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  1. #1
    xpess Guest

    I'm java programmer laid off and currently seeking for a job



    Hi Everyone,
    I'm a MS graduate in Information System and later started my working for
    a startup company(B2B financial products). I had been working as Software
    Engineer for an year in Java technology and was laid off last June. Since
    then I'm searching for position in Java, but unsucessful. During this period
    I expertised myself in advance java technology. Now I'm planning for career
    change to Oracle DBA or .net. Can you please suggest me as to which career
    path will be best for me to take?

    Thanks in Advance,
    Xpess

  2. #2
    Elena Guest

    Re: I'm java programmer laid off and currently seeking for a job


    Java is by no means "over". You're not finding work because EVERYTHING is
    down - - not specifically java technology. And you'll have better luck marketing
    yourself as an experienced java programmer than an inexperienced Oracle DBA
    or dotnet programmer.

    So by all means learn whatever technology interests you - - whether that
    be J2EE or Oracle or Microsoft, but I think your fastest path to employment
    remains in the java arena.

    And remember, online job boards provide really lousy odds for job-hunters.
    You need to be contacting local companies in person, on the phone or at
    the VERY least by physical mail. It's the human-being networking that pays
    off best.

    Best of Luck!
    Elena

    "xpess" <xpess@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >
    >
    >Hi Everyone,
    >I'm a MS graduate in Information System and later started my working for
    >a startup company(B2B financial products). I had been working as Software
    >Engineer for an year in Java technology and was laid off last June. Since
    >then I'm searching for position in Java, but unsucessful. During this period
    >I expertised myself in advance java technology. Now I'm planning for career
    >change to Oracle DBA or .net. Can you please suggest me as to which career
    >path will be best for me to take?
    >
    >Thanks in Advance,
    >Xpess



  3. #3
    MarkN Guest

    Re: I'm java programmer laid off and currently seeking for a job


    I agree with Elena. And to add a little on - How much of the Java platform
    do you know? There are many things to learn. A year worth of knowing Java
    is small compared to the volume of technologies. If you do have quite a
    bit of Java and Java tools knowledge then I would suggest learning the .Net
    platform in addition. Not changing paths. It is valuable in that it will
    help you see things from a different perspective and will make you more marketable.

    Mark

    "Elena" <egermano@comcast.net> wrote:
    >
    >Java is by no means "over". You're not finding work because EVERYTHING

    is
    >down - - not specifically java technology. And you'll have better luck marketing
    >yourself as an experienced java programmer than an inexperienced Oracle

    DBA
    >or dotnet programmer.
    >
    >So by all means learn whatever technology interests you - - whether that
    >be J2EE or Oracle or Microsoft, but I think your fastest path to employment
    >remains in the java arena.
    >
    >And remember, online job boards provide really lousy odds for job-hunters.
    > You need to be contacting local companies in person, on the phone or at
    >the VERY least by physical mail. It's the human-being networking that pays
    >off best.
    >
    >Best of Luck!
    >Elena
    >
    >"xpess" <xpess@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>Hi Everyone,
    >>I'm a MS graduate in Information System and later started my working for
    >>a startup company(B2B financial products). I had been working as Software
    >>Engineer for an year in Java technology and was laid off last June. Since
    >>then I'm searching for position in Java, but unsucessful. During this period
    >>I expertised myself in advance java technology. Now I'm planning for career
    >>change to Oracle DBA or .net. Can you please suggest me as to which career
    >>path will be best for me to take?
    >>
    >>Thanks in Advance,
    >>Xpess

    >



  4. #4
    xpess Guest

    Re: I'm java programmer laid off and currently seeking for a job


    Elena and Mark, I'm very much thankful for ur reply and suggestions. As Mark
    asked about knowledge of Java, I have been using Java since my masters i.e.
    2000 untill now, but work experience is one a year. My skill sets include
    Advance Java(XML,RMI,JDBC,SWING,SERVLETS). The DBA that I've mentioned costs
    $1500 bucks, is it worth paying for it. Can you suggest me any places that
    allow me to work on projects on Java for free?

