don't know.

In one way I can appreciate there is not really a reason to do a MFC.NET
or ATL.NET, Forms are certainly easier and 'com' is gone. On the other hand,
I have not had much luck with 'canned/shrinkwrap' VB applications, preferring
instead free-standing solutions using MFC/SDK . They take longer to write,
but are generally far more robust and stable when completed.

I am not yet convinced that C# will be any better than VB. I am still a newbie
with the language, so my opinion is useless at this point. But how do you
go to the "Powers That Be" and tell them... "Well, C++ was a good idea for
us last week, but now we 'might' have to change to this new stuff, but I'm
not sure...". THAT will go over well.

I appreciate M$s marketing strategies, but I sure would like some more information
where C++ fits in or doesn't in M$'s future.

Are we destined for the MASM ash pit? <g>

-ralph

[Jesse Liberty]

"> I am not yet convinced that C# will be any better than VB

You seemed (from context) to be saying that C# won't be any better than vb6
from the vantage point of a C++ programmer. I can only tell you that after
working with C++ for ten years (and writing a dozen books on it) that I've
switched my attention to C# and I love it. The transition from C++ to
C#/.NET is, in some ways, as gratifying and exciting as the transition was
from Unix/C to Windows/C++ back in 1991.

C# provides a clean language with many nice additions such as enumerations
and delegates as first class members of the language. More important is
garbage collection and a much cleaner use of references. Most important is
the .NET framework which is an incredibly robust library that is far cleaner
and more object-oriented than the MFC.

C# performance seems to be excellent, and of course this is still only a
beta product.

(Caveat emptor: I have a book on C# and a financial interest in its
success).

--
Jesse Liberty
Author: Programming C#
http://www.LibertyAssociates.com

[Eric Gunnerson]

"David" <rockclimber62@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3b97ad23$1@news.devx.com...
>
> I think Microsoft is definitely pushing VB. I believe the reason is that
it
> is so widely used by people developing interfaces and scripting web pages.
> Also it has the largest change moving into the .NET world. Microsoft has
> actually attempted to make VB a real programming language with actual
object
> oriented features that so many other languages have had for years. So VB
> programmers will have the most to learn to move to .NET.
>
> I attented the .NET developer training tour and most of it was in VB. The
> disappointing thing to me, a C++ programmer, is that C++ is basically
gone.
> They never mentioned it and when asked how to move existing C++ apps to
..NET
> they said Microsoft does not anticipate anyone doing that.

That perception is something that we're trying to address. We do expect that
people will want to move C++ apps to .NET, and the Managed Extensions to C++
provide an easy path to get started, and you can move apps incrementally if
you wish.

If you have other questions in this area, I suggest the
microsoft.public.dotnet.languages.vc newsgroup

[lyndon_h]

I agree with you 100%. VB is very ugly. Learning C# is IMHO a much better
decision because it is a very easy transition to and from Java.


"Guy" <somewhere@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>"Sam" <Sam@yahoo.com> wrote:
>[snip]
>>Maybe they are just trying to make up for the all C# days we went through
>>earlier.
>
>I think you've identified the reason there... remember MS has an existing
>market with VB that it will be wanting to nuture, and even if it's intent
>was to migrate portions of this VB market to C# it would have to ensure
that
>it didn't loose segments during a transition.
>
>I know that there was much alarm (and may still be among many VB developers
>during the early days of .NET and I think that MS is simply trying to reassure
>them... quite reasonable and smart.
>
>There first examples to come out of MS for .NET were C#... the first books
>available (certainly in the UK) for .NET were for C#... I think it quite
>reasonable that VB get a bit of attention now.
>
>Personaly, and simple due to personal bias, preference and unreasoned gut
>reaction, I'd be happy if VB died as I find it an ugly, ******* of a language...
>but that's just my emotional unreasoned feelings on the matter =)