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  1. #1
    Jay Glynn Guest

    Re: VBClasic#.NET (OT)


    >improved. And the IDE that I use, although not perfect, beats the VB6 IDE
    >hands down and has for as many years that I've been using it. And I use
    >both daily for distributed computing.


    I'm currently evaluating Java IDE. Which one are you using?? Why do you think
    it is so good?

  2. #2
    Mark Guest

    Re: VBClasic#.NET (OT)


    "Jay Glynn" <jlsglynn@hotmail.com> wrote:
    >
    >>improved. And the IDE that I use, although not perfect, beats the VB6

    IDE
    >>hands down and has for as many years that I've been using it. And I use
    >>both daily for distributed computing.

    >
    >I'm currently evaluating Java IDE. Which one are you using?? Why do you

    think
    >it is so good?


    I was hoping to avoid mentioning that to avoid flaming. Plus, this is discussion
    is for VB.NET. I can email it to you or discuss it in a Java discussion.

    Mark

  3. #3
    Jay Glynn Guest

    Re: VBClasic#.NET (OT)


    >
    >I was hoping to avoid mentioning that to avoid flaming.


    Chicken ;-)

    >Plus, this is discussion
    >is for VB.NET. I can email it to you or discuss it in a Java discussion.
    >


    Email is fine. I'm just curious what others think...


  4. #4
    Aaron Sevivas Guest

    Re: VBClasic#.NET (OT)


    JBuilder wins hands down in my opinion..

    although I heard Together rocks (and has a price tag to match.. like $15000)..


    I'm using JBuilder personal version at work (I know, not supposed to..),
    it itegrates seamlessly with with many software systems which are on the
    perimeter of the project through the use of plugins.. U can find plugins
    that integrates source control systems (clearcase) into the ide.. ANT build
    utility, refactoring tools, weblogic specific EJB deployment descriptor utilities..
    etc.. jbuilder feels ALOT lighter than Forte in my opinion and has a much
    better code insight utility than Symantec's cafe (which, even in the enterprise
    version didn't show return types.. Its been a while since I 've seen cafe,
    so that might have changed).. I still haven't found GUI creator support
    in a Java IDE that comes close to the MS Visual Studio ide though.. Java
    GUIs stink anyways, in my opinion.. -(here we go..)


    "Jay Glynn" <jlsglynn@hotmail.com> wrote:
    >
    >>
    >>I was hoping to avoid mentioning that to avoid flaming.

    >
    >Chicken ;-)
    >
    >>Plus, this is discussion
    >>is for VB.NET. I can email it to you or discuss it in a Java discussion.
    >>

    >
    >Email is fine. I'm just curious what others think...
    >



  5. #5
    MarkN Guest

    Re: VBClasic#.NET (OT)


    >... in my opinion.. -(here we go..)


    And that is why I took my opinion offline. I feel the opposite about Java
    GUI. I can do more with Swing and much easier than I can do in VB and J++.
    Maybe others can't. I hope .Net will solve those issues when it is released.

    Mark


  6. #6
    Aaron Sevivas Guest

    Re: VBClasic#.NET (OT)




    "MarkN" <mnuttall@nospam.com> wrote:
    >And that is why I took my opinion offline. I feel the opposite about Java
    >GUI. I can do more with Swing and much easier than I can do in VB and J++.
    > Maybe others can't. I hope .Net will solve those issues when it is released.


    I'm curious. what is it, as it pertains to GUIs, that u can do easier in
    java than in vb6? Besides the fact u can have controls resize with forms
    :P

    The first thing that strikes VB programmers when writing java guis is the
    fact that theres hundreds of lines of code thats generated after writing
    just a mediocre in complexity gui. Number 2, all java guis feel nastily
    non-native. Their unresponsive and java controls lack intrinsic funcions
    that come natively to win32 controls (like right click menus.. u have to
    specifically code fuctions onto java controls.. vb2, but there are default
    behaviors u dont get in java).. just my $.02..
    ~aaron

  7. #7
    MarkN Guest

    Re: VBClasic#.NET (OT)


    BTW, I've used VB since the early 90's so I have had good experience with
    it.

    Are you talking about AWT or Swing? I don't care much for AWT.

    Anyway, yes, resizable forms - I consider it a tremendous advantage being
    able to using layout managers. Layout managers make it much easier to dynmically
    add controls to a 'form'. Also, I can create reusable components without
    having to deal with creating an ActiveX Control. I can model data without
    having copy it multiple times (MVC).

    I'm not saying Java GUI is perfect. There are things that drive me nuts.
    It comes down to what does one want to deal with.

    If you have a good Java IDE, it will "hide" most of the generated code from
    you (kind of like VB does). The upside is that I can change it if I need
    to. One can't in VB6.



  8. #8
    Steve Dee Guest

    Re: VBClasic#.NET (OT)

    > you (kind of like VB does). The upside is that I can change it if I need
    > to. One can't in VB6.


    Untrue. It's just not as obvious as Java.

    "MarkN" <mnuttall@nospam.com> wrote in message
    news:3bd00818$1@news.devx.com...
    >
    > BTW, I've used VB since the early 90's so I have had good experience with
    > it.
    >
    > Are you talking about AWT or Swing? I don't care much for AWT.
    >
    > Anyway, yes, resizable forms - I consider it a tremendous advantage being
    > able to using layout managers. Layout managers make it much easier to

    dynmically
    > add controls to a 'form'. Also, I can create reusable components without
    > having to deal with creating an ActiveX Control. I can model data without
    > having copy it multiple times (MVC).
    >
    > I'm not saying Java GUI is perfect. There are things that drive me nuts.
    > It comes down to what does one want to deal with.
    >
    > If you have a good Java IDE, it will "hide" most of the generated code

    from
    > you (kind of like VB does). The upside is that I can change it if I need
    > to. One can't in VB6.
    >
    >




  9. #9
    MarkN Guest

    Re: VBClasic#.NET (OT)


    Ok, if what you say is true, then not being obvious is better? MS doesn't
    seem to think so because it will be more obvious in .NET.

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