    Thank you so much in advance,
    Xpess


    "MarkN" <m@n.com> wrote:
    >
    >I agree with Elena. And to add a little on - How much of the Java platform
    >do you know? There are many things to learn. A year worth of knowing Java
    >is small compared to the volume of technologies. If you do have quite a
    >bit of Java and Java tools knowledge then I would suggest learning the .Net
    >platform in addition. Not changing paths. It is valuable in that it will
    >help you see things from a different perspective and will make you more

    marketable.
    >
    >Mark
    >
    >"Elena" <egermano@comcast.net> wrote:
    >>
    >>Java is by no means "over". You're not finding work because EVERYTHING

    >is
    >>down - - not specifically java technology. And you'll have better luck

    marketing
    >>yourself as an experienced java programmer than an inexperienced Oracle

    >DBA
    >>or dotnet programmer.
    >>
    >>So by all means learn whatever technology interests you - - whether that
    >>be J2EE or Oracle or Microsoft, but I think your fastest path to employment
    >>remains in the java arena.
    >>
    >>And remember, online job boards provide really lousy odds for job-hunters.
    >> You need to be contacting local companies in person, on the phone or at
    >>the VERY least by physical mail. It's the human-being networking that

    pays
    >>off best.
    >>
    >>Best of Luck!
    >>Elena
    >>
    >>"xpess" <xpess@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>Hi Everyone,
    >>>I'm a MS graduate in Information System and later started my working for
    >>>a startup company(B2B financial products). I had been working as Software
    >>>Engineer for an year in Java technology and was laid off last June. Since
    >>>then I'm searching for position in Java, but unsucessful. During this

    period
    >>>I expertised myself in advance java technology. Now I'm planning for

    career
    >>>change to Oracle DBA or .net. Can you please suggest me as to which career
    >>>path will be best for me to take?
    >>>
    >>>Thanks in Advance,
    >>>Xpess

    >>

    >



  5. #5
    Elena Guest

    Re: I'm java programmer laid off and currently seeking for a job


    >>The DBA that I've mentioned costs $1500 bucks, is it worth paying for it.



    I take it you've found some training course costing $1500. It depends what
    you mean by "worth it". They might certainly provide high-quality education
    but I absolutely guarantee you will NOT get a job as an Oracle DBA with a
    training certificate and no experience. So if by "worth it" you mean "Will
    I get a DBA job paying $70,000?" the answer is NO.

    You've said nothing about your financial circumstances. If I'd been out
    of work since last June, I'd be in pretty bad shape by now. I wouldn't be
    wasting time and precious dollars on a speculative venture like training
    for a new technology. I'd be contacting every company around looking for
    anything even remotely IT-related including business analysis, help desk
    or whatever. Of course, your situation might be completely different so I'm
    not criticizing you in any way.

    I work in the Microsoft realm so I really don't know much about Java jobs
    other than to suggest the open source folks probably could make excellent
    use of your skills. You might investigate that arena.

    Best of Luck!
    Elena


    "xpess" <xpess@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >
    >Elena and Mark, I'm very much thankful for ur reply and suggestions. As

    Mark
    >asked about knowledge of Java, I have been using Java since my masters i.e.
    >2000 untill now, but work experience is one a year. My skill sets include
    >Advance Java(XML,RMI,JDBC,SWING,SERVLETS). The DBA that I've mentioned costs
    >$1500 bucks, is it worth paying for it. Can you suggest me any places that
    >allow me to work on projects on Java for free?
    >
    >Thank you so much in advance,
    >Xpess
    >
    >
    >"MarkN" <m@n.com> wrote:
    >>
    >>I agree with Elena. And to add a little on - How much of the Java platform
    >>do you know? There are many things to learn. A year worth of knowing

    Java
    >>is small compared to the volume of technologies. If you do have quite

    a
    >>bit of Java and Java tools knowledge then I would suggest learning the

    .Net
    >>platform in addition. Not changing paths. It is valuable in that it will
    >>help you see things from a different perspective and will make you more

    >marketable.
    >>
    >>Mark
    >>
    >>"Elena" <egermano@comcast.net> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>Java is by no means "over". You're not finding work because EVERYTHING

    >>is
    >>>down - - not specifically java technology. And you'll have better luck

    >marketing
    >>>yourself as an experienced java programmer than an inexperienced Oracle

    >>DBA
    >>>or dotnet programmer.
    >>>
    >>>So by all means learn whatever technology interests you - - whether that
    >>>be J2EE or Oracle or Microsoft, but I think your fastest path to employment
    >>>remains in the java arena.
    >>>
    >>>And remember, online job boards provide really lousy odds for job-hunters.
    >>> You need to be contacting local companies in person, on the phone or

    at
    >>>the VERY least by physical mail. It's the human-being networking that

    >pays
    >>>off best.
    >>>
    >>>Best of Luck!
    >>>Elena
    >>>
    >>>"xpess" <xpess@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>Hi Everyone,
    >>>>I'm a MS graduate in Information System and later started my working

    for
    >>>>a startup company(B2B financial products). I had been working as Software
    >>>>Engineer for an year in Java technology and was laid off last June. Since
    >>>>then I'm searching for position in Java, but unsucessful. During this

    >period
    >>>>I expertised myself in advance java technology. Now I'm planning for

    >career
    >>>>change to Oracle DBA or .net. Can you please suggest me as to which career
    >>>>path will be best for me to take?
    >>>>
    >>>>Thanks in Advance,
    >>>>Xpess
    >>>

    >>

    >



  6. #6
    MarkN Guest

    Re: I'm java programmer laid off and currently seeking for a job


    For free Java work check out http://sourceforge.net/. Also apache.org. There
    are so many places. Many have attached themselves to sourceforge
    but also have their own websites. Many haven't and so a little google search
    might be in order.

