java Vs C# who's the Winner???

[umesh]

hi,
i'm a java developer just wanted to who's gaining a lot of ground is it JAVA
or C#,what would be the trend???
any thought's??
Mark,

[.netGuy]

There is no answer at this time. As you can see from my nick, I go for .NET,
but Java won't die, you can be sure. .NET is still in beta, so who knows
if it will have a great success? It will probably, but this is just my opinion.
IMO, if you already have Java experience, learning C# and C# is a good way
to improve your knowlegde. Also remeber that everything with MS is moving
to .NET, so if you plan to develop for Windows, or web development with ASP.NET
in Win (and Linux in the future) you *must* learn .NET. Instead, if platform
indipendence is a must for you, and you can't with for the Linux version
of the .NET framework, Java is still the choice.
- .netGuy


"umesh" <havinal@icmg.nu> wrote:
>hi,
>i'm a java developer just wanted to who's gaining a lot of ground is it
JAVA
>or C#,what would be the trend???
>any thought's??
>Mark,
>
>
>

[David K.]

I think your question is flawed. You assume that there has to be one winner
and one loser. My opinion is that there is room enough for both languages.
Personally, I think that people in the Microsoft camp will likely use a
lot of C# (although not exclusively), while people in the anti-Microsoft
camp will use Java. I can't see the open source "zealots" using anything
that comes out of Redmond, no matter how good it is technically.


"umesh" <havinal@icmg.nu> wrote:
>hi,
>i'm a java developer just wanted to who's gaining a lot of ground is it
JAVA
>or C#,what would be the trend???
>any thought's??
>Mark,
>
>
>

[Tom]

umesh,

David is absolutely correct. Why does it has to be an "either or" question?
Why can't we (as developers) use them all? Why can't we all get along
(borrow from Rodney, heehee)? Anyway, both Java and C# have their strengths
and weaknesses and we, as professional developers, are suppose to be
impartial enough and intelligent enough to pick and choose the right tool
for the right job.

Just my $0.02.

simon.



"David K." <davidk@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:3b25550d@news.devx.com...
>
> I think your question is flawed. You assume that there has to be one
winner
> and one loser. My opinion is that there is room enough for both
languages.
> Personally, I think that people in the Microsoft camp will likely use a
> lot of C# (although not exclusively), while people in the anti-Microsoft
> camp will use Java. I can't see the open source "zealots" using anything
> that comes out of Redmond, no matter how good it is technically.
>
>
> "umesh" <havinal@icmg.nu> wrote:
> >hi,
> >i'm a java developer just wanted to who's gaining a lot of ground is it
> JAVA
> >or C#,what would be the trend???
> >any thought's??
> >Mark,
> >
> >
> >
>

[McCorney]

Yes, they do have their strengths and weakenesses. But, Java flat out sucks.
C# and the .net framework offers a much more compelling and powerful platform
to deal with. I am just tired of trying to compile my application under
jbuilder and knowing that I have to take a cofee break.
Have any one of you tried running an ant build on your java class files.
You may as well go out for a lunch break. Java is simply not up to the task
for heavy server side programming. Java could be used a an interface for
thin client such as mobile devices. On the other hand, c# and the .net framework
was built from the ground up with client/server side programming in mind.
The .com boom is over, now back to real programming.




"Tom" <tom@freemail.com> wrote:
>umesh,
>
>David is absolutely correct. Why does it has to be an "either or" question?
>Why can't we (as developers) use them all? Why can't we all get along
>(borrow from Rodney, heehee)? Anyway, both Java and C# have their strengths
>and weaknesses and we, as professional developers, are suppose to be
>impartial enough and intelligent enough to pick and choose the right tool
>for the right job.
>
>Just my $0.02.
>
>simon.
>
>
>
>"David K." <davidk@nospam.com> wrote in message
>news:3b25550d@news.devx.com...
>>
>> I think your question is flawed. You assume that there has to be one
>winner
>> and one loser. My opinion is that there is room enough for both
>languages.
>> Personally, I think that people in the Microsoft camp will likely use
a
>> lot of C# (although not exclusively), while people in the anti-Microsoft
>> camp will use Java. I can't see the open source "zealots" using anything
>> that comes out of Redmond, no matter how good it is technically.
>>
>>
>> "umesh" <havinal@icmg.nu> wrote:
>> >hi,
>> >i'm a java developer just wanted to who's gaining a lot of ground is
it
>> JAVA
>> >or C#,what would be the trend???
>> >any thought's??
>> >Mark,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>

[Jonathan]

"Java flat out sucks" is a very loaded statement. First, I get a sense of
anger to Java? What exactly is it about Java that sucks? If it's the time
it takes to compile your app, then I have to ask what kind of computer are
you running on? In a production environment developing J2EE framework applications,
we compile quite LARGE applications fairly quickly. Of course I'm not trying
to play the "Good vs. Evil" game either. I think C# has A LOT to offer!
It improves on alot of Java's weaknesses. However, J2EE is definitely up
to the challenge in the client/server arena! Some of the largest enterprise
companies are implementing Java.

Perhaps we should clarify what client/server means in TODAY's terms. The
client can be anything from a browser, thin app, mobile device, PDA, etc.
The server end can be legacy systems, ERP solutions, Unix-based, and Windows
based. I want to build a solution that best meets all of these areas, and
is eagerly ready to scale to the next thing to come out. At this point in
the Java vs. C# arena, J2EE wins hands down. I'm not talking about JUST
the language, but the technology. C# is no doubt everything Java isn't,
but until Microsoft ports .NET to other platforms, C# development will find
its' home only on Windows-based systems. Sure SOAP is going to alleviate
many of the cross-platform/cross-language issues, but you will still be interfacing
Java or C++ on the other side.

