Released!

[Zane Thomas]

From the dotnet mailing list:

Wahoo! Yippee! Woohoo!

I'm thrilled to let you know that we've just posted FINAL bits of the
..NET Framework (SDK and redist) on MSDN. Stay tuned for more...

Here are the relevant links:

..NET Framework SDK
http://msdn.microsoft.com/downloads/...oads/sample.as
p?url=/msdn-files/027/000/976/msdncompositedoc.xml&frame=true

..NET Framework redist
http://msdn.microsoft.com/downloads/...oads/sample.as
p?url=/MSDN-FILES/027/001/829/msdncompositedoc.xml&frame=true

I can't begin to thank this group enough for all the support, great
feedback, and cheering that you've given us along the way. We couldn't
have done it without you!

-Sara

--
When freedom is outlawed
only outlaws will be free.

[Beginner]

Great news! Do you know if VS.NET is out yet?

zane@mabry.com (Zane Thomas) wrote:
>
>From the dotnet mailing list:
>
>Wahoo! Yippee! Woohoo!
>
>I'm thrilled to let you know that we've just posted FINAL bits of the
>..NET Framework (SDK and redist) on MSDN. Stay tuned for more...
>
>Here are the relevant links:
>
>..NET Framework SDK
>http://msdn.microsoft.com/downloads/...oads/sample.as
>p?url=/msdn-files/027/000/976/msdncompositedoc.xml&frame=true
>
>..NET Framework redist
>http://msdn.microsoft.com/downloads/...oads/sample.as
>p?url=/MSDN-FILES/027/001/829/msdncompositedoc.xml&frame=true
>
>I can't begin to thank this group enough for all the support, great
>feedback, and cheering that you've given us along the way. We couldn't
>have done it without you!
>
>-Sara
>
>--
>When freedom is outlawed
>only outlaws will be free.

[Zane Thomas]

On 16 Jan 2002 01:46:36 GMT, "Beginner" <a@b.com> wrote:

>Do you know if VS.NET is out yet?

Yep, it's out.


--
When freedom is outlawed
only outlaws will be free.

[Who Cares?]

"Zane Thomas" <zane@mabry.com> wrote in message
news:3c6bfd93.74994812@news.devx.com...
> On 16 Jan 2002 01:46:36 GMT, "Beginner" <a@b.com> wrote:
>
> >Do you know if VS.NET is out yet?
>
> Yep, it's out.


I sure hope VS.NET never needs any patches.
http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200...html?tag=mn_hd

Or that you have to provide a valid ID to get it.
http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200...html?tag=mn_hd

Microsoft - The Bill Clinton of Software.

[Zane Thomas]

"Who Cares?",

> I sure hope VS.NET never needs any patches.
> http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200...html?tag=mn_hd
>
> Or that you have to provide a valid ID to get it.
> http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200...html?tag=mn_hd


Those articles don't have F*ck All to do with VS.NET and if you don't know
it you're pretty dense, kinda like a truckload of rocks.

It's over, it's released, run along and play on the train-tracks now ok,
the trains on its way.


--
When freedom is outlawed
only outlaws will be free.

[Who Cares?]

"Zane Thomas" <zane@mabry.com> wrote in message
news:3c761c77.82903593@news.devx.com...
>
> Those articles don't have F*ck All to do with VS.NET and if you don't know
> it you're pretty dense, kinda like a truckload of rocks.


Tsk, tsk, insults are often the sign of a losing argument.


> It's over, it's released, run along and play on the train-tracks now ok,
> the trains on its way.


Bu are we talking about the same trains?


https://www.latimes.com/business/la-...la-headlines-b
usiness-manual
"lawmakers should consider ending Microsoft's and other
software companies' special protection from product liability
lawsuits"


http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/cn/2002...e_to_come__1.h
tml
"I feel pretty uneasy about depending on them when so
often their services have gone down for days"


http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/cmp/200...03s0004_1.html
"Experts foresee more mass-mailing viruses in 2002" Gulp!



You know what's really funny, Zane? I don't even *search*
for these articles. They're just always there, two or three,
each day, on sites that I normally read for work.

[Patrick Troughton]

"Who Cares?" <venetian7@home.net> wrote:
>
>"Zane Thomas" <zane@mabry.com> wrote in message
>news:3c761c77.82903593@news.devx.com...
>>
>> Those articles don't have F*ck All to do with VS.NET and if you don't
know
>> it you're pretty dense, kinda like a truckload of rocks.
>
>
> Tsk, tsk, insults are often the sign of a losing argument.

Or loss of patience because the other side is so out of touch they refuse
to listen to reason.

/Pat

[Vinny]

I noticed that the dist. version of the framework is roughly 21mbs.
and since you NEED the framwork to run .Net apps, what is microsoft planning
on doing to get the average computer user to download/install the framework?
and if you are on a 56k, 21mbs is allot! This could hinder the ditribution
of shareware and freeware .Net applications. Imagine making a 1mb exe, and
the end user has to download a 21mb file to run a 1 mb file....

well, MS could Massively mail CDs to houses all over the place like AOL did
with diskets and CDs for a long time, but the average user would not know
what the **** .Net is, and why would they install it?

The only way i could see it, is if they provide it in a service pack, but
then again, does your gramma look for service packs? i know mine doesnt...

maybe package it up with another application...IE maybe? my gramma, being a
Internet freak, would prob install it...

im just curious....