    I get news on Oracle DBA jobs and next time I will post the info here, if
    I remember to. You can determine if you are qualified.

    BTW, I work in both worlds. While there aren't tons of jobs, there are still
    jobs available for those skill in the right technologies. I've hedged my
    bets by being versed in multiple technologies. With many on the verge of
    retirement and the [possible] upswing in the economy the time to prepare
    is now. Just don't waste your money on things you can get for free or the
    price of a book.

    Mark

    "Elena" <egermano@comcast.net> wrote:
    >
    >>>The DBA that I've mentioned costs $1500 bucks, is it worth paying for

    it.
    >
    >
    >I take it you've found some training course costing $1500. It depends what
    >you mean by "worth it". They might certainly provide high-quality education
    >but I absolutely guarantee you will NOT get a job as an Oracle DBA with

    a
    >training certificate and no experience. So if by "worth it" you mean "Will
    >I get a DBA job paying $70,000?" the answer is NO.
    >
    >You've said nothing about your financial circumstances. If I'd been out
    >of work since last June, I'd be in pretty bad shape by now. I wouldn't

    be
    >wasting time and precious dollars on a speculative venture like training
    >for a new technology. I'd be contacting every company around looking for
    >anything even remotely IT-related including business analysis, help desk
    >or whatever. Of course, your situation might be completely different so

    I'm
    >not criticizing you in any way.
    >
    >I work in the Microsoft realm so I really don't know much about Java jobs
    >other than to suggest the open source folks probably could make excellent
    >use of your skills. You might investigate that arena.
    >
    >Best of Luck!
    >Elena
    >
    >
    >"xpess" <xpess@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >>
    >>Elena and Mark, I'm very much thankful for ur reply and suggestions. As

    >Mark
    >>asked about knowledge of Java, I have been using Java since my masters

    i.e.
    >>2000 untill now, but work experience is one a year. My skill sets include
    >>Advance Java(XML,RMI,JDBC,SWING,SERVLETS). The DBA that I've mentioned

    costs
    >>$1500 bucks, is it worth paying for it. Can you suggest me any places that
    >>allow me to work on projects on Java for free?
    >>
    >>Thank you so much in advance,
    >>Xpess
    >>
    >>
    >>"MarkN" <m@n.com> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>I agree with Elena. And to add a little on - How much of the Java platform
    >>>do you know? There are many things to learn. A year worth of knowing

    >Java
    >>>is small compared to the volume of technologies. If you do have quite

    >a
    >>>bit of Java and Java tools knowledge then I would suggest learning the

    >.Net
    >>>platform in addition. Not changing paths. It is valuable in that it

    will
    >>>help you see things from a different perspective and will make you more

    >>marketable.
    >>>
    >>>Mark
    >>>
    >>>"Elena" <egermano@comcast.net> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>Java is by no means "over". You're not finding work because EVERYTHING
    >>>is
    >>>>down - - not specifically java technology. And you'll have better luck

    >>marketing
    >>>>yourself as an experienced java programmer than an inexperienced Oracle
    >>>DBA
    >>>>or dotnet programmer.
    >>>>
    >>>>So by all means learn whatever technology interests you - - whether that
    >>>>be J2EE or Oracle or Microsoft, but I think your fastest path to employment
    >>>>remains in the java arena.
    >>>>
    >>>>And remember, online job boards provide really lousy odds for job-hunters.
    >>>> You need to be contacting local companies in person, on the phone or

    >at
    >>>>the VERY least by physical mail. It's the human-being networking that

    >>pays
    >>>>off best.
    >>>>
    >>>>Best of Luck!
    >>>>Elena
    >>>>
    >>>>"xpess" <xpess@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Hi Everyone,
    >>>>>I'm a MS graduate in Information System and later started my working

    >for
    >>>>>a startup company(B2B financial products). I had been working as Software
    >>>>>Engineer for an year in Java technology and was laid off last June.

