I'm java programmer laid off and currently seeking for a job

Hi Everyone,
I'm a MS graduate in Information System and later started my working for
a startup company(B2B financial products). I had been working as Software
Engineer for an year in Java technology and was laid off last June. Since
then I'm searching for position in Java, but unsucessful. During this period
I expertised myself in advance java technology. Now I'm planning for career
change to Oracle DBA or .net. Can you please suggest me as to which career
path will be best for me to take?

Thanks in Advance,
Xpess

Java is by no means "over". You're not finding work because EVERYTHING is
down - - not specifically java technology. And you'll have better luck marketing
yourself as an experienced java programmer than an inexperienced Oracle DBA
or dotnet programmer.

So by all means learn whatever technology interests you - - whether that
be J2EE or Oracle or Microsoft, but I think your fastest path to employment
remains in the java arena.

And remember, online job boards provide really lousy odds for job-hunters.
You need to be contacting local companies in person, on the phone or at
the VERY least by physical mail. It's the human-being networking that pays
off best.

Best of Luck!
Elena

"xpess" <xpess@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>Hi Everyone,
>I'm a MS graduate in Information System and later started my working for
>a startup company(B2B financial products). I had been working as Software
>Engineer for an year in Java technology and was laid off last June. Since
>then I'm searching for position in Java, but unsucessful. During this period
>I expertised myself in advance java technology. Now I'm planning for career
>change to Oracle DBA or .net. Can you please suggest me as to which career
>path will be best for me to take?
>
>Thanks in Advance,
>Xpess

I agree with Elena. And to add a little on - How much of the Java platform
do you know? There are many things to learn. A year worth of knowing Java
is small compared to the volume of technologies. If you do have quite a
bit of Java and Java tools knowledge then I would suggest learning the .Net
platform in addition. Not changing paths. It is valuable in that it will
help you see things from a different perspective and will make you more marketable.

Mark

"Elena" <egermano@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>Java is by no means "over". You're not finding work because EVERYTHING
is
>down - - not specifically java technology. And you'll have better luck marketing
>yourself as an experienced java programmer than an inexperienced Oracle
DBA
>or dotnet programmer.
>
>So by all means learn whatever technology interests you - - whether that
>be J2EE or Oracle or Microsoft, but I think your fastest path to employment
>remains in the java arena.
>
>And remember, online job boards provide really lousy odds for job-hunters.
> You need to be contacting local companies in person, on the phone or at
>the VERY least by physical mail. It's the human-being networking that pays
>off best.
>
>Best of Luck!
>Elena
>
>"xpess" <xpess@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>Hi Everyone,
>>I'm a MS graduate in Information System and later started my working for
>>a startup company(B2B financial products). I had been working as Software
>>Engineer for an year in Java technology and was laid off last June. Since
>>then I'm searching for position in Java, but unsucessful. During this period
>>I expertised myself in advance java technology. Now I'm planning for career
>>change to Oracle DBA or .net. Can you please suggest me as to which career
>>path will be best for me to take?
>>
>>Thanks in Advance,
>>Xpess
>

Elena and Mark, I'm very much thankful for ur reply and suggestions. As Mark
asked about knowledge of Java, I have been using Java since my masters i.e.
2000 untill now, but work experience is one a year. My skill sets include
Advance Java(XML,RMI,JDBC,SWING,SERVLETS). The DBA that I've mentioned costs
$1500 bucks, is it worth paying for it. Can you suggest me any places that
allow me to work on projects on Java for free?

