Which employers are paying for training?

[Larry Serflaten]

For most of the essential trades there is a upward path in building the needed skill set.
(IE, Carpentry, construction, store managers and others). Some of these are thought to
be so essential to a thriving community that they are being introduced to the students
while they are still in high school. Employers needing these skills can hire prospects
off the street, or more likely, propsects with some amount of initial training, and have
them train on the job. (IE electricians, plumbing, assembly, et. al)

In that computer programming is a trade, having a certain skill set, and some who
may be 'talented' or not, should there not be a similar OJT mechanism in place?

It may be different in other parts of the country (I've seen as much) but where I
live, and look for positions, even the majority of entry level positions are looking
to be filled by degreed graduates with 2+ years of experience. It just seems to
me that by requiring advanced training for entry level positions is going to do nothing
but keep payroll costs high. It would be better for employers and the industry if
larger corporations help foot the bill in the area of appropreate training....

Are there any employers taking the inititive to develop On the Job Training
programs to help increase the pool of skilled workers in this field?

There doesn't seem to be any near me, but if you know of some in your area,
it may help me to target their sister firms in my area...

Any help is aprpreciated
LFS

[Miroslav St. Jeliazkov]

Hi Larry,

A friend of mine is currently working for a Canadian
company. When he started there they sent him to a training
course but the contract they forced him to sign was a very
longterm - (3 or 5 years, don't remember exactly

The bad thing is that I don't remember the name of the
company and I lost contact with my friend. But I remember
that he is in Toronto and the name was something like LSI
(or was it LFS). Sorry I don't know. But I know that it is a
matter of nagotiations with the boss.

Regards
Miro

[Larry Serflaten]

Thanks for your input, I know of company right here in town called FSI,
which may be a branch of a larger firm. I really dont need the training so much
that I am surprised at the high level of training needed to break into this
field. For an example, here is the MPLS/STP employment section I regularly
visit: http://www.startribune.com/employment

For Classification choose 'Technology" (Last one in the list)
For Job Tiltle choose "Computer", then enter "VB OR BASIC" for
keywords. Select "Full Listings" and press the submit button.

It seems 95 times out of 100, if the job has anything to do with programming,
a BS degree, and 2+ years experience is required or 'prefered'. Often the
request is for more than that... For a larger list remove the keywords, but
then you'll get lots of C++, JAVA, or web development ads.

For an industry that is supposedly seeing a shortage of talent, they sure
seem rather picky to me. How does this compare to ads in your own
area?

TIA
LFS

"Miroslav St. Jeliazkov" <jeliaskoff@earthling.net> wrote in message news:397809af@news.devx.com...
> Hi Larry,
>
> A friend of mine is currently working for a Canadian
> company. When he started there they sent him to a training
> course but the contract they forced him to sign was a very
> longterm - (3 or 5 years, don't remember exactly
>
> The bad thing is that I don't remember the name of the
> company and I lost contact with my friend. But I remember
> that he is in Toronto and the name was something like LSI
> (or was it LFS). Sorry I don't know. But I know that it is a
> matter of nagotiations with the boss.
>
> Regards
> Miro

[Jeff Hashe]

I've worked for EDS for over 11 years, and they're one of the best in the
IT business for providing training to technical employees. We have what
is called "EDS University", which provides technical training for all levels,
as well as professional and leadership training. If EDS does not offer a
particular class, they will often pay for you to take such a class offsite.
I have known several solid programmer/analyst types who came into EDS with
a non-technical degree (or no degree even) and have been successful. Also,
I have known people who started in non-technical positions and have received
the training they need to move into the programmer/analyst roles. EDS is
based in Plano, TX (a suburb of Dallas), but there are EDS groups all over
the world, and there are over 120,000 EDS employees worldwide. Check out
www.eds.com for more info.

[Calin]

In addition to Jeff's recommendation, you may want to look at SARK. I'm
not as familiar with them as Jeff is with EDS, by a long shot, but they
may be worth a look.

http://www.sark.com/

--
Calin (aka Toby)
http://www.calin.com/
calin at calin dot com


"Larry Serflaten" <serflaten@usinternet.com> wrote in message
news:3976e4e1$1@news.devx.com...
> For most of the essential trades there is a upward path in building
the needed skill set.
> (IE, Carpentry, construction, store managers and others). Some of
these are thought to
> be so essential to a thriving community that they are being introduced
to the students
> while they are still in high school. Employers needing these skills
can hire prospects
> off the street, or more likely, propsects with some amount of initial
training, and have
> them train on the job. (IE electricians, plumbing, assembly, et. al)
>
> In that computer programming is a trade, having a certain skill set,
and some who
> may be 'talented' or not, should there not be a similar OJT mechanism
in place?
>
> It may be different in other parts of the country (I've seen as much)
but where I
> live, and look for positions, even the majority of entry level
positions are looking
> to be filled by degreed graduates with 2+ years of experience. It
just seems to
> me that by requiring advanced training for entry level positions is
going to do nothing
> but keep payroll costs high. It would be better for employers and the
industry if
> larger corporations help foot the bill in the area of appropreate
training....
>
> Are there any employers taking the inititive to develop On the Job
Training
> programs to help increase the pool of skilled workers in this field?
>
> There doesn't seem to be any near me, but if you know of some in your
area,
> it may help me to target their sister firms in my area...
>
> Any help is aprpreciated
> LFS
>
>
>