    Since
    >>>>>then I'm searching for position in Java, but unsucessful. During this

    >>period
    >>>>>I expertised myself in advance java technology. Now I'm planning for

    >>career
    >>>>>change to Oracle DBA or .net. Can you please suggest me as to which

    career
    >>>>>path will be best for me to take?
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Thanks in Advance,
    >>>>>Xpess
    >>>>
    >>>

    >>

    >



  7. #7
    MarkN Guest

    Re: I'm java programmer laid off and currently seeking for a job


    Here is the Oracle info I promised. You can contact him and get on his list.
    I get sent openings all the time. I would include the email address but
    I don't want him to get spammed. I'm not connected in anyway with this (other
    than being on their list) and I won't post this again.

    Bill Sargent
    ERP SOLUTIONS INC
    45 Whippoorwill Drive
    Palm Coast, Fl. 32164
    (386) 447-5820



    "MarkN" <m@n.com> wrote:
    >
    >For free Java work check out http://sourceforge.net/. Also apache.org.

    There
    >are so many places. Many have attached themselves to sourceforge
    >but also have their own websites. Many haven't and so a little google search
    >might be in order.
    >
    >I get news on Oracle DBA jobs and next time I will post the info here, if
    >I remember to. You can determine if you are qualified.
    >
    >BTW, I work in both worlds. While there aren't tons of jobs, there are

    still
    >jobs available for those skill in the right technologies. I've hedged my
    >bets by being versed in multiple technologies. With many on the verge of
    >retirement and the [possible] upswing in the economy the time to prepare
    >is now. Just don't waste your money on things you can get for free or the
    >price of a book.
    >
    >Mark
    >
    >"Elena" <egermano@comcast.net> wrote:
    >>
    >>>>The DBA that I've mentioned costs $1500 bucks, is it worth paying for

    >it.
    >>
    >>
    >>I take it you've found some training course costing $1500. It depends

    what
    >>you mean by "worth it". They might certainly provide high-quality education
    >>but I absolutely guarantee you will NOT get a job as an Oracle DBA with

    >a
    >>training certificate and no experience. So if by "worth it" you mean "Will
    >>I get a DBA job paying $70,000?" the answer is NO.
    >>
    >>You've said nothing about your financial circumstances. If I'd been out
    >>of work since last June, I'd be in pretty bad shape by now. I wouldn't

    >be
    >>wasting time and precious dollars on a speculative venture like training
    >>for a new technology. I'd be contacting every company around looking for
    >>anything even remotely IT-related including business analysis, help desk
    >>or whatever. Of course, your situation might be completely different so

    >I'm
    >>not criticizing you in any way.
    >>
    >>I work in the Microsoft realm so I really don't know much about Java jobs
    >>other than to suggest the open source folks probably could make excellent
    >>use of your skills. You might investigate that arena.
    >>
    >>Best of Luck!
    >>Elena
    >>
    >>
    >>"xpess" <xpess@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>Elena and Mark, I'm very much thankful for ur reply and suggestions. As

    >>Mark
    >>>asked about knowledge of Java, I have been using Java since my masters

    >i.e.
    >>>2000 untill now, but work experience is one a year. My skill sets include
    >>>Advance Java(XML,RMI,JDBC,SWING,SERVLETS). The DBA that I've mentioned

    >costs
    >>>$1500 bucks, is it worth paying for it. Can you suggest me any places

    that
    >>>allow me to work on projects on Java for free?
    >>>
    >>>Thank you so much in advance,
    >>>Xpess
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>"MarkN" <m@n.com> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>I agree with Elena. And to add a little on - How much of the Java platform
    >>>>do you know? There are many things to learn. A year worth of knowing

    >>Java
    >>>>is small compared to the volume of technologies. If you do have quite

    >>a
    >>>>bit of Java and Java tools knowledge then I would suggest learning the

    >>.Net
    >>>>platform in addition. Not changing paths. It is valuable in that it

    >will
    >>>>help you see things from a different perspective and will make you more
    >>>marketable.
    >>>>
    >>>>Mark
    >>>>
    >>>>"Elena" <egermano@comcast.net> wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Java is by no means "over". You're not finding work because EVERYTHING
    >>>>is
    >>>>>down - - not specifically java technology. And you'll have better luck
    >>>marketing
    >>>>>yourself as an experienced java programmer than an inexperienced Oracle
    >>>>DBA
    >>>>>or dotnet programmer.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>So by all means learn whatever technology interests you - - whether

    that
    >>>>>be J2EE or Oracle or Microsoft, but I think your fastest path to employment
    >>>>>remains in the java arena.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>And remember, online job boards provide really lousy odds for job-hunters.
    >>>>> You need to be contacting local companies in person, on the phone or

    >>at
    >>>>>the VERY least by physical mail. It's the human-being networking that
    >>>pays
    >>>>>off best.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Best of Luck!
    >>>>>Elena
    >>>>>
    >>>>>"xpess" <xpess@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>Hi Everyone,
    >>>>>>I'm a MS graduate in Information System and later started my working

    >>for
    >>>>>>a startup company(B2B financial products). I had been working as Software
    >>>>>>Engineer for an year in Java technology and was laid off last June.