Thank you so much in advance,
Xpess


"MarkN" <m@n.com> wrote:
>
>I agree with Elena. And to add a little on - How much of the Java platform
>do you know? There are many things to learn. A year worth of knowing Java
>is small compared to the volume of technologies. If you do have quite a
>bit of Java and Java tools knowledge then I would suggest learning the .Net
>platform in addition. Not changing paths. It is valuable in that it will
>help you see things from a different perspective and will make you more
marketable.
>
>Mark
>
>"Elena" <egermano@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>Java is by no means "over". You're not finding work because EVERYTHING
>is
>>down - - not specifically java technology. And you'll have better luck
marketing
>>yourself as an experienced java programmer than an inexperienced Oracle
>DBA
>>or dotnet programmer.
>>
>>So by all means learn whatever technology interests you - - whether that
>>be J2EE or Oracle or Microsoft, but I think your fastest path to employment
>>remains in the java arena.
>>
>>And remember, online job boards provide really lousy odds for job-hunters.
>> You need to be contacting local companies in person, on the phone or at
>>the VERY least by physical mail. It's the human-being networking that
pays
>>off best.
>>
>>Best of Luck!
>>Elena
>>
>>"xpess" <xpess@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>Hi Everyone,
>>>I'm a MS graduate in Information System and later started my working for
>>>a startup company(B2B financial products). I had been working as Software
>>>Engineer for an year in Java technology and was laid off last June. Since
>>>then I'm searching for position in Java, but unsucessful. During this
period
>>>I expertised myself in advance java technology. Now I'm planning for
career
>>>change to Oracle DBA or .net. Can you please suggest me as to which career
>>>path will be best for me to take?
>>>
>>>Thanks in Advance,
>>>Xpess
>>
>

>>The DBA that I've mentioned costs $1500 bucks, is it worth paying for it.


I take it you've found some training course costing $1500. It depends what
you mean by "worth it". They might certainly provide high-quality education
but I absolutely guarantee you will NOT get a job as an Oracle DBA with a
training certificate and no experience. So if by "worth it" you mean "Will
I get a DBA job paying $70,000?" the answer is NO.

You've said nothing about your financial circumstances. If I'd been out
of work since last June, I'd be in pretty bad shape by now. I wouldn't be
wasting time and precious dollars on a speculative venture like training
for a new technology. I'd be contacting every company around looking for
anything even remotely IT-related including business analysis, help desk
or whatever. Of course, your situation might be completely different so I'm
not criticizing you in any way.

I work in the Microsoft realm so I really don't know much about Java jobs
other than to suggest the open source folks probably could make excellent
use of your skills. You might investigate that arena.

Best of Luck!
Elena


"xpess" <xpess@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Elena and Mark, I'm very much thankful for ur reply and suggestions. As
Mark
>asked about knowledge of Java, I have been using Java since my masters i.e.
>2000 untill now, but work experience is one a year. My skill sets include
>Advance Java(XML,RMI,JDBC,SWING,SERVLETS). The DBA that I've mentioned costs
>$1500 bucks, is it worth paying for it. Can you suggest me any places that
>allow me to work on projects on Java for free?
>
>Thank you so much in advance,
>Xpess
>
>
>"MarkN" <m@n.com> wrote:
>>
>>I agree with Elena. And to add a little on - How much of the Java platform
>>do you know? There are many things to learn. A year worth of knowing
Java
>>is small compared to the volume of technologies. If you do have quite
a
>>bit of Java and Java tools knowledge then I would suggest learning the
.Net
>>platform in addition. Not changing paths. It is valuable in that it will
>>help you see things from a different perspective and will make you more
>marketable.
>>
>>Mark
>>
>>"Elena" <egermano@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>Java is by no means "over". You're not finding work because EVERYTHING
>>is
>>>down - - not specifically java technology. And you'll have better luck
>marketing
>>>yourself as an experienced java programmer than an inexperienced Oracle
>>DBA
>>>or dotnet programmer.
>>>
>>>So by all means learn whatever technology interests you - - whether that
>>>be J2EE or Oracle or Microsoft, but I think your fastest path to employment
>>>remains in the java arena.
>>>
>>>And remember, online job boards provide really lousy odds for job-hunters.
>>> You need to be contacting local companies in person, on the phone or
at
>>>the VERY least by physical mail. It's the human-being networking that
>pays
>>>off best.
>>>
>>>Best of Luck!
>>>Elena
>>>
>>>"xpess" <xpess@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Hi Everyone,
>>>>I'm a MS graduate in Information System and later started my working
for
>>>>a startup company(B2B financial products). I had been working as Software
>>>>Engineer for an year in Java technology and was laid off last June. Since
>>>>then I'm searching for position in Java, but unsucessful. During this
>period
>>>>I expertised myself in advance java technology. Now I'm planning for
>career
>>>>change to Oracle DBA or .net. Can you please suggest me as to which career
>>>>path will be best for me to take?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks in Advance,
>>>>Xpess
>>>
>>
>

For free Java work check out http://sourceforge.net/. Also apache.org. There
are so many places. Many have attached themselves to sourceforge
but also have their own websites. Many haven't and so a little google search
might be in order.

