Re: Best Java IDE to go for

I have to disagree. It largely depends on what type of applications you are
developing. If you need a full-featured GUI Designer, then go with Visual
Cafe, or J++. The downside of those, which is the up side for Kawa, is that
they sometimes require use of proprietary wrapper classes around the GUI
components. In fact, you cannot use straight AWT with J++ (or if you can,
it's been obfuscated in typical Microsoft fashion). The only advantage J++
provides is it's integration with the rest of the Visual Studio Development
tools, and it's ability to compile native Win32 apps which do not require
any extra .dll's. Visual Cafe will compile native apps, but they require
a .dll to be installed with it. You can use AWT and Swing with Visual Cafe,
and are not required to use wrapper classes unless you want to (some of them
have rather useful extensions to AWT/Swing). For our organization, we use
Visual Cafe, after careful consideration of the available IDEs (JBuilder,
J++, Visual Age, Visual Cafe, Oracle JDeveloper, Sun Java Workshop). That
is because our primary concern was rapid development of cross-platform apps
and applets which access Microsoft SQL Servers. In short, I disagree with
Jason below, and make my list this way. BTW, for enterprise development,
I wouldn't consider Kawa... unless you're trying to cost your company time
and money, use Visual Cafe or J++.

1. LEARN TO USE THE COMMAND-LINE TOOLS FROM SUN!!!
1. Symantec Visual Cafe
2. Microsoft J++ (ONLY if you're developing Windows native apps)
3. Kawa 3.0 (Really not suitable for enterprise environment)
4. Sun Java Workshop (with jForge for GUI design)

Keep in mind that it really, really depends on what you're doing with Java.
The various IDEs can be worth more or less depending on your application.
I also find that using the IDE to produce your code, and then using the javac
compiler will help identify probable areas of incompatibility with the 100%
Pure Java, and seems to produce clean java bytecode.

"dale" <dalea@rx.com> wrote:
>
>no,no,no
>
>For the enterprise:
>1. Kawa 3.0
>
>"Jason Cono" <jason@networldexchange.com> wrote:
>>
>>IMHO:
>>
>>1. Microsoft J++
>>2. Inprise JBuilder 3
>>4. Sun NetBeans
>>4. Symantec Cafe
>>5. VisualAge
>>
>>
>>
>>"shailaza" <shaila@cavendish.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>Hello Java Experts..
>>>
>>>Can anyone give me the comparison study for the best available JAVA IDE
>>in
>>>the market..
>>>
>>>Microsoft J++
>>>VisualAge
>>>Symantec Cafe
>>>and etc..
>>>
>>>Thanks
>>>Shailaza
>>
>