Vinny

Patrick Troughton <Patrick@Troughton.com> wrote in message
news:3c458661$1@147.208.176.211...
>
> "Who Cares?" <venetian7@home.net> wrote:
> >
> >"Zane Thomas" <zane@mabry.com> wrote in message
> >news:3c761c77.82903593@news.devx.com...
> >>
> >> Those articles don't have F*ck All to do with VS.NET and if you don't
> know
> >> it you're pretty dense, kinda like a truckload of rocks.
> >
> >
> > Tsk, tsk, insults are often the sign of a losing argument.
>
> Or loss of patience because the other side is so out of touch they refuse
> to listen to reason.
>
> /Pat
>

[David Rothgery]

"Vinny" <vad@stgroup.net> wrote in message news:3c459e7b@147.208.176.211...
> maybe package it up with another application...IE maybe? my gramma, being
a
> Internet freak, would prob install it...

My guess is that Microsoft will distribute the .NET framework like they do
IE -- they'll include it with everything else they ship (Windows, IE,
Office, and darn near everything else), whether it needs it or not. And
they'll probably do a minor rev of Win XP later this year (even if just an
OEM service pack like Win95 SR2) mostly so that all new PCs have it.


--
Dave Rothgery
david_rothgery@stratagene.com

[Dave Lewis]

<snip>

> My guess is that Microsoft will distribute the .NET framework like they do
> IE -- they'll include it with everything else they ship (Windows, IE,
> Office, and darn near everything else), whether it needs it or not. And
> they'll probably do a minor rev of Win XP later this year (even if just an
> OEM service pack like Win95 SR2) mostly so that all new PCs have it.

I would think that would be pretty accurate. If you look at the file
list for something like Win ME or Win 2K they have the VB 5&6 runtimes
in them, plus MFC and VC runtime DLLs. So does IE5 (maybe even 4.5)
onwards and I would guess that Office actually needs those, so it has
them too.

My own personal feeling is that MS should write IE7 & OE7 as .NET apps -
it would be a good way to prove the technology for one thing - and that
way, if people wanted the next version (and they usually do) they would
have to download it or grab a CD with it on (which are almost as common
as AOL CDs). That would kill at least two birds with just the one stone

Dave Lewis

[Rob Teixeira]

I heard rumors a few months ago that it might also be available on the Windows
Update feature.

-Rob

zane@mabry.com (Zane Thomas) wrote:
>On Wed, 16 Jan 2002 11:46:09 -0500, "Vinny" <vad@stgroup.net> wrote:
>
>>maybe package it up with another application...IE maybe?
>
>And office and operating systems and everything else they can possibly put
>it on, that'd be my guess.
>
>
>--
>When freedom is outlawed
>only outlaws will be free.

[Vinny]

Even with all of this, i think that it will be quite a task for MS.
I also think that there will be a null point in the migration of these
apps...

For .Net apps to become popular, so does the .Net framework....



Dave Lewis <user@example.net> wrote in message
news:3C45B4B1.6020509@example.net...
> <snip>
>
> > My guess is that Microsoft will distribute the .NET framework like they
do
> > IE -- they'll include it with everything else they ship (Windows, IE,
> > Office, and darn near everything else), whether it needs it or not. And
> > they'll probably do a minor rev of Win XP later this year (even if just
an
> > OEM service pack like Win95 SR2) mostly so that all new PCs have it.
>
> I would think that would be pretty accurate. If you look at the file
> list for something like Win ME or Win 2K they have the VB 5&6 runtimes
> in them, plus MFC and VC runtime DLLs. So does IE5 (maybe even 4.5)
> onwards and I would guess that Office actually needs those, so it has
> them too.
>
> My own personal feeling is that MS should write IE7 & OE7 as .NET apps -
> it would be a good way to prove the technology for one thing - and that
> way, if people wanted the next version (and they usually do) they would
> have to download it or grab a CD with it on (which are almost as common
> as AOL CDs). That would kill at least two birds with just the one stone

>
> Dave Lewis
>

[Kunle Odutola]

"Vinny" <vad@stgroup.net> wrote in message news:3c45b390@147.208.176.211...
> Even with all of this, i think that it will be quite a task for MS.
> I also think that there will be a null point in the migration of these
> apps...
>
> For .Net apps to become popular, so does the .Net framework....

Not really. You can include the redist on your product's CD. As for small
mobile code that is usually downloaded, you have a point.

Kunle

[Zane Thomas]

On Wed, 16 Jan 2002 11:46:09 -0500, "Vinny" <vad@stgroup.net> wrote:

>maybe package it up with another application...IE maybe?

And office and operating systems and everything else they can possibly put
it on, that'd be my guess.


--
When freedom is outlawed
only outlaws will be free.

[Kunle Odutola]

"Zane Thomas" <zane@mabry.com> wrote in message
news:3c91d16c.129228109@news.devx.com...
> On Wed, 16 Jan 2002 11:46:09 -0500, "Vinny" <vad@stgroup.net> wrote:
>
> >maybe package it up with another application...IE maybe?
>
> And office and operating systems and everything else they can possibly put
> it on, that'd be my guess.

Xbox? HomeStation? Stinger? ;-)

Kunle