I get news on Oracle DBA jobs and next time I will post the info here, if
I remember to. You can determine if you are qualified.

BTW, I work in both worlds. While there aren't tons of jobs, there are still
jobs available for those skill in the right technologies. I've hedged my
bets by being versed in multiple technologies. With many on the verge of
retirement and the [possible] upswing in the economy the time to prepare
is now. Just don't waste your money on things you can get for free or the
price of a book.

Mark

"Elena" <egermano@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>>The DBA that I've mentioned costs $1500 bucks, is it worth paying for
it.
>
>
>I take it you've found some training course costing $1500. It depends what
>you mean by "worth it". They might certainly provide high-quality education
>but I absolutely guarantee you will NOT get a job as an Oracle DBA with
a
>training certificate and no experience. So if by "worth it" you mean "Will
>I get a DBA job paying $70,000?" the answer is NO.
>
>You've said nothing about your financial circumstances. If I'd been out
>of work since last June, I'd be in pretty bad shape by now. I wouldn't
be
>wasting time and precious dollars on a speculative venture like training
>for a new technology. I'd be contacting every company around looking for
>anything even remotely IT-related including business analysis, help desk
>or whatever. Of course, your situation might be completely different so
I'm
>not criticizing you in any way.
>
>I work in the Microsoft realm so I really don't know much about Java jobs
>other than to suggest the open source folks probably could make excellent
>use of your skills. You might investigate that arena.
>
>Best of Luck!
>Elena
>
>
>"xpess" <xpess@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>Elena and Mark, I'm very much thankful for ur reply and suggestions. As
>Mark
>>asked about knowledge of Java, I have been using Java since my masters
i.e.
>>2000 untill now, but work experience is one a year. My skill sets include
>>Advance Java(XML,RMI,JDBC,SWING,SERVLETS). The DBA that I've mentioned
costs
>>$1500 bucks, is it worth paying for it. Can you suggest me any places that
>>allow me to work on projects on Java for free?
>>
>>Thank you so much in advance,
>>Xpess
>>
>>
>>"MarkN" <m@n.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>I agree with Elena. And to add a little on - How much of the Java platform
>>>do you know? There are many things to learn. A year worth of knowing
>Java
>>>is small compared to the volume of technologies. If you do have quite
>a
>>>bit of Java and Java tools knowledge then I would suggest learning the
>.Net
>>>platform in addition. Not changing paths. It is valuable in that it
will
>>>help you see things from a different perspective and will make you more
>>marketable.
>>>
>>>Mark
>>>
>>>"Elena" <egermano@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Java is by no means "over". You're not finding work because EVERYTHING
>>>is
>>>>down - - not specifically java technology. And you'll have better luck
>>marketing
>>>>yourself as an experienced java programmer than an inexperienced Oracle
>>>DBA
>>>>or dotnet programmer.
>>>>
>>>>So by all means learn whatever technology interests you - - whether that
>>>>be J2EE or Oracle or Microsoft, but I think your fastest path to employment
>>>>remains in the java arena.
>>>>
>>>>And remember, online job boards provide really lousy odds for job-hunters.
>>>> You need to be contacting local companies in person, on the phone or
>at
>>>>the VERY least by physical mail. It's the human-being networking that
>>pays
>>>>off best.
>>>>
>>>>Best of Luck!
>>>>Elena
>>>>
>>>>"xpess" <xpess@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Hi Everyone,
>>>>>I'm a MS graduate in Information System and later started my working
>for
>>>>>a startup company(B2B financial products). I had been working as Software
>>>>>Engineer for an year in Java technology and was laid off last June.
Since
>>>>>then I'm searching for position in Java, but unsucessful. During this
>>period
>>>>>I expertised myself in advance java technology. Now I'm planning for
>>career
>>>>>change to Oracle DBA or .net. Can you please suggest me as to which
career
>>>>>path will be best for me to take?
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks in Advance,
>>>>>Xpess
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

Here is the Oracle info I promised. You can contact him and get on his list.
I get sent openings all the time. I would include the email address but
I don't want him to get spammed. I'm not connected in anyway with this (other
than being on their list) and I won't post this again.

