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  1. #1
    scott Guest

    How can I get a programming job?


    I wanted to know how easy it is for someone to work his/her way into some
    sort of programming career without having a college degree or any prior computer
    programming employment experience. I have been teaching myself VB for around
    9 months (basically studying/reading and programming for 1 to 3 hours per
    day). In my current position it would be very hard to work my way through
    college but I don't want my interest in programming and current knowledge
    to go to waste. I would appreciate it if someone could help me out. I guess
    I am wanting to know where I can start (for example: What type of job should
    I start looking for?).

    Thanks.

  2. #2
    simon Guest

    Re: How can I get a programming job?

    Scott,

    I hate to tell you that, but without a college degree or working experience,
    it is next to impossible for you to get a programming job. Teaching
    yourself how to program does not really count, in the eyes of the hiring
    managers.

    Some people here in this newsgroup had suggested to do free work for charity
    organization. It is not a bad idea. But it is still not good enough to
    most hiring managers. Since charity work are free, they don't care if your
    work follows any standard or not; or worse, they don't care if you are
    writing sphagetti code. But anyway, if this is your only alternative, make
    sure you get into a project that requires a team of developers. Being able
    to work in a team environment and being able to follow direction from a team
    leader are good things to show to prospective employers.

    Just wondering.... do you mind to share the reason why you cannot go to
    school? Is it because you are married with bunch of kids or something?

    Hope this helps.

    simon.



    "scott" <psmcmillan@mindspring.com> wrote in message
    news:3acb3691$1@news.devx.com...
    >
    > I wanted to know how easy it is for someone to work his/her way into some
    > sort of programming career without having a college degree or any prior

    computer
    > programming employment experience. I have been teaching myself VB for

    around
    > 9 months (basically studying/reading and programming for 1 to 3 hours per
    > day). In my current position it would be very hard to work my way through
    > college but I don't want my interest in programming and current knowledge
    > to go to waste. I would appreciate it if someone could help me out. I

    guess
    > I am wanting to know where I can start (for example: What type of job

    should
    > I start looking for?).
    >
    > Thanks.



  3. #3
    Jeff Guest

    Re: How can I get a programming job?


    You didn't indicate what sort of work you are doing now; but if you can, try
    to use your skills to do something to benefit your current employer. If
    your employer has an IT group, try to get into it - many companies will give
    people in your situation a chance.

    I have a good friend who was able to use his computer skills in his current
    job to automate several functions in his plant, saving his company a lot
    of time and money. If you are in a position to do that, and you can keep
    up and use the marketable technologies, you have a good chance.

    But it is hard to get even an entry-level programming job with your particular
    experience. Not impossible, but definitely challenging.

    Another option is to get into a company that has a large IT group. Try to
    get in at any level, mainly at a helpdesk or support level, even if it's
    just answering phones. Or as a software tester. Let it be known what your
    goals are, and keep working on your skills. If you do good work and have
    good management, then you may get a shot within a couple of years. It's
    a lot cheaper for companies to transfer someone into a group than to hire
    someone off the street.

    Good luck.


  4. #4
    Mark Guest

    Re: How can I get a programming job?


    I can relate. I started in the IT world with no degree and have progressed(I
    think).

    My lack of degree was due to the comittments of a military career. I did
    however take the time to get a certificate from a technical school after
    I got out. Just as Jeff suggested I got my start on the help desk. After
    a few months there of writing small programs on my own I was given the chance
    to work with the real toys. I paid attention to the senior programmers(those
    that were not a**holes that is) and continued to learn.
    A couple of years later after more experience I got an MCSD which helped
    me learn even more and moved me into better jobs where I can get even more
    experience.

    It is difficult to get that start, but when you do, and can prove yourself,
    it should be ok. I do still face the occasional short sited hiring manager
    who will not even look at my resume without a BS, but I just laugh and find
    another company(hopefully their competitor), it's their lose.




    "scott" <psmcmillan@mindspring.com> wrote:
    >
    >I wanted to know how easy it is for someone to work his/her way into some
    >sort of programming career without having a college degree or any prior

    computer
    >programming employment experience. I have been teaching myself VB for around
    >9 months (basically studying/reading and programming for 1 to 3 hours per
    >day). In my current position it would be very hard to work my way through
    >college but I don't want my interest in programming and current knowledge
    >to go to waste. I would appreciate it if someone could help me out. I

    guess
    >I am wanting to know where I can start (for example: What type of job should
    >I start looking for?).
    >
    >Thanks.



  5. #5
    Frustrated IT Worker Guest

    Re: How can I get a programming job?


    >It is difficult to get that start, but when you do, and can prove yourself,
    >it should be ok. I do still face the occasional short sited hiring manager
    >who will not even look at my resume without a BS, but I just laugh and find
    >another company(hopefully their competitor), it's their lose.


    Well, if the company has an HR department or employs a technical recruiter
    then this is the person who is rejecting you (usually due to company policy).
    I doubt that the hiring manager even had the opportunity to look at your
    resume.





  6. #6
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
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    Programming

    Well I have had 2 years of college some of which was spent with a ATmega 16, from Atmel, and c compiler called CodeVisionAVR. I was instructed by some very respectable instructors, and became quite fluent in C. Moving into more of a career path instead of educational path I decided to take some time off from school and make some money, little to say that Best Buy's Geek Squad is not the route to success unless you want to have harassing managers and barely 25 hours a week... So I moved on to a respectable Software company that was making quite a bit of quality software for companies all around the US.. I told them that I could program C and C++ (I taught myself on the side of learning C), and even flashed the ATMEGA16 Student Board. They gave me some contract jobs, one was creating a Unix c++ program that read from a random spool file that of which the name was an incrementing integer. The program output file to another permanent file (the owners didn't have the root password) and the spool file got deleted immediatly. It took one weekend and I did that job for free because I didn't negotiate the contract correctly... Lesson learned, the next program I did was on verbal agreement and an EULA. I used VC++ .NET 2008, and the program found two processes which it then killed, checked for it again to verify, re initiated the process, and then reset a USB TAPI device. I got payed for that program and now my Resume says contract C++ / VC++ .NET programmer, I taught my self and have accomplished enough in my programming history (I started playing around with c++ when I was 12 and I am 20 now), that I feel that I can take on a Programming Job, even if it is Entry Level Programmer, I wont stop until I find the right job.

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