    >Since
    >>>>>>then I'm searching for position in Java, but unsucessful. During this
    >>>period
    >>>>>>I expertised myself in advance java technology. Now I'm planning for
    >>>career
    >>>>>>change to Oracle DBA or .net. Can you please suggest me as to which

    >career
    >>>>>>path will be best for me to take?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>Thanks in Advance,
    >>>>>>Xpess
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>

    >>

    >



  8. #8
    Mark Guest

    Re: I'm java programmer laid off and currently seeking for a job


    Thank you Mark for ur time and consideration, I researched the java free website
    and yet to get reply from any of the project admin to include me in their
    group. Regarding Oracle, what list do I have to mention the person for him
    to include in his list. Is he head hunter or ...?

    Please reply me at earliest,
    Xpess

    "MarkN" <m@n.com> wrote:
    >
    >Here is the Oracle info I promised. You can contact him and get on his

    list.
    > I get sent openings all the time. I would include the email address but
    >I don't want him to get spammed. I'm not connected in anyway with this

    (other
    >than being on their list) and I won't post this again.
    >
    >Bill Sargent
    >ERP SOLUTIONS INC
    >45 Whippoorwill Drive
    >Palm Coast, Fl. 32164
    >(386) 447-5820
    >
    >
    >
    >"MarkN" <m@n.com> wrote:
    >>
    >>For free Java work check out http://sourceforge.net/. Also apache.org.

    > There
    >>are so many places. Many have attached themselves to sourceforge
    >>but also have their own websites. Many haven't and so a little google

    search
    >>might be in order.
    >>
    >>I get news on Oracle DBA jobs and next time I will post the info here,

    if
    >>I remember to. You can determine if you are qualified.
    >>
    >>BTW, I work in both worlds. While there aren't tons of jobs, there are

    >still
    >>jobs available for those skill in the right technologies. I've hedged

    my
    >>bets by being versed in multiple technologies. With many on the verge

    of
    >>retirement and the [possible] upswing in the economy the time to prepare
    >>is now. Just don't waste your money on things you can get for free or

    the
    >>price of a book.
    >>
    >>Mark
    >>
    >>"Elena" <egermano@comcast.net> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>>The DBA that I've mentioned costs $1500 bucks, is it worth paying for

    >>it.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>I take it you've found some training course costing $1500. It depends

    >what
    >>>you mean by "worth it". They might certainly provide high-quality education
    >>>but I absolutely guarantee you will NOT get a job as an Oracle DBA with

    >>a
    >>>training certificate and no experience. So if by "worth it" you mean

    "Will
    >>>I get a DBA job paying $70,000?" the answer is NO.
    >>>
    >>>You've said nothing about your financial circumstances. If I'd been out
    >>>of work since last June, I'd be in pretty bad shape by now. I wouldn't

    >>be
    >>>wasting time and precious dollars on a speculative venture like training
    >>>for a new technology. I'd be contacting every company around looking for
    >>>anything even remotely IT-related including business analysis, help desk
    >>>or whatever. Of course, your situation might be completely different so

    >>I'm
    >>>not criticizing you in any way.
    >>>
    >>>I work in the Microsoft realm so I really don't know much about Java jobs
    >>>other than to suggest the open source folks probably could make excellent
    >>>use of your skills. You might investigate that arena.
    >>>
    >>>Best of Luck!
    >>>Elena
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>"xpess" <xpess@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>Elena and Mark, I'm very much thankful for ur reply and suggestions.

    As
    >>>Mark
    >>>>asked about knowledge of Java, I have been using Java since my masters

    >>i.e.
    >>>>2000 untill now, but work experience is one a year. My skill sets include
    >>>>Advance Java(XML,RMI,JDBC,SWING,SERVLETS). The DBA that I've mentioned

    >>costs
    >>>>$1500 bucks, is it worth paying for it. Can you suggest me any places

    >that
    >>>>allow me to work on projects on Java for free?
    >>>>
    >>>>Thank you so much in advance,
    >>>>Xpess
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>"MarkN" <m@n.com> wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>I agree with Elena. And to add a little on - How much of the Java

    platform
    >>>>>do you know? There are many things to learn. A year worth of knowing
    >>>Java
    >>>>>is small compared to the volume of technologies. If you do have quite
    >>>a
    >>>>>bit of Java and Java tools knowledge then I would suggest learning the
    >>>.Net
    >>>>>platform in addition. Not changing paths. It is valuable in that it