Like Simon says, that's my $0.02.


jonathan



"McCorney" <mccorney@hotmai.com> wrote:
>
>Yes, they do have their strengths and weakenesses. But, Java flat out sucks.
>C# and the .net framework offers a much more compelling and powerful platform
>to deal with. I am just tired of trying to compile my application under
>jbuilder and knowing that I have to take a cofee break.
>Have any one of you tried running an ant build on your java class files.
>You may as well go out for a lunch break. Java is simply not up to the
task
>for heavy server side programming. Java could be used a an interface for
>thin client such as mobile devices. On the other hand, c# and the .net
framework
>was built from the ground up with client/server side programming in mind.
> The .com boom is over, now back to real programming.
>
>
>
>
>"Tom" <tom@freemail.com> wrote:
>>umesh,
>>
>>David is absolutely correct. Why does it has to be an "either or" question?
>>Why can't we (as developers) use them all? Why can't we all get along
>>(borrow from Rodney, heehee)? Anyway, both Java and C# have their strengths
>>and weaknesses and we, as professional developers, are suppose to be
>>impartial enough and intelligent enough to pick and choose the right tool
>>for the right job.
>>
>>Just my $0.02.
>>
>>simon.
>>
>>
>>
>>"David K." <davidk@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>news:3b25550d@news.devx.com...
>>>
>>> I think your question is flawed. You assume that there has to be one
>>winner
>>> and one loser. My opinion is that there is room enough for both
>>languages.
>>> Personally, I think that people in the Microsoft camp will likely use
>a
>>> lot of C# (although not exclusively), while people in the anti-Microsoft
>>> camp will use Java. I can't see the open source "zealots" using anything
>>> that comes out of Redmond, no matter how good it is technically.
>>>
>>>
>>> "umesh" <havinal@icmg.nu> wrote:
>>> >hi,
>>> >i'm a java developer just wanted to who's gaining a lot of ground is
>it
>>> JAVA
>>> >or C#,what would be the trend???
>>> >any thought's??
>>> >Mark,
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>

[Kunle Odutola]

"Jonathan" <jon_griffin_99@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3b299ab0$1@news.devx.com...

> Perhaps we should clarify what client/server means in TODAY's terms. The
> client can be anything from a browser, thin app, mobile device, PDA, etc.
> The server end can be legacy systems, ERP solutions, Unix-based, and
Windows
> based. I want to build a solution that best meets all of these areas, and
> is eagerly ready to scale to the next thing to come out. At this point in
> the Java vs. C# arena, J2EE wins hands down.

Most systems spend their life running on the same OS platform. Cross-OS
portability is a nice idea only if it applies to you. Some system do
genuinely benefit from it though. As for J2EE, you need to go through
deploying a substantial application on a few different J2EE server suites to
get an idea of why MS's offering is still the one to beat.

> I'm not talking about JUST
> the language, but the technology. C# is no doubt everything Java isn't,
> but until Microsoft ports .NET to other platforms, C# development will
find
> its' home only on Windows-based systems.

Cross-OS C#/CLR is already on the way.
http://www.southern-storm.com.au/portable_net.html

Kunle

[Bill G]

How is C# a direct competitor for Java, when it doesn't even match it on
its major strength ( cross platform support ). Please don't give me story
about possible future .NET runtimes for Linux, Apple and Solaris. Shipping
is believing.

"Tom" <tom@freemail.com> wrote:
>umesh,
>
>David is absolutely correct. Why does it has to be an "either or" question?
>Why can't we (as developers) use them all? Why can't we all get along
>(borrow from Rodney, heehee)? Anyway, both Java and C# have their strengths
>and weaknesses and we, as professional developers, are suppose to be
>impartial enough and intelligent enough to pick and choose the right tool
>for the right job.
>
>Just my $0.02.
>
>simon.
>
>
>
>"David K." <davidk@nospam.com> wrote in message
>news:3b25550d@news.devx.com...
>>
>> I think your question is flawed. You assume that there has to be one
>winner
>> and one loser. My opinion is that there is room enough for both
>languages.
>> Personally, I think that people in the Microsoft camp will likely use
a
>> lot of C# (although not exclusively), while people in the anti-Microsoft
>> camp will use Java. I can't see the open source "zealots" using anything
>> that comes out of Redmond, no matter how good it is technically.
>>
>>
>> "umesh" <havinal@icmg.nu> wrote:
>> >hi,
>> >i'm a java developer just wanted to who's gaining a lot of ground is
it
>> JAVA
>> >or C#,what would be the trend???
>> >any thought's??
>> >Mark,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>

[Dhawal]

I am having trouble with Java internet application in Windows Vista (future OS, going to be most commonly used OS later). But Java is Free and Microsoft C# requires liecence. Server becomes costly due to microsoft products, but again main thing is every user(90%+) got Microsoft product i.e Windows OS and Microsoft can do anything to break other language in future and I find as a bigginner to go with Microsoft insted of other language, But who knows Suns can build there own OS lol but when that going to happen I might be retiring as programmer. I am very confused at this point about future of Java over microsoft OS, why would they let there rivals to have upperhand when they already got a very strong hold on OS market.