Bill Sargent
ERP SOLUTIONS INC
45 Whippoorwill Drive
Palm Coast, Fl. 32164
(386) 447-5820



"MarkN" <m@n.com> wrote:
>
>For free Java work check out http://sourceforge.net/. Also apache.org.
There
>are so many places. Many have attached themselves to sourceforge
>but also have their own websites. Many haven't and so a little google search
>might be in order.
>
>I get news on Oracle DBA jobs and next time I will post the info here, if
>I remember to. You can determine if you are qualified.
>
>BTW, I work in both worlds. While there aren't tons of jobs, there are
still
>jobs available for those skill in the right technologies. I've hedged my
>bets by being versed in multiple technologies. With many on the verge of
>retirement and the [possible] upswing in the economy the time to prepare
>is now. Just don't waste your money on things you can get for free or the
>price of a book.
>
>Mark
>
>"Elena" <egermano@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>>>The DBA that I've mentioned costs $1500 bucks, is it worth paying for
>it.
>>
>>
>>I take it you've found some training course costing $1500. It depends
what
>>you mean by "worth it". They might certainly provide high-quality education
>>but I absolutely guarantee you will NOT get a job as an Oracle DBA with
>a
>>training certificate and no experience. So if by "worth it" you mean "Will
>>I get a DBA job paying $70,000?" the answer is NO.
>>
>>You've said nothing about your financial circumstances. If I'd been out
>>of work since last June, I'd be in pretty bad shape by now. I wouldn't
>be
>>wasting time and precious dollars on a speculative venture like training
>>for a new technology. I'd be contacting every company around looking for
>>anything even remotely IT-related including business analysis, help desk
>>or whatever. Of course, your situation might be completely different so
>I'm
>>not criticizing you in any way.
>>
>>I work in the Microsoft realm so I really don't know much about Java jobs
>>other than to suggest the open source folks probably could make excellent
>>use of your skills. You might investigate that arena.
>>
>>Best of Luck!
>>Elena
>>
>>
>>"xpess" <xpess@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Elena and Mark, I'm very much thankful for ur reply and suggestions. As
>>Mark
>>>asked about knowledge of Java, I have been using Java since my masters
>i.e.
>>>2000 untill now, but work experience is one a year. My skill sets include
>>>Advance Java(XML,RMI,JDBC,SWING,SERVLETS). The DBA that I've mentioned
>costs
>>>$1500 bucks, is it worth paying for it. Can you suggest me any places
that
>>>allow me to work on projects on Java for free?
>>>
>>>Thank you so much in advance,
>>>Xpess
>>>
>>>
>>>"MarkN" <m@n.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>I agree with Elena. And to add a little on - How much of the Java platform
>>>>do you know? There are many things to learn. A year worth of knowing
>>Java
>>>>is small compared to the volume of technologies. If you do have quite
>>a
>>>>bit of Java and Java tools knowledge then I would suggest learning the
>>.Net
>>>>platform in addition. Not changing paths. It is valuable in that it
>will
>>>>help you see things from a different perspective and will make you more
>>>marketable.
>>>>
>>>>Mark
>>>>
>>>>"Elena" <egermano@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Java is by no means "over". You're not finding work because EVERYTHING
>>>>is
>>>>>down - - not specifically java technology. And you'll have better luck
>>>marketing
>>>>>yourself as an experienced java programmer than an inexperienced Oracle
>>>>DBA
>>>>>or dotnet programmer.
>>>>>
>>>>>So by all means learn whatever technology interests you - - whether
that
>>>>>be J2EE or Oracle or Microsoft, but I think your fastest path to employment
>>>>>remains in the java arena.
>>>>>
>>>>>And remember, online job boards provide really lousy odds for job-hunters.
>>>>> You need to be contacting local companies in person, on the phone or
>>at
>>>>>the VERY least by physical mail. It's the human-being networking that
>>>pays
>>>>>off best.
>>>>>
>>>>>Best of Luck!
>>>>>Elena
>>>>>
>>>>>"xpess" <xpess@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi Everyone,
>>>>>>I'm a MS graduate in Information System and later started my working
>>for
>>>>>>a startup company(B2B financial products). I had been working as Software
>>>>>>Engineer for an year in Java technology and was laid off last June.
>Since
>>>>>>then I'm searching for position in Java, but unsucessful. During this
>>>period
>>>>>>I expertised myself in advance java technology. Now I'm planning for
>>>career
>>>>>>change to Oracle DBA or .net. Can you please suggest me as to which
>career
>>>>>>path will be best for me to take?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks in Advance,
>>>>>>Xpess
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