    >>will
    >>>>>help you see things from a different perspective and will make you more
    >>>>marketable.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Mark
    >>>>>
    >>>>>"Elena" <egermano@comcast.net> wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>Java is by no means "over". You're not finding work because EVERYTHING
    >>>>>is
    >>>>>>down - - not specifically java technology. And you'll have better luck
    >>>>marketing
    >>>>>>yourself as an experienced java programmer than an inexperienced Oracle
    >>>>>DBA
    >>>>>>or dotnet programmer.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>So by all means learn whatever technology interests you - - whether

    >that
    >>>>>>be J2EE or Oracle or Microsoft, but I think your fastest path to employment
    >>>>>>remains in the java arena.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>And remember, online job boards provide really lousy odds for job-hunters.
    >>>>>> You need to be contacting local companies in person, on the phone

    or
    >>>at
    >>>>>>the VERY least by physical mail. It's the human-being networking that
    >>>>pays
    >>>>>>off best.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>Best of Luck!
    >>>>>>Elena
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>"xpess" <xpess@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Hi Everyone,
    >>>>>>>I'm a MS graduate in Information System and later started my working
    >>>for
    >>>>>>>a startup company(B2B financial products). I had been working as Software
    >>>>>>>Engineer for an year in Java technology and was laid off last June.

    >>Since
    >>>>>>>then I'm searching for position in Java, but unsucessful. During this
    >>>>period
    >>>>>>>I expertised myself in advance java technology. Now I'm planning

    for
    >>>>career
    >>>>>>>change to Oracle DBA or .net. Can you please suggest me as to which

    >>career
    >>>>>>>path will be best for me to take?
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Thanks in Advance,
    >>>>>>>Xpess
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>

    >>

    >



  9. #9
    xpess Guest

    Re: I'm java programmer laid off and currently seeking for a job


    "Mark" <m@n.com> wrote:
    >
    >Thank you Mark for ur time and consideration, I researched the java free

    website
    >and yet to get reply from any of the project admin to include me in their
    >group. Regarding Oracle, what list do I have to mention the person for him
    >to include in his list. Is he head hunter or ...?
    >
    >Please reply me at earliest,
    >Xpess
    >
    >"MarkN" <m@n.com> wrote:
    >>
    >>Here is the Oracle info I promised. You can contact him and get on his

    >list.
    >> I get sent openings all the time. I would include the email address but
    >>I don't want him to get spammed. I'm not connected in anyway with this

    >(other
    >>than being on their list) and I won't post this again.
    >>
    >>Bill Sargent
    >>ERP SOLUTIONS INC
    >>45 Whippoorwill Drive
    >>Palm Coast, Fl. 32164
    >>(386) 447-5820
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>"MarkN" <m@n.com> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>For free Java work check out http://sourceforge.net/. Also apache.org.

    >> There
    >>>are so many places. Many have attached themselves to sourceforge
    >>>but also have their own websites. Many haven't and so a little google

    >search
    >>>might be in order.
    >>>
    >>>I get news on Oracle DBA jobs and next time I will post the info here,

    >if
    >>>I remember to. You can determine if you are qualified.
    >>>
    >>>BTW, I work in both worlds. While there aren't tons of jobs, there are

    >>still
    >>>jobs available for those skill in the right technologies. I've hedged

    >my
    >>>bets by being versed in multiple technologies. With many on the verge

    >of
    >>>retirement and the [possible] upswing in the economy the time to prepare
    >>>is now. Just don't waste your money on things you can get for free or

    >the
    >>>price of a book.
    >>>
    >>>Mark
    >>>
    >>>"Elena" <egermano@comcast.net> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>>>The DBA that I've mentioned costs $1500 bucks, is it worth paying for
    >>>it.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>I take it you've found some training course costing $1500. It depends

    >>what
    >>>>you mean by "worth it". They might certainly provide high-quality education
    >>>>but I absolutely guarantee you will NOT get a job as an Oracle DBA with
    >>>a
    >>>>training certificate and no experience. So if by "worth it" you mean

    >"Will
    >>>>I get a DBA job paying $70,000?" the answer is NO.
    >>>>
    >>>>You've said nothing about your financial circumstances. If I'd been

    out
    >>>>of work since last June, I'd be in pretty bad shape by now. I wouldn't
    >>>be
    >>>>wasting time and precious dollars on a speculative venture like training
    >>>>for a new technology. I'd be contacting every company around looking

    for
    >>>>anything even remotely IT-related including business analysis, help desk
    >>>>or whatever. Of course, your situation might be completely different

    so
    >>>I'm
    >>>>not criticizing you in any way.
    >>>>
    >>>>I work in the Microsoft realm so I really don't know much about Java

    jobs
    >>>>other than to suggest the open source folks probably could make excellent
    >>>>use of your skills. You might investigate that arena.
    >>>>
    >>>>Best of Luck!
    >>>>Elena
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>"xpess" <xpess@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Elena and Mark, I'm very much thankful for ur reply and suggestions.

