IBM support of Linux

[Shantul]

I just don't get it... What does it take for you guys to stop blindly bowing
to Microsoft? It isn't the only system out there and Linux has a lot going
for it with or without IBM. It was IBM's support of Windows and DOS that
made it popular. It is IBM/Oracle/Sun and the Open Source community that
will make Linux succeed. What is ironic is that Microsoft is doing what Apple
had done all along... played as if it was the only game in town.... "We are
the innovators and the best in the business...." Sound familiar? Steve Jobs
words back in the mid to late 80's.... Echo's Microsoft right now.... So
why are you guys always bad mouthing everyone that supports any OS that is
not made by Microsoft? Do you intend on becoming the next MacWorld.... sorry....
MicrosoftWorld? I have been developing on Microsoft platforms for almost
10 years now and I have seen Apple, OS/2, Apollo and a god know how many
other systems fall by the way side... the only common theme.... they all
thought that they were the only game in town until it was to late... The
other theme.... The Press for the systems would bad mouth all supporters
of other systems. It is sad really.... Now that Microsoft has stolen Kerberos
and is making it a major part of its security, I am sure you guys will start
saying that Microsoft invented that to...

Maybe someday you will grow up and realize that computer and OS's are nothing
more than engines... They change.... they evolve.... they die. The only people
that survive are the ones that are able to take what they have learned and
apply it to the new platform before they get lost in the shuffle.

[Phil Weber]

> So why are you guys always bad mouthing everyone
> that supports any OS that is not made by Microsoft?

Shantul: I just read the piece, and fail to see where the author "bad
mouths" IBM. Can you point out a specific sentence or two that you consider
"bad mouthing?"
---
Phil Weber
DevX.com, Inc.

[Marc BErnstein]

"Phil Weber" <pweber@teleport.com> wrote:
> > So why are you guys always bad mouthing everyone
> > that supports any OS that is not made by Microsoft?
>
>Shantul: I just read the piece, and fail to see where the author "bad
>mouths" IBM. Can you point out a specific sentence or two that you consider
>"bad mouthing?"
>---
>Phil Weber
>DevX.com, Inc.
>
>
I think the "bad mouthing" is that the author implies indirectly and as his
closing sentance that theLinux strategy is a fly-by-night strategy for IBM
and that they will fail and move on to something else.

The tone of the article is not Pro-Microsoft, but the author seems to have
little respect for IBM's strategic O/S decisions.

Marc Bernstein
Cash Station, Inc.

[Karl E. Peterson]

Hi Marc --

> The tone of the article is not Pro-Microsoft, but the author seems to have
> little respect for IBM's strategic O/S decisions.

Heh, can you say, "OS/2"? <g>

Later... Karl
--
http://www.mvps.org/vb

[Karl E. Peterson]

Shantul --

> It was IBM's support of Windows ... that made it popular.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(Lesson for the future... One *lunatic* statement like that, and the entire argument
goes out the proverbial Window. Heh, you probably think it's Microsoft's fault OS/2
died, too, right? <LOL>)

Thanks... Karl
--
http://www.mvps.org/vb

[Bob Rafuse]

> The tone of the article is not Pro-Microsoft, but the author seems to have
> little respect for IBM's strategic O/S decisions.

What, in IBM's history of strategic OS decisions, indicates that IBM
deserves ANY respect in this regard?

Bob.

[Alessandro Coppo]

"Karl E. Peterson" wrote:

> Heh, can you say, "OS/2"? <g>

Well, I can say embedded systems, PC, workstations, servers of any size
(R/6000's, AS/400's, S/390's). Now there is NO hardware range from IBM which
cannot run Linux (by the way, the S/390 version got 2000+ downloads in in a few
days...).

From IBM you can get Linux (OS) everywhere and Java (RAD) again everywhere and,
more important, respect and consideration for developers who are the greatest
asset and not a liability (as "another" firm thinks...).

Bye bye...

P.S.: IBM has been talking (and working) about Linux for more than one year.

[Karl E. Peterson]

> > Heh, can you say, "OS/2"? <g>
>
> Well, I can say embedded systems, PC, workstations, servers of any size
> (R/6000's, AS/400's, S/390's). Now there is NO hardware range from IBM which
> cannot run Linux (by the way, the S/390 version got 2000+ downloads in in a few
> days...).

Heh, okay Alessandro, you run off now and code for those 2000+ workstations, okay?
I've got a few hundred million keeping me busy. <LOL>

> From IBM you can get Linux (OS) everywhere and Java (RAD) again everywhere and,
> more important, respect and consideration for developers who are the greatest
> asset and not a liability (as "another" firm thinks...).

You *are* kidding, right? IBM, the company that tried charging developers for SDKs,
considers them assets??? Since when? ROFLMAO! (How *old* are you, anyway,
Alessandro?)

> P.S.: IBM has been talking (and working) about Linux for more than one year.

Oooohhhhhhhhhhhh! I see. And...? <chuckle>

Later... Karl
--
http://www.mvps.org/vb

[Phil Weber]

> From IBM you can get...respect and consideration
> for developers who are the greatest asset and not
> a liability (as "another" firm thinks...).

Alex: I assume you're alluding to Microsoft? If so, you're way off the mark:
Microsoft has always realized that developers are key to the success of
Windows. Visit msdn.microsoft.com and see how much technical information
Microsoft makes available free of charge to developers. Do you claim that
IBM (or any other OS vendor) comes close to this level of free developer
support?
---
Phil Weber

[Alessandro Coppo]

"Karl E. Peterson" wrote:

> Heh, okay Alessandro, you run off now and code for those 2000+ workstations, okay?
> I've got a few hundred million keeping me busy. <LOL>

S/390's are not workstations... . They boxes which can replace clusters of high-end Sun
servers (which are in turn boxes capable of replacing 10s/100s of PCs). I wont code of
them (unfortunately), but IBM/SAP/ArthurAndersen etc. etc. will do... by the way, a 2
CPU S/390 + VM demonstrated running 44,100 (no mistake, fourtyfour thousands one
hundred) copies of Linux, each working as a Apache server. Sure, the box costs in the
range 1M$+ (may be another digit ;-) ) but if it can replace 5,000 1000$ PCs, working
24/7 for some years without downtime, well it is a possible proposition as a web server,
isn't it?

How old am I? 40, and therefore old enough to remember when IBM was shooting itself with
PS/2 and OS/2. The difference between IBM and MS is that when IBM was on the brink of
collapse, it fired the culprit (Mr. Akers), got the current CEO, who was humble enough
to learn the ins and outs of IBM, reinvented itself and is now back. I do not expect MS
to fire BillG and StevenB and reinvent itself... personality cult is not bad only in
politics.

Developer relations? go to IBM Alphaworks site and see by yourself.

Bye bye!!!