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  1. #1
    Jonny Guest

    At Last! Jonny Learns Something ...

    All

    Well for all the good folks who came here to learn something about dotnet
    and instead have been disappointed to hear only the high pitched whining of
    the Can't-Change/Won't-Change clique, I have some useful information to pass
    on:

    Bitwise Thingies
    ----------------
    Apparently this has something to do with the way wannabe C++ coders like to
    set flags. Thus, instead of setting property values like any normal person
    they have a single property called 'Flags' and they use it set all their
    properties in one line.

    The advantage of this technique are numerous

    1). Test show that, running on an Altair 800, you can shave 1 picosecond
    from each year of continious operation
    2). The code is ugly and hard for non-Gurus to maintain.
    3). Because 2 (above) you feel cool, as if you were really writing C++.
    4). Er .. thats it

    Possibly there are other advantages but I think they might be too
    complicated for me to understand.

    For more information just poke the usual suspects to receive a 10,000 word
    dissertation entitled 'Why Bitwise Operators are more Important than
    DataBases" By Danny 'Boy' Berkely.

    I hope this helps.

    Jonny






  2. #2
    Patrick Steele Guest

    Re: At Last! Jonny Learns Something ...

    In article <3ad6183a@news.devx.com> (from Jonny <jonny@joyofvb.com>),
    > Bitwise Thingies
    > ----------------
    > Apparently this has something to do with the way wannabe C++ coders like to
    > set flags. Thus, instead of setting property values like any normal person
    > they have a single property called 'Flags' and they use it set all their
    > properties in one line.


    Or it could be that some of us have been programming for many years and
    we remember a time when memory usage was a concern. Using bitwise
    flags, I can get 8 distinct values out of a byte, 16 out of a word,
    etc...

    Sometimes it's the right thing, sometimes it's not. You generalization
    is incorrect.

    > For more information just poke the usual suspects to receive a 10,000 word
    > dissertation entitled 'Why Bitwise Operators are more Important than
    > DataBases" By Danny 'Boy' Berkely.


    This is bordering on a personal attack. You should probably move this
    to the off.ramp if you want to continue this non-vb.net related issue.

    --
    Patrick Steele
    (psteele@ipdsolution.com)
    Lead Software Architect
    Image Process Design

  3. #3
    Mike Mitchell Guest

    Re: At Last! Jonny Learns Something ...

    On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 17:18:38 -0400, Patrick Steele
    <psteele@ipdsolution.com_> wrote:

    >This is bordering on a personal attack. You should probably move this
    >to the off.ramp if you want to continue this non-vb.net related issue.


    Oh, ignore him/her, Patrick! From the sneering tone of his/her
    contributions, I'd say (s)he is obviously nothing more than a
    loudmouth who is so full of it, I'm surprised there isn't a bloke in
    front playing a whistle. "Jonny" is but a recent visitor, and will
    soon tire of these threads and be gone. Not a moment too soon, either.
    Instead of fanning the flames, might I suggest the one good way that
    all the best scouts use for extinguishing a camp fire that's getting
    out of control?

    "I am NOT watching you!" (snigger!)

    MM

  4. #4
    Jonny Guest

    Re: At Last! Jonny Learns Something ...

    Patrick

    > This is bordering on a personal attack


    You forgot to add: "In my opinion". Thats the problem with censors I guess,
    its all matter of personal opinion. In my culture what I wrote would be
    characterised as 'friendly' or even 'funny' but if you want to oppress me
    and impose your value system then I am powerless to stop you.

    > You should probably move this to the off.ramp if you want to continue this

    non-vb.net related issue.

    OK. I appreciate the tip but I wonder why you do not seem to be applying
    your little red book to everybody else who, in my opinion, spend large
    amounts of time discussing non-dotnet related issues. A good example might
    be the post I am replying to now, unless restricting my freedom of
    expression is considered a dotnet issue. I guess if you make up the rules
    then you can pretty much do what you want (a bit like Microsoft really).