Thank you Mark for ur time and consideration, I researched the java free website
and yet to get reply from any of the project admin to include me in their
group. Regarding Oracle, what list do I have to mention the person for him
to include in his list. Is he head hunter or ...?

Please reply me at earliest,
Xpess

"MarkN" <m@n.com> wrote:
>
>Here is the Oracle info I promised. You can contact him and get on his
list.
> I get sent openings all the time. I would include the email address but
>I don't want him to get spammed. I'm not connected in anyway with this
(other
>than being on their list) and I won't post this again.
>
>Bill Sargent
>ERP SOLUTIONS INC
>45 Whippoorwill Drive
>Palm Coast, Fl. 32164
>(386) 447-5820
>
>
>
>"MarkN" <m@n.com> wrote:
>>
>>For free Java work check out http://sourceforge.net/. Also apache.org.
> There
>>are so many places. Many have attached themselves to sourceforge
>>but also have their own websites. Many haven't and so a little google
search
>>might be in order.
>>
>>I get news on Oracle DBA jobs and next time I will post the info here,
if
>>I remember to. You can determine if you are qualified.
>>
>>BTW, I work in both worlds. While there aren't tons of jobs, there are
>still
>>jobs available for those skill in the right technologies. I've hedged
my
>>bets by being versed in multiple technologies. With many on the verge
of
>>retirement and the [possible] upswing in the economy the time to prepare
>>is now. Just don't waste your money on things you can get for free or
the
>>price of a book.
>>
>>Mark
>>
>>"Elena" <egermano@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>The DBA that I've mentioned costs $1500 bucks, is it worth paying for
>>it.
>>>
>>>
>>>I take it you've found some training course costing $1500. It depends
>what
>>>you mean by "worth it". They might certainly provide high-quality education
>>>but I absolutely guarantee you will NOT get a job as an Oracle DBA with
>>a
>>>training certificate and no experience. So if by "worth it" you mean
"Will
>>>I get a DBA job paying $70,000?" the answer is NO.
>>>
>>>You've said nothing about your financial circumstances. If I'd been out
>>>of work since last June, I'd be in pretty bad shape by now. I wouldn't
>>be
>>>wasting time and precious dollars on a speculative venture like training
>>>for a new technology. I'd be contacting every company around looking for
>>>anything even remotely IT-related including business analysis, help desk
>>>or whatever. Of course, your situation might be completely different so
>>I'm
>>>not criticizing you in any way.
>>>
>>>I work in the Microsoft realm so I really don't know much about Java jobs
>>>other than to suggest the open source folks probably could make excellent
>>>use of your skills. You might investigate that arena.
>>>
>>>Best of Luck!
>>>Elena
>>>
>>>
>>>"xpess" <xpess@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Elena and Mark, I'm very much thankful for ur reply and suggestions.
As
>>>Mark
>>>>asked about knowledge of Java, I have been using Java since my masters
>>i.e.
>>>>2000 untill now, but work experience is one a year. My skill sets include
>>>>Advance Java(XML,RMI,JDBC,SWING,SERVLETS). The DBA that I've mentioned
>>costs
>>>>$1500 bucks, is it worth paying for it. Can you suggest me any places
>that
>>>>allow me to work on projects on Java for free?
>>>>
>>>>Thank you so much in advance,
>>>>Xpess
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"MarkN" <m@n.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>I agree with Elena. And to add a little on - How much of the Java
platform
>>>>>do you know? There are many things to learn. A year worth of knowing
>>>Java
>>>>>is small compared to the volume of technologies. If you do have quite
>>>a
>>>>>bit of Java and Java tools knowledge then I would suggest learning the
>>>.Net
>>>>>platform in addition. Not changing paths. It is valuable in that it
>>will
>>>>>help you see things from a different perspective and will make you more
>>>>marketable.
>>>>>
>>>>>Mark
>>>>>
>>>>>"Elena" <egermano@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Java is by no means "over". You're not finding work because EVERYTHING
>>>>>is
>>>>>>down - - not specifically java technology. And you'll have better luck
>>>>marketing
>>>>>>yourself as an experienced java programmer than an inexperienced Oracle
>>>>>DBA
>>>>>>or dotnet programmer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So by all means learn whatever technology interests you - - whether
>that
>>>>>>be J2EE or Oracle or Microsoft, but I think your fastest path to employment
>>>>>>remains in the java arena.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And remember, online job boards provide really lousy odds for job-hunters.
>>>>>> You need to be contacting local companies in person, on the phone
or
>>>at
>>>>>>the VERY least by physical mail. It's the human-being networking that
>>>>pays
>>>>>>off best.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Best of Luck!
>>>>>>Elena
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"xpess" <xpess@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi Everyone,
>>>>>>>I'm a MS graduate in Information System and later started my working
>>>for
>>>>>>>a startup company(B2B financial products). I had been working as Software
>>>>>>>Engineer for an year in Java technology and was laid off last June.
>>Since
>>>>>>>then I'm searching for position in Java, but unsucessful. During this
>>>>period
>>>>>>>I expertised myself in advance java technology. Now I'm planning
for
>>>>career
>>>>>>>change to Oracle DBA or .net. Can you please suggest me as to which
>>career
>>>>>>>path will be best for me to take?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thanks in Advance,
>>>>>>>Xpess
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