"Dan Adamson" <dna_man@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>I have to disagree. It largely depends on what type of applications you
are
>developing. If you need a full-featured GUI Designer, then go with Visual
>Cafe, or J++. The downside of those, which is the up side for Kawa, is that
>they sometimes require use of proprietary wrapper classes around the GUI
>components. In fact, you cannot use straight AWT with J++ (or if you can,
>it's been obfuscated in typical Microsoft fashion). The only advantage J++
>provides is it's integration with the rest of the Visual Studio Development
>tools, and it's ability to compile native Win32 apps which do not require
>any extra .dll's. Visual Cafe will compile native apps, but they require
>a .dll to be installed with it. You can use AWT and Swing with Visual Cafe,
>and are not required to use wrapper classes unless you want to (some of
them
>have rather useful extensions to AWT/Swing). For our organization, we use
>Visual Cafe, after careful consideration of the available IDEs (JBuilder,
>J++, Visual Age, Visual Cafe, Oracle JDeveloper, Sun Java Workshop). That
>is because our primary concern was rapid development of cross-platform apps
>and applets which access Microsoft SQL Servers. In short, I disagree with
>Jason below, and make my list this way. BTW, for enterprise development,
>I wouldn't consider Kawa... unless you're trying to cost your company time
>and money, use Visual Cafe or J++.
>
>1. LEARN TO USE THE COMMAND-LINE TOOLS FROM SUN!!!
>1. Symantec Visual Cafe
>2. Microsoft J++ (ONLY if you're developing Windows native apps)
>3. Kawa 3.0 (Really not suitable for enterprise environment)
>4. Sun Java Workshop (with jForge for GUI design)
>
>Keep in mind that it really, really depends on what you're doing with Java.
>The various IDEs can be worth more or less depending on your application.
>I also find that using the IDE to produce your code, and then using the
javac
>compiler will help identify probable areas of incompatibility with the 100%
>Pure Java, and seems to produce clean java bytecode.
>
>"dale" <dalea@rx.com> wrote:
>>
>>no,no,no
>>
>>For the enterprise:
>>1. Kawa 3.0
>>
>>"Jason Cono" <jason@networldexchange.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>IMHO:
>>>
>>>1. Microsoft J++
>>>2. Inprise JBuilder 3
>>>4. Sun NetBeans
>>>4. Symantec Cafe
>>>5. VisualAge
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"shailaza" <shaila@cavendish.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Hello Java Experts..
>>>>
>>>>Can anyone give me the comparison study for the best available JAVA IDE
>>>in
>>>>the market..
>>>>
>>>>Microsoft J++
>>>>VisualAge
>>>>Symantec Cafe
>>>>and etc..
>>>>
>>>>Thanks
>>>>Shailaza
>>>
>>
>
I have to agree with one of the writers when he said find out what you need
to do first. For my use I am using Kawa 3.5 but I am not doing any real
enterprise work. I find Kawa suits my needs and it is extremely fast with
not a lot og GUI overhead. Again, I agree with the writer when he comments
on recompling the code with the JDK for pure java. One thing I am happy
to tell you is I have noticed that compiling with Kawa and the JDK I get
the same messages as in the Kawa status window as I do on the JDK command
line. Final note, it seems picking an IDE can be more difficult than actually
learning Java itself. Maybe a good idea is to try and download trial versions
of IDE's and see what is best for your requirements. That is how I found
Kawa. I hope this helps.

Regards
JAB

"Dan Adamson" <dna_man@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>I have to disagree. It largely depends on what type of applications you
are
>developing. If you need a full-featured GUI Designer, then go with Visual
>Cafe, or J++. The downside of those, which is the up side for Kawa, is that
>they sometimes require use of proprietary wrapper classes around the GUI
>components. In fact, you cannot use straight AWT with J++ (or if you can,
>it's been obfuscated in typical Microsoft fashion). The only advantage J++
>provides is it's integration with the rest of the Visual Studio Development
>tools, and it's ability to compile native Win32 apps which do not require
>any extra .dll's. Visual Cafe will compile native apps, but they require
>a .dll to be installed with it. You can use AWT and Swing with Visual Cafe,
>and are not required to use wrapper classes unless you want to (some of
them
>have rather useful extensions to AWT/Swing). For our organization, we use
>Visual Cafe, after careful consideration of the available IDEs (JBuilder,
>J++, Visual Age, Visual Cafe, Oracle JDeveloper, Sun Java Workshop). That
>is because our primary concern was rapid development of cross-platform apps
>and applets which access Microsoft SQL Servers. In short, I disagree with
>Jason below, and make my list this way. BTW, for enterprise development,
>I wouldn't consider Kawa... unless you're trying to cost your company time
>and money, use Visual Cafe or J++.
>
>1. LEARN TO USE THE COMMAND-LINE TOOLS FROM SUN!!!
>1. Symantec Visual Cafe
>2. Microsoft J++ (ONLY if you're developing Windows native apps)
>3. Kawa 3.0 (Really not suitable for enterprise environment)
>4. Sun Java Workshop (with jForge for GUI design)
>
>Keep in mind that it really, really depends on what you're doing with Java.
>The various IDEs can be worth more or less depending on your application.
>I also find that using the IDE to produce your code, and then using the
javac
>compiler will help identify probable areas of incompatibility with the 100%
>Pure Java, and seems to produce clean java bytecode.
>
>"dale" <dalea@rx.com> wrote:
>>
>>no,no,no
>>
>>For the enterprise:
>>1. Kawa 3.0
>>
>>"Jason Cono" <jason@networldexchange.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>IMHO:
>>>
>>>1. Microsoft J++
>>>2. Inprise JBuilder 3
>>>4. Sun NetBeans
>>>4. Symantec Cafe
>>>5. VisualAge
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"shailaza" <shaila@cavendish.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Hello Java Experts..
>>>>
>>>>Can anyone give me the comparison study for the best available JAVA IDE
>>>in
>>>>the market..
>>>>
>>>>Microsoft J++
>>>>VisualAge
>>>>Symantec Cafe
>>>>and etc..
>>>>
>>>>Thanks
>>>>Shailaza
>>>
>>
>
I have to agree with one of the writers when he said find out what you need
to do first. For my use I am using Kawa 3.5 but I am not doing any real
enterprise work. I find Kawa suits my needs and it is extremely fast with
not a lot og GUI overhead. Again, I agree with the writer when he comments
on recompling the code with the JDK for pure java. One thing I am happy
to tell you is I have noticed that compiling with Kawa and the JDK I get
the same messages as in the Kawa status window as I do on the JDK command
line. It appears picking an IDE can be more difficult than actually learning
Java itself. Maybe a good idea is to try and download trial versions of
IDE's and see what is best for your requirements. That is how I found Kawa.
I hope this helps.