    Jonny



  5. #5
    Jonny Guest

    Re: At Last! Jonny Learns Something ...

    Mike

    > Oh, ignore him/her, Patrick! From the sneering tone of his/her
    > contributions .. etc


    I resent this outragous personal attack but I feel confident that Patrick,
    being an even handed fellow, will issue you with his warning concerning the
    nature and content of posts to this NG.

    > "I am NOT watching you!" (snigger!)


    Um .. OK.

    Jonny



  6. #6
    Jason Bock Guest

    Re: At Last! Jonny Learns Something ...

    Mike Mitchell <kylix_is@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:3ad62e66.3611882@news.devx.com...
    > On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 17:18:38 -0400, Patrick Steele
    > <psteele@ipdsolution.com_> wrote:
    >
    > >This is bordering on a personal attack. You should probably move this
    > >to the off.ramp if you want to continue this non-vb.net related issue.

    >
    > Oh, ignore him/her, Patrick! From the sneering tone of his/her
    > contributions, I'd say (s)he is obviously nothing more than a
    > loudmouth who is so full of it, I'm surprised there isn't a bloke in
    > front playing a whistle. "Jonny" is but a recent visitor, and will
    > soon tire of these threads and be gone.


    Um...you ~really~ don't know who you're talking about, right?

    http://www.joyofvb.com

    Regards,

    Jason



  7. #7
    Zane Thomas Guest

    Re: At Last! Jonny Learns Something ...

    Jason,

    No personal attack intended, just a simple observation: What did you
    expect? He's an idiot.


    ---
    Ice Z - Straight Outta Redmond

  8. #8
    Patrick Steele Guest

    Re: At Last! Jonny Learns Something ...

    In article <3ad6462d@news.devx.com> (from Jonny <jonny@joyofvb.com>),
    > In my culture what I wrote would be
    > characterised as 'friendly' or even 'funny' but if you want to oppress me
    > and impose your value system then I am powerless to stop you.


    In my "culture" (i.e. this newsgroup), you usually add little "hints"
    that you're joking, like , <g>, <bg>, etc...

    There have been a lot of negative reactions to Dan's comments on
    bitwise/boolean logic in VB. And whether you like it or not, he is
    correct. What's unfortunate is that he had to write an article giving a
    background on bitwise operations that should be understood by most all
    programmers.

    > OK. I appreciate the tip but I wonder why you do not seem to be applying
    > your little red book to everybody else who, in my opinion, spend large
    > amounts of time discussing non-dotnet related issues.


    My comment about moving to the off.ramp was based on your:

    > For more information just poke the usual suspects to receive a 10,000 word
    > dissertation entitled 'Why Bitwise Operators are more Important than
    > DataBases" By Danny 'Boy' Berkely.


    To me (IMO!), that's looking like a personal attack. If you want to
    continue to discussing VB.NET, bitwise operations, booleans, etc... feel
    free to keep posting.

    --
    Patrick Steele
    (psteele@ipdsolution.com)
    Lead Software Architect
    Image Process Design

  9. #9
    Patrick Steele Guest

    Re: At Last! Jonny Learns Something ...

    In article <3ad64633@news.devx.com> (from Jonny <jonny@joyofvb.com>),
    > Mike
    >
    > > Oh, ignore him/her, Patrick! From the sneering tone of his/her
    > > contributions .. etc

    >
    > I resent this outragous personal attack but I feel confident that Patrick,
    > being an even handed fellow


    Thank you... (I think..)

    > will issue you with his warning concerning the
    > nature and content of posts to this NG.


    I've given up discussing things with Mike. It takes too long to read
    his replies and they usually end up being about renting apartments or
    getting his car fixed.

    --
    Patrick Steele
    (psteele@ipdsolution.com)
    Lead Software Architect
    Image Process Design

  10. #10
    Phil Weber Guest

    Re: At Last! Jonny Learns Something ...