"Mark" <m@n.com> wrote:
>
>Thank you Mark for ur time and consideration, I researched the java free
website
>and yet to get reply from any of the project admin to include me in their
>group. Regarding Oracle, what list do I have to mention the person for him
>to include in his list. Is he head hunter or ...?
>
>Please reply me at earliest,
>Xpess
>
>"MarkN" <m@n.com> wrote:
>>
>>Here is the Oracle info I promised. You can contact him and get on his
>list.
>> I get sent openings all the time. I would include the email address but
>>I don't want him to get spammed. I'm not connected in anyway with this
>(other
>>than being on their list) and I won't post this again.
>>
>>Bill Sargent
>>ERP SOLUTIONS INC
>>45 Whippoorwill Drive
>>Palm Coast, Fl. 32164
>>(386) 447-5820
>>
>>
>>
>>"MarkN" <m@n.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>For free Java work check out http://sourceforge.net/. Also apache.org.
>> There
>>>are so many places. Many have attached themselves to sourceforge
>>>but also have their own websites. Many haven't and so a little google
>search
>>>might be in order.
>>>
>>>I get news on Oracle DBA jobs and next time I will post the info here,
>if
>>>I remember to. You can determine if you are qualified.
>>>
>>>BTW, I work in both worlds. While there aren't tons of jobs, there are
>>still
>>>jobs available for those skill in the right technologies. I've hedged
>my
>>>bets by being versed in multiple technologies. With many on the verge
>of
>>>retirement and the [possible] upswing in the economy the time to prepare
>>>is now. Just don't waste your money on things you can get for free or
>the
>>>price of a book.
>>>
>>>Mark
>>>
>>>"Elena" <egermano@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>The DBA that I've mentioned costs $1500 bucks, is it worth paying for
>>>it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I take it you've found some training course costing $1500. It depends
>>what
>>>>you mean by "worth it". They might certainly provide high-quality education
>>>>but I absolutely guarantee you will NOT get a job as an Oracle DBA with
>>>a
>>>>training certificate and no experience. So if by "worth it" you mean
>"Will
>>>>I get a DBA job paying $70,000?" the answer is NO.
>>>>
>>>>You've said nothing about your financial circumstances. If I'd been
out
>>>>of work since last June, I'd be in pretty bad shape by now. I wouldn't
>>>be
>>>>wasting time and precious dollars on a speculative venture like training
>>>>for a new technology. I'd be contacting every company around looking
for
>>>>anything even remotely IT-related including business analysis, help desk
>>>>or whatever. Of course, your situation might be completely different
so
>>>I'm
>>>>not criticizing you in any way.
>>>>
>>>>I work in the Microsoft realm so I really don't know much about Java
jobs
>>>>other than to suggest the open source folks probably could make excellent
>>>>use of your skills. You might investigate that arena.
>>>>
>>>>Best of Luck!
>>>>Elena
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"xpess" <xpess@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Elena and Mark, I'm very much thankful for ur reply and suggestions.
>As
>>>>Mark
>>>>>asked about knowledge of Java, I have been using Java since my masters
>>>i.e.
>>>>>2000 untill now, but work experience is one a year. My skill sets include
>>>>>Advance Java(XML,RMI,JDBC,SWING,SERVLETS). The DBA that I've mentioned
>>>costs
>>>>>$1500 bucks, is it worth paying for it. Can you suggest me any places
>>that
>>>>>allow me to work on projects on Java for free?
>>>>>
>>>>>Thank you so much in advance,
>>>>>Xpess
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"MarkN" <m@n.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I agree with Elena. And to add a little on - How much of the Java
>platform
>>>>>>do you know? There are many things to learn. A year worth of knowing
>>>>Java
>>>>>>is small compared to the volume of technologies. If you do have quite
>>>>a
>>>>>>bit of Java and Java tools knowledge then I would suggest learning
the
>>>>.Net
>>>>>>platform in addition. Not changing paths. It is valuable in that
it
>>>will
>>>>>>help you see things from a different perspective and will make you
more
>>>>>marketable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Mark
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Elena" <egermano@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Java is by no means "over". You're not finding work because EVERYTHING
>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>down - - not specifically java technology. And you'll have better
luck
>>>>>marketing
>>>>>>>yourself as an experienced java programmer than an inexperienced Oracle
>>>>>>DBA
>>>>>>>or dotnet programmer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>So by all means learn whatever technology interests you - - whether
>>that
>>>>>>>be J2EE or Oracle or Microsoft, but I think your fastest path to employment
>>>>>>>remains in the java arena.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>And remember, online job boards provide really lousy odds for job-hunters.
>>>>>>> You need to be contacting local companies in person, on the phone
>or
>>>>at
>>>>>>>the VERY least by physical mail. It's the human-being networking
that
>>>>>pays
>>>>>>>off best.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Best of Luck!
>>>>>>>Elena
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"xpess" <xpess@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hi Everyone,
>>>>>>>>I'm a MS graduate in Information System and later started my working
>>>>for
>>>>>>>>a startup company(B2B financial products). I had been working as
Software
>>>>>>>>Engineer for an year in Java technology and was laid off last June.
>>>Since
>>>>>>>>then I'm searching for position in Java, but unsucessful. During
this
>>>>>period
>>>>>>>>I expertised myself in advance java technology. Now I'm planning
>for
>>>>>career
>>>>>>>>change to Oracle DBA or .net. Can you please suggest me as to which
>>>career
>>>>>>>>path will be best for me to take?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Thanks in Advance,
>>>>>>>>Xpess
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