Final note, Please not J++. After all it is Microsoft, and.. well that says
it all.

Regards
JAB

"shailaza" <shaila@cavendish.co.uk> wrote:
>
>Hello Java Experts..
>
>Can anyone give me the comparison study for the best available JAVA IDE
in
>the market..
>
>Microsoft J++
>VisualAge
>Symantec Cafe
>and etc..
>
>Thanks
>Shailaza


Check out this article Created by a third party software evaluation company
regarding the Sybase Enterprise solution.

http://www.sybase.com/products/powerj/1611java.html

Hi shailaza,
In my view the best is VisualAge followed by JBuilder, even forte
is good.

If u need comparision visit,

http://www.sys-con.com/java/index2.html

Cheers
syed zulfiqar


Cheers
syed zulfiqar

"JIB" <dands17@aol.com> wrote:
>
>"shailaza" <shaila@cavendish.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>Hello Java Experts..
>>
>>Can anyone give me the comparison study for the best available JAVA IDE
>in
>>the market..
>>
>>Microsoft J++
>>VisualAge
>>Symantec Cafe
>>and etc..
>>
>>Thanks
>>Shailaza
>
>
>Check out this article Created by a third party software evaluation company
>regarding the Sybase Enterprise solution.
>
>http://www.sybase.com/products/powerj/1611java.html
>

shailaza wrote:

> Hello Java Experts..
>
> Can anyone give me the comparison study for the best available JAVA IDE in
> the market..
>
> Microsoft J++
> VisualAge
> Symantec Cafe
> and etc..
>
> Thanks
> Shailaza

If you want to just an IDE that just wraps around the standard jdk, try Kawa
from tek-tools


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Try **** Chase's JavaEditor. It is free to download.
It allows you to compile java Programmes from IDE and you can launch a borwser
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Vijayan Sampath <vijayan@aptplexus.com> wrote:
>shailaza wrote:
>
>> Hello Java Experts..
>>
>> Can anyone give me the comparison study for the best available JAVA IDE
in
>> the market..
>>
>> Microsoft J++
>> VisualAge
>> Symantec Cafe
>> and etc..
>>
>> Thanks
>> Shailaza
>
>If you want to just an IDE that just wraps around the standard jdk, try
Kawa
>from tek-tools
>
>
>--
>To understand recursion, we must first understand recursion.
>
>

If you have enough memory (RAM: 128 to 256) on your machine you can look at
JBuilder 4. They have a foundation version which is free. Some of its features
are :-

1. Fast compilation
2. Best Debugger
3. Open Tools.
4. Very User friendly IDE
5. Supports 4 different Key bindings.
6. Integrated context sensitive help.

try it, its free.