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  1. #1
    Joey Guest

    VB On-Line certification tests


    I am wondering what VB developers and/or hiring managers in companies thing
    of the On-Line certification tests for Visual Basic. One very popular site
    is brainbench.com. Are these tests credible? Are they a good judge if you
    are a good VB developer? I have trouble thinking that they are. They only
    test random syntax, and do not really test logic. The closest they get to
    testing logic is trying to figure out the result of a loop. If you don't
    remember one particular item of syntax (which, by the way, if you were actually
    coding in the VB environment, you could use on-line help to find out the
    answer), you don't get credit for that question. Any thoughts or comments
    would be appreciated.

  2. #2
    Kathleen Dollard-Joeris Guest

    Re: VB On-Line certification tests

    Joey,

    I don't think they would be of much value, but it is hard to say that they
    are of zero value for a junior developer. It is frustrating when people
    trying to hire find out that people claiming VB skills actually know almost
    nothing and think they can just fake their way through both the interview
    and the job.

    And if you can't use the tools, I think it is worthless. I will admit that I
    still go to the on-line help half the time to remember which parameter comes
    first in InStr, and I have been doing this since we were tapping out code on
    stalactites in caves.

    I would suggest a portfolio instead. Not more than 10 pages of code, well
    written without excessive comments. I think that is a better basis for an
    interview.

    --
    Kathleen
    (MS-MVP)
    Reply in the newsgroup so everyone can benefit
    --



  3. #3
    Eric D. Burdo Guest

    Re: VB On-Line certification tests

    Unfortunately (at least where I work) you get paid more for being certified than
    non-certified.

    Being certified does not mean you are a competent programmer. I means you know how to
    take a crash course and pass a test. The people in question where I work who are
    certified are not the better programmers. Neither are the ones with the 4+ years of
    college. Experience is what counts.

    I agree with Kathleen... work on a portfolio and use that in your interviews.

    --

    Eric D. Burdo, Red-Leif International
    VB Programmer and Consultant
    <http://www.redleif.com/vb>

    *** Please reply to the newsgroup so all can benefit. ***


    "Joey" <jci@enro.com> wrote in message news:3a6bb5a5@news.devx.com...
    >
    > I am wondering what VB developers and/or hiring managers in companies thing
    > of the On-Line certification tests for Visual Basic. One very popular site
    > is brainbench.com. Are these tests credible? Are they a good judge if you
    > are a good VB developer? I have trouble thinking that they are. They only
    > test random syntax, and do not really test logic. The closest they get to
    > testing logic is trying to figure out the result of a loop. If you don't
    > remember one particular item of syntax (which, by the way, if you were actually
    > coding in the VB environment, you could use on-line help to find out the
    > answer), you don't get credit for that question. Any thoughts or comments
    > would be appreciated.




  4. #4
    Kathleen Dollard-Joeris Guest

    Re: VB On-Line certification tests

    Eric,

    Does your company pay more for on-line certification tests such as
    BrainBench? I find that surprising, while I find some incentive for a MSCD
    reasonable since that is a commitment and a certification from MS (it still
    leaves out the important stuff about how good a developer you are).

    --
    Kathleen
    (MS-MVP)
    Reply in the newsgroup so everyone can benefit
    --



  5. #5
    Eric D. Burdo Guest

    Re: VB On-Line certification tests

    <rant>
    The major beef here with certification is that the company keeps changing it standard on
    employees. First they did not care about schooling, they wanted experience. Then they
    wanted 2yr degree's minimum... now they are pushing for 4yr degrees. The problem is, the
    newer people that have been hired (and being paid close to what the older folks are
    getting paid) have absolutely no clue on much of anything to do with programming. Yet
    they all have 2-4yr degrees, Microsoft certification, and not a lick of experience.
    </rant>

    Well, enough said... Maybe I will just bite the bullet and go get my MSCD.
    --

    Eric D. Burdo, Red-Leif International
    VB Programmer and Consultant
    <http://www.redleif.com/vb>

    *** Please reply to the newsgroup so all can benefit. ***


    "Kathleen Dollard-Joeris" <kjoeris@noemailplease.com> wrote in message
    news:3a76cb54@news.devx.com...
    > Eric,
    >
    > Does your company pay more for on-line certification tests such as
    > BrainBench? I find that surprising, while I find some incentive for a MSCD
    > reasonable since that is a commitment and a certification from MS (it still
    > leaves out the important stuff about how good a developer you are).
    >
    > --
    > Kathleen
    > (MS-MVP)
    > Reply in the newsgroup so everyone can benefit
    > --
    >
    >




  6. #6
    simon Guest

    Re: VB On-Line certification tests

    Joey,

    It seems that you got some very good responses already. However, I like to
    add my 2 cents to it.

    There is no certification in this world that can prove how good a developer
    you are. Certification exam only proves that you can memorize things and
    know how to use a proprietary tool. It does not tell the employers whether
    you understand logic, algorithm, or the software design, which are important
    elements of a good developer.

    That's why most employers are emphasizing on working experience and
    schooling, instead of certification. And if you have no working experience,
    most hiring managers would rather trust your formal schooling (i.e. no
    corresponding school) than your certification. I know I would.

    Certification is suppose to be for experienced developers to compliment
    their skill and knowledge, and not designed for beginners to use it as "meal
    ticket". The last thing a hiring manager want to see is a MCSD with
    absolutely no working experience.

    Hope this helps.

    simon.




    "Joey" <jci@enro.com> wrote in message news:3a6bb5a5@news.devx.com...
    >
    > I am wondering what VB developers and/or hiring managers in companies

    thing
    > of the On-Line certification tests for Visual Basic. One very popular site
    > is brainbench.com. Are these tests credible? Are they a good judge if you
    > are a good VB developer? I have trouble thinking that they are. They

    only
    > test random syntax, and do not really test logic. The closest they get to
    > testing logic is trying to figure out the result of a loop. If you don't
    > remember one particular item of syntax (which, by the way, if you were

    actually
    > coding in the VB environment, you could use on-line help to find out the
    > answer), you don't get credit for that question. Any thoughts or comments
    > would be appreciated.



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