    >As
    >>>>Mark
    >>>>>asked about knowledge of Java, I have been using Java since my masters
    >>>i.e.
    >>>>>2000 untill now, but work experience is one a year. My skill sets include
    >>>>>Advance Java(XML,RMI,JDBC,SWING,SERVLETS). The DBA that I've mentioned
    >>>costs
    >>>>>$1500 bucks, is it worth paying for it. Can you suggest me any places

    >>that
    >>>>>allow me to work on projects on Java for free?
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Thank you so much in advance,
    >>>>>Xpess
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>"MarkN" <m@n.com> wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>I agree with Elena. And to add a little on - How much of the Java

    >platform
    >>>>>>do you know? There are many things to learn. A year worth of knowing
    >>>>Java
    >>>>>>is small compared to the volume of technologies. If you do have quite
    >>>>a
    >>>>>>bit of Java and Java tools knowledge then I would suggest learning

    the
    >>>>.Net
    >>>>>>platform in addition. Not changing paths. It is valuable in that

    it
    >>>will
    >>>>>>help you see things from a different perspective and will make you

    more
    >>>>>marketable.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>Mark
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>"Elena" <egermano@comcast.net> wrote:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Java is by no means "over". You're not finding work because EVERYTHING
    >>>>>>is
    >>>>>>>down - - not specifically java technology. And you'll have better

    luck
    >>>>>marketing
    >>>>>>>yourself as an experienced java programmer than an inexperienced Oracle
    >>>>>>DBA
    >>>>>>>or dotnet programmer.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>So by all means learn whatever technology interests you - - whether

    >>that
    >>>>>>>be J2EE or Oracle or Microsoft, but I think your fastest path to employment
    >>>>>>>remains in the java arena.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>And remember, online job boards provide really lousy odds for job-hunters.
    >>>>>>> You need to be contacting local companies in person, on the phone

    >or
    >>>>at
    >>>>>>>the VERY least by physical mail. It's the human-being networking

    that
    >>>>>pays
    >>>>>>>off best.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Best of Luck!
    >>>>>>>Elena
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>"xpess" <xpess@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>Hi Everyone,
    >>>>>>>>I'm a MS graduate in Information System and later started my working
    >>>>for
    >>>>>>>>a startup company(B2B financial products). I had been working as

    Software
    >>>>>>>>Engineer for an year in Java technology and was laid off last June.
    >>>Since
    >>>>>>>>then I'm searching for position in Java, but unsucessful. During

    this
    >>>>>period
    >>>>>>>>I expertised myself in advance java technology. Now I'm planning

    >for
    >>>>>career
    >>>>>>>>change to Oracle DBA or .net. Can you please suggest me as to which
    >>>career
    >>>>>>>>path will be best for me to take?
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>Thanks in Advance,
    >>>>>>>>Xpess
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>

    >>

    >



  10. #10
    MarkN Guest

    Re: I'm java programmer laid off and currently seeking for a job


    A - Give them a chance. They are working for free. Some may (probably do)
    have other jobs.

    B - The Oracle DBA list


    "Mark" <m@n.com> wrote:
    >
    >Thank you Mark for ur time and consideration, I researched the java free

    website
    >and yet to get reply from any of the project admin to include me in their
    >group. Regarding Oracle, what list do I have to mention the person for him
    >to include in his list. Is he head hunter or ...?
    >
    >Please reply me at earliest,
    >Xpess
    >
    >"MarkN" <m@n.com> wrote:
    >>
    >>Here is the Oracle info I promised. You can contact him and get on his

    >list.
    >> I get sent openings all the time. I would include the email address but
    >>I don't want him to get spammed. I'm not connected in anyway with this

    >(other
    >>than being on their list) and I won't post this again.
    >>
    >>Bill Sargent
    >>ERP SOLUTIONS INC
    >>45 Whippoorwill Drive
    >>Palm Coast, Fl. 32164
    >>(386) 447-5820
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>"MarkN" <m@n.com> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>For free Java work check out http://sourceforge.net/. Also apache.org.