A - Give them a chance. They are working for free. Some may (probably do)
have other jobs.

B - The Oracle DBA list


"Mark" <m@n.com> wrote:
>
>Thank you Mark for ur time and consideration, I researched the java free
website
>and yet to get reply from any of the project admin to include me in their
>group. Regarding Oracle, what list do I have to mention the person for him
>to include in his list. Is he head hunter or ...?
>
>Please reply me at earliest,
>Xpess
>
>"MarkN" <m@n.com> wrote:
>>
>>Here is the Oracle info I promised. You can contact him and get on his
>list.
>> I get sent openings all the time. I would include the email address but
>>I don't want him to get spammed. I'm not connected in anyway with this
>(other
>>than being on their list) and I won't post this again.
>>
>>Bill Sargent
>>ERP SOLUTIONS INC
>>45 Whippoorwill Drive
>>Palm Coast, Fl. 32164
>>(386) 447-5820
>>
>>
>>
>>"MarkN" <m@n.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>For free Java work check out http://sourceforge.net/. Also apache.org.
>> There
>>>are so many places. Many have attached themselves to sourceforge
>>>but also have their own websites. Many haven't and so a little google
>search
>>>might be in order.
>>>
>>>I get news on Oracle DBA jobs and next time I will post the info here,
>if
>>>I remember to. You can determine if you are qualified.
>>>
>>>BTW, I work in both worlds. While there aren't tons of jobs, there are
>>still
>>>jobs available for those skill in the right technologies. I've hedged
>my
>>>bets by being versed in multiple technologies. With many on the verge
>of
>>>retirement and the [possible] upswing in the economy the time to prepare
>>>is now. Just don't waste your money on things you can get for free or
>the
>>>price of a book.
>>>
>>>Mark
>>>
>>>"Elena" <egermano@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>The DBA that I've mentioned costs $1500 bucks, is it worth paying for
>>>it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I take it you've found some training course costing $1500. It depends
>>what
>>>>you mean by "worth it". They might certainly provide high-quality education
>>>>but I absolutely guarantee you will NOT get a job as an Oracle DBA with
>>>a
>>>>training certificate and no experience. So if by "worth it" you mean
>"Will
>>>>I get a DBA job paying $70,000?" the answer is NO.
>>>>
>>>>You've said nothing about your financial circumstances. If I'd been
out
>>>>of work since last June, I'd be in pretty bad shape by now. I wouldn't
>>>be
>>>>wasting time and precious dollars on a speculative venture like training
>>>>for a new technology. I'd be contacting every company around looking
for
>>>>anything even remotely IT-related including business analysis, help desk
>>>>or whatever. Of course, your situation might be completely different
so
>>>I'm
>>>>not criticizing you in any way.
>>>>
>>>>I work in the Microsoft realm so I really don't know much about Java
jobs
>>>>other than to suggest the open source folks probably could make excellent
>>>>use of your skills. You might investigate that arena.
>>>>
>>>>Best of Luck!
>>>>Elena