    > From the sneering tone of his/her contributions, I'd say
    > (s)he is obviously nothing more than a loudmouth who
    > is so full of it, I'm surprised there isn't a bloke in front
    > playing a whistle.


    Mike: Wait. Who are we talking about? The above description sounds a lot
    like you.
    ---
    Phil Weber



  11. #11
    Sjoerd Verweij Guest

    Re: At Last! Jonny Learns Something ...

    > I resent this outragous personal attack

    vb.dotnet.discussion 101: ignore any post that ends with "MM". Unless you
    want a good laugh.




  12. #12
    Jonny Guest

    Re: At Last! Jonny Learns Something ...

    Patrick

    > To me (IMO!), that's looking like a personal attack. If you want to
    > continue to discussing VB.NET, bitwise operations, booleans, etc... feel
    > free to keep posting.


    The truth is, you disagreed with my earlier statements, did not like my tone
    (I was a new-boy) and so you decided to flex your authority. Am I right in
    guessing you are some kind of 'chaperone' for this group? You must be or
    else you would not be able to dispense you Papal authority thus:

    "If you [obey my instructions]... feel free to keep posting"

    The fact remains that the content of many posts on this group do not concern
    dotnet and many more can be construed as personal attacks. As I pointed out,
    although the irony was lost on you, these posts to me have contained
    implicits threats and certainly they did not concern dotnet. By your own
    standards you should be receiving puckered little mails from yourself.

    Jonny









  13. #13
    Patrick Steele Guest

    Re: At Last! Jonny Learns Something ...

    In article <3ad74dbc@news.devx.com> (from Jonny <jonny@joyofvb.com>),
    > Patrick
    >
    > > To me (IMO!), that's looking like a personal attack. If you want to
    > > continue to discussing VB.NET, bitwise operations, booleans, etc... feel
    > > free to keep posting.

    >
    > The truth is, you disagreed with my earlier statements


    Which statements? The ones about shaving a picosecond from your Altair
    800 test? I can't agree nor disagree about something which I have no
    knowledge.

    > , did not like my tone
    > (I was a new-boy) and so you decided to flex your authority.


    I have *no* authority here. I believe that's Phil Weber's job.

    > Am I right in
    > guessing you are some kind of 'chaperone' for this group?


    That would be an incorrect guess.

    > You must be or
    > else you would not be able to dispense you Papal authority thus:
    >
    > "If you [obey my instructions]... feel free to keep posting"


    It was not meant to infer any sort of "authority". I'm sorry if you
    interpreted it that way.

    > The fact remains that the content of many posts on this group do not concern
    > dotnet and many more can be construed as personal attacks.


    All the reason I tried to "devert" the issue of name-calling (Danny
    'Boy' Berkely) to the off.ramp. But, if I have offended you, I will
    refrain from such attempts.

    > As I pointed out,
    > although the irony was lost on you, these posts to me have contained
    > implicits threats and certainly they did not concern dotnet.


    Sorry, I didn't see anyone threatening you. And if they did, you've
    shown me that I should not comment on such issues...

    --
    Patrick Steele
    (psteele@ipdsolution.com)
    Lead Software Architect
    Image Process Design

  14. #14
    Mike Mitchell Guest

    Re: At Last! Jonny Learns Something ...

    On Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:50:17 -0400, Patrick Steele
    <psteele@ipdsolution.com_> wrote:

    >I've given up discussing things with Mike. It takes too long to read
    >his replies and they usually end up being about renting apartments or
    >getting his car fixed.


    Not all of them.

    MM

  15. #15
    Mike Mitchell Guest

    Re: At Last! Jonny Learns Something ...

    On Fri, 13 Apr 2001 07:34:46 -0700, "Phil Weber" <pweber@devx.com>
    wrote:

    >Mike: Wait. Who are we talking about? The above description sounds a lot
    >like you.


    Ah, you see, this reminds me of Corporal Jones in Dad's Army: "They
    don't like it up 'em!" (Actually, he was referring to the enemy, but
    if the cap fits...)

    MM

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