    >> There
    >>>are so many places. Many have attached themselves to sourceforge
    >>>but also have their own websites. Many haven't and so a little google

    >search
    >>>might be in order.
    >>>
    >>>I get news on Oracle DBA jobs and next time I will post the info here,

    >if
    >>>I remember to. You can determine if you are qualified.
    >>>
    >>>BTW, I work in both worlds. While there aren't tons of jobs, there are

    >>still
    >>>jobs available for those skill in the right technologies. I've hedged

    >my
    >>>bets by being versed in multiple technologies. With many on the verge

    >of
    >>>retirement and the [possible] upswing in the economy the time to prepare
    >>>is now. Just don't waste your money on things you can get for free or

    >the
    >>>price of a book.
    >>>
    >>>Mark
    >>>
    >>>"Elena" <egermano@comcast.net> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>>>The DBA that I've mentioned costs $1500 bucks, is it worth paying for
    >>>it.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>I take it you've found some training course costing $1500. It depends

    >>what
    >>>>you mean by "worth it". They might certainly provide high-quality education
    >>>>but I absolutely guarantee you will NOT get a job as an Oracle DBA with
    >>>a
    >>>>training certificate and no experience. So if by "worth it" you mean

    >"Will
    >>>>I get a DBA job paying $70,000?" the answer is NO.
    >>>>
    >>>>You've said nothing about your financial circumstances. If I'd been

    out
    >>>>of work since last June, I'd be in pretty bad shape by now. I wouldn't
    >>>be
    >>>>wasting time and precious dollars on a speculative venture like training
    >>>>for a new technology. I'd be contacting every company around looking

    for
    >>>>anything even remotely IT-related including business analysis, help desk
    >>>>or whatever. Of course, your situation might be completely different

    so
    >>>I'm
    >>>>not criticizing you in any way.
    >>>>
    >>>>I work in the Microsoft realm so I really don't know much about Java

    jobs
    >>>>other than to suggest the open source folks probably could make excellent
    >>>>use of your skills. You might investigate that arena.
    >>>>
    >>>>Best of Luck!
    >>>>Elena
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>"xpess" <xpess@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Elena and Mark, I'm very much thankful for ur reply and suggestions.

    >As
    >>>>Mark
    >>>>>asked about knowledge of Java, I have been using Java since my masters
    >>>i.e.
    >>>>>2000 untill now, but work experience is one a year. My skill sets include
    >>>>>Advance Java(XML,RMI,JDBC,SWING,SERVLETS). The DBA that I've mentioned
    >>>costs
    >>>>>$1500 bucks, is it worth paying for it. Can you suggest me any places

    >>that
    >>>>>allow me to work on projects on Java for free?
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Thank you so much in advance,
    >>>>>Xpess
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>"MarkN" <m@n.com> wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>I agree with Elena. And to add a little on - How much of the Java

    >platform
    >>>>>>do you know? There are many things to learn. A year worth of knowing
    >>>>Java
    >>>>>>is small compared to the volume of technologies. If you do have quite
    >>>>a
    >>>>>>bit of Java and Java tools knowledge then I would suggest learning

    the
    >>>>.Net
    >>>>>>platform in addition. Not changing paths. It is valuable in that

    it
    >>>will
    >>>>>>help you see things from a different perspective and will make you

    more
    >>>>>marketable.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>Mark
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>"Elena" <egermano@comcast.net> wrote:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Java is by no means "over". You're not finding work because EVERYTHING
    >>>>>>is
    >>>>>>>down - - not specifically java technology. And you'll have better

    luck
    >>>>>marketing
    >>>>>>>yourself as an experienced java programmer than an inexperienced Oracle
    >>>>>>DBA
    >>>>>>>or dotnet programmer.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>So by all means learn whatever technology interests you - - whether

    >>that
    >>>>>>>be J2EE or Oracle or Microsoft, but I think your fastest path to employment
    >>>>>>>remains in the java arena.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>And remember, online job boards provide really lousy odds for job-hunters.
    >>>>>>> You need to be contacting local companies in person, on the phone

    >or
    >>>>at
    >>>>>>>the VERY least by physical mail. It's the human-being networking

    that
    >>>>>pays
    >>>>>>>off best.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Best of Luck!
    >>>>>>>Elena
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>"xpess" <xpess@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>Hi Everyone,
    >>>>>>>>I'm a MS graduate in Information System and later started my working
    >>>>for
    >>>>>>>>a startup company(B2B financial products). I had been working as

    Software
    >>>>>>>>Engineer for an year in Java technology and was laid off last June.
    >>>Since
    >>>>>>>>then I'm searching for position in Java, but unsucessful. During

    this
    >>>>>period
    >>>>>>>>I expertised myself in advance java technology. Now I'm planning

    >for
    >>>>>career
    >>>>>>>>change to Oracle DBA or .net. Can you please suggest me as to which
    >>>career
    >>>>>>>>path will be best for me to take?
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>Thanks in Advance,
    >>>>>>>>Xpess
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>

    >>

    >



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