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"xpess" <xpess@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Elena and Mark, I'm very much thankful for ur reply and suggestions.
>As
>>>>Mark
>>>>>asked about knowledge of Java, I have been using Java since my masters
>>>i.e.
>>>>>2000 untill now, but work experience is one a year. My skill sets include
>>>>>Advance Java(XML,RMI,JDBC,SWING,SERVLETS). The DBA that I've mentioned
>>>costs
>>>>>$1500 bucks, is it worth paying for it. Can you suggest me any places
>>that
>>>>>allow me to work on projects on Java for free?
>>>>>
>>>>>Thank you so much in advance,
>>>>>Xpess
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"MarkN" <m@n.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I agree with Elena. And to add a little on - How much of the Java
>platform
>>>>>>do you know? There are many things to learn. A year worth of knowing
>>>>Java
>>>>>>is small compared to the volume of technologies. If you do have quite
>>>>a
>>>>>>bit of Java and Java tools knowledge then I would suggest learning
the
>>>>.Net
>>>>>>platform in addition. Not changing paths. It is valuable in that
it
>>>will
>>>>>>help you see things from a different perspective and will make you
more
>>>>>marketable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Mark
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Elena" <egermano@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Java is by no means "over". You're not finding work because EVERYTHING
>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>down - - not specifically java technology. And you'll have better
luck
>>>>>marketing
>>>>>>>yourself as an experienced java programmer than an inexperienced Oracle
>>>>>>DBA
>>>>>>>or dotnet programmer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>So by all means learn whatever technology interests you - - whether
>>that
>>>>>>>be J2EE or Oracle or Microsoft, but I think your fastest path to employment
>>>>>>>remains in the java arena.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>And remember, online job boards provide really lousy odds for job-hunters.
>>>>>>> You need to be contacting local companies in person, on the phone
>or
>>>>at
>>>>>>>the VERY least by physical mail. It's the human-being networking
that
>>>>>pays
>>>>>>>off best.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Best of Luck!
>>>>>>>Elena
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"xpess" <xpess@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hi Everyone,
>>>>>>>>I'm a MS graduate in Information System and later started my working
>>>>for
>>>>>>>>a startup company(B2B financial products). I had been working as
Software
>>>>>>>>Engineer for an year in Java technology and was laid off last June.
>>>Since
>>>>>>>>then I'm searching for position in Java, but unsucessful. During
this
>>>>>period
>>>>>>>>I expertised myself in advance java technology. Now I'm planning
>for
>>>>>career
>>>>>>>>change to Oracle DBA or .net. Can you please suggest me as to which
>>>career
>>>>>>>>path will be best for me to take?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Thanks in Advance,
>>>>>>>>Xpess
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>