What about Netscape?

[Scott Koon]

One thing that IS consistant throughout ALL of these kinds of articles is
a lack of examples.

Have you ever seen ANY of the authors say "See it doesn't support THIS standard!"?
No, They just rant and rave on about one quote from the MS marketing dept
(2 drink minimum). There are always vague accusations about how "developes
code won't work on IE 5.5" but never any explicit examples. There are specific
examples where NN DOESN'T support standards that would make our lives easier
as intranet/internet devs. The most flagrant one I can think of is data binding.
According to the W3C, being able to bind HTML controls to a data source (e.g.
java applet, XML document (which NN doesn't support at ALL, but we won't
get into that 8) ), etc...) is an HTML 4.0 standard, yet NN has never supported
it. Where are the articles proclaiming NN's incompatibility with the standards?!?!?!?!?
Between the two which one do you think is more W3C compliant? Definately
IE.

Netscape 4.7, the latest version of Netscape, still doesn't fully support
CSS1 (specifically the class attribute in TD tags as one example), Let alone
fully supporting the W3C DOM standard or CSS2. XML for Netscape? Try XWL
(eXtensible WHINING language) for Netscape. I've been developing intranet
and internet sites since IE 3 & NN 3 and I can tell you for sure which one
is easier to develop for and is more standards compliant (hint: it's not
Netscape).

"What about the beta version of NN 6.0"?

What the heck happened to version 5??!?!?! (don't even try to mention "Gecko"
or "Opera", the latest "standards compliant" browsers to be trumpeted. They
died off quicker than Elvis on the pot with a ham sammich and were HARDLY
standards compliant. (Maybe HTML 2.0?))

So far the only thing to come out of NN 6.0 Beta is the User Interface markup
language. Great idea, that's what we need. Now we can't even keep the same
browser UI between users, let alone platforms?!?!!?!?!?. (don't say "it's
just skins", it's more than skins.)
NN doesn't even degrade well if you try to use a CSS2 standard style sheet.

So this guy can spare me the MS bashing, I'm no great fan of ALL of their
products, but Internet Explorer is one of the best products to come out of
Redmond , IMHO, since Dos 5.0.

[Glenn Davis]

"Scott Koon" <ScottK@cerebuscorp.com> wrote:
>
>One thing that IS consistant throughout ALL of these kinds of articles is
>a lack of examples.
>Have you ever seen ANY of the authors say "See it doesn't support THIS standard!"?
>No, They just rant and rave on about one quote from the MS marketing dept
>(2 drink minimum).

A small bit of research will most certainly disprove that statement. Start
at http://www.webstandards.org/ and follow the resources links. You'll find
many articles outlining what doesn't support what and you'll find those articles
from many places on the web.



>There are specific
>examples where NN DOESN'T support standards that would make our lives easier
>as intranet/internet devs. The most flagrant one I can think of is data
binding.
>According to the W3C, being able to bind HTML controls to a data source
(e.g.
>java applet, XML document (which NN doesn't support at ALL, but we won't
>get into that 8) ), etc...) is an HTML 4.0 standard, yet NN has never
supported
>it.

I would just love for you to post the W3C references to this topic. I'd
love to see them.


>Where are the articles proclaiming NN's incompatibility with the standards?!?!?!?!?

Again, start at http://www.webstandards.org/ There have been plenty of articles
written about NN's incompatabilities.

>So this guy can spare me the MS bashing, I'm no great fan of ALL of their
>products, but Internet Explorer is one of the best products to come out
of
>Redmond , IMHO, since Dos 5.0.

I happen to agree that IE5 is a great product, as a user interface to the
web. I use it all the time. However, I also write code for the web and
I want the ability to write once, read anywhere. Standards support offers
that ability.

Glenn