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Rob Teixeira
11-09-2000, 01:20 PM
I find it incredible that a web (as in "World" wide web) based development
framework is not setting new standards for international support.

I've worked on a few international systems, and particularly where the web
is involved, international support is vital. I still think it's idiotic that
I have to compile a desktop app several times to make it available to different
languages. But in the case of a web server, the one server app should be
able to accept input from different locales and process them seamlessly.
Writing such a server app is (or at least was) unecessarily complex. Support
for multi-lingual content display and unicode is only the tip of the iceberg,
and unfortunately, VB has traditionally been pitifully poor even in that.

-Rob

"Michael \(michka\) Kaplan" <former_mvp@spamfree.trigeminal.nospam.com> wrote:
>That's okay Bill, version 1.0 of .NET is not as internationally aware as
one
>might like anyway. :-(
>
>I have hopes, but every day I notice other things missing and not covered.
>It will be a lot less fun to cover than the last versions were (then I could
>assume it was ignorance of the scenario, but now it it can only be willful
>disregard, given what they have improved).
>
>--
>MichKa
>
>a new book on internationalization in VB at
>http://www.i18nWithVB.com/
>
>"Bill McCarthy" <Bill_McC@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
>news:3a0a90ef@news.devx.com...
>> Hi Michka,
>>
>> "Michael (michka) Kaplan" <former_mvp@spamfree.trigeminal.nospam.com>
>wrote
>> in message news:3a0a0759$1@news.devx.com...
>> > And someone from MS pointed out to me (based on her days in school way
>> back
>> > when!) that sporks, in trying to be all things to all people, ended
up
>> being
>> > slightly deficient to all.
>> >
>> > Maybe Visual Spork DOES make sense? <g>
>> >
>>
>> Ah, but that wouldn't be international aware <g>. Over here, down under,
>> those Sporks were actually Splades.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Michael \(michka\) Kaplan
11-09-2000, 10:43 PM
I agree 100%, and I frankly wish MS would make the effort to make me LESS
busy instead of more busy by doing things right. Unfortunately, on the
international front they have taken seven steps foward, and somewhere
between 3 and 4 steps back (depending on how much they cut). I truly wish
that they would start treating things with a bit more thought and planning.
:-(

--
MichKa

a new book on internationalization in VB at
http://www.i18nWithVB.com/

"Rob Teixeira" <RobTeixeira@@msn.com> wrote in message
news:3a0aeb06$1@news.devx.com...
>
> I find it incredible that a web (as in "World" wide web) based development
> framework is not setting new standards for international support.
>
> I've worked on a few international systems, and particularly where the web
> is involved, international support is vital. I still think it's idiotic
that
> I have to compile a desktop app several times to make it available to
different
> languages. But in the case of a web server, the one server app should be
> able to accept input from different locales and process them seamlessly.
> Writing such a server app is (or at least was) unecessarily complex.
Support
> for multi-lingual content display and unicode is only the tip of the
iceberg,
> and unfortunately, VB has traditionally been pitifully poor even in that.
>
> -Rob
>
> "Michael \(michka\) Kaplan" <former_mvp@spamfree.trigeminal.nospam.com>
wrote:
> >That's okay Bill, version 1.0 of .NET is not as internationally aware as
> one
> >might like anyway. :-(
> >
> >I have hopes, but every day I notice other things missing and not
covered.
> >It will be a lot less fun to cover than the last versions were (then I
could
> >assume it was ignorance of the scenario, but now it it can only be
willful
> >disregard, given what they have improved).
> >
> >--
> >MichKa
> >
> >a new book on internationalization in VB at
> >http://www.i18nWithVB.com/
> >
> >"Bill McCarthy" <Bill_McC@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
> >news:3a0a90ef@news.devx.com...
> >> Hi Michka,
> >>
> >> "Michael (michka) Kaplan" <former_mvp@spamfree.trigeminal.nospam.com>
> >wrote
> >> in message news:3a0a0759$1@news.devx.com...
> >> > And someone from MS pointed out to me (based on her days in school
way
> >> back
> >> > when!) that sporks, in trying to be all things to all people, ended
> up
> >> being
> >> > slightly deficient to all.
> >> >
> >> > Maybe Visual Spork DOES make sense? <g>
> >> >
> >>
> >> Ah, but that wouldn't be international aware <g>. Over here, down
under,
> >> those Sporks were actually Splades.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>

Miguel Santos
11-10-2000, 04:37 AM
Call MichKa.EnumerateSteps(AddressOf (vb.vb7), Direction:=vbBack)

I too develop international projects (heck, I live outside US so I guess
everything I do is "international" :) and I am trying to gather all
information. Apart from resource file changes, what are we missing in the
..NET world?

Best Regards,

Miguel Santos

Michael (michka) Kaplan escreveu na mensagem <3a0b6f24@news.devx.com>...
>I agree 100%, and I frankly wish MS would make the effort to make me LESS
>busy instead of more busy by doing things right. Unfortunately, on the
>international front they have taken seven steps foward, and somewhere
>between 3 and 4 steps back (depending on how much they cut). I truly wish
>that they would start treating things with a bit more thought and planning.
>:-(
>
>--
>MichKa
>
>a new book on internationalization in VB at
>http://www.i18nWithVB.com/
>

Miguel Santos
11-10-2000, 09:35 PM
Michael (michka) Kaplan escreveu na mensagem <3a0cb9a5@news.devx.com>...
>At the moment I am trying to change the list of what is in and what is
>out..... eventually I will have to doc it, at the moment I am trying to
>change what needs to be doc'ed. :-)
>
>But keep watching this spot!
>
>--
>MichKa
>
Thanks, I will

Best Regards,

Miguel Santos

Michael \(michka\) Kaplan
11-10-2000, 10:13 PM
At the moment I am trying to change the list of what is in and what is
out..... eventually I will have to doc it, at the moment I am trying to
change what needs to be doc'ed. :-)

But keep watching this spot!

--
MichKa

a new book on internationalization in VB at
http://www.i18nWithVB.com/

"Miguel Santos" <NO_SPAM_duodata@mail.telepac.pt> wrote in message
news:3a0bcf77$1@news.devx.com...
> Call MichKa.EnumerateSteps(AddressOf (vb.vb7), Direction:=vbBack)
>
> I too develop international projects (heck, I live outside US so I guess
> everything I do is "international" :) and I am trying to gather all
> information. Apart from resource file changes, what are we missing in the
> .NET world?
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Miguel Santos
>
> Michael (michka) Kaplan escreveu na mensagem <3a0b6f24@news.devx.com>...
> >I agree 100%, and I frankly wish MS would make the effort to make me LESS
> >busy instead of more busy by doing things right. Unfortunately, on the
> >international front they have taken seven steps foward, and somewhere
> >between 3 and 4 steps back (depending on how much they cut). I truly wish
> >that they would start treating things with a bit more thought and
planning.
> >:-(
> >
> >--
> >MichKa
> >
> >a new book on internationalization in VB at
> >http://www.i18nWithVB.com/
> >
>
>