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  1. #1
    Zane Thomas Guest

    Released!


    From the dotnet mailing list:

    Wahoo! Yippee! Woohoo!

    I'm thrilled to let you know that we've just posted FINAL bits of the
    ..NET Framework (SDK and redist) on MSDN. Stay tuned for more...

    Here are the relevant links:

    ..NET Framework SDK
    http://msdn.microsoft.com/downloads/...oads/sample.as
    p?url=/msdn-files/027/000/976/msdncompositedoc.xml&frame=true

    ..NET Framework redist
    http://msdn.microsoft.com/downloads/...oads/sample.as
    p?url=/MSDN-FILES/027/001/829/msdncompositedoc.xml&frame=true

    I can't begin to thank this group enough for all the support, great
    feedback, and cheering that you've given us along the way. We couldn't
    have done it without you!

    -Sara

    --
    When freedom is outlawed
    only outlaws will be free.

  2. #2
    Beginner Guest

    Re: Released!


    Great news! Do you know if VS.NET is out yet?

    zane@mabry.com (Zane Thomas) wrote:
    >
    >From the dotnet mailing list:
    >
    >Wahoo! Yippee! Woohoo!
    >
    >I'm thrilled to let you know that we've just posted FINAL bits of the
    >..NET Framework (SDK and redist) on MSDN. Stay tuned for more...
    >
    >Here are the relevant links:
    >
    >..NET Framework SDK
    >http://msdn.microsoft.com/downloads/...oads/sample.as
    >p?url=/msdn-files/027/000/976/msdncompositedoc.xml&frame=true
    >
    >..NET Framework redist
    >http://msdn.microsoft.com/downloads/...oads/sample.as
    >p?url=/MSDN-FILES/027/001/829/msdncompositedoc.xml&frame=true
    >
    >I can't begin to thank this group enough for all the support, great
    >feedback, and cheering that you've given us along the way. We couldn't
    >have done it without you!
    >
    >-Sara
    >
    >--
    >When freedom is outlawed
    >only outlaws will be free.



  3. #3
    Zane Thomas Guest

    Re: Released!

    On 16 Jan 2002 01:46:36 GMT, "Beginner" <a@b.com> wrote:

    >Do you know if VS.NET is out yet?


    Yep, it's out.


    --
    When freedom is outlawed
    only outlaws will be free.

  4. #4
    Who Cares? Guest

    Re: Released!

    "Zane Thomas" <zane@mabry.com> wrote in message
    news:3c6bfd93.74994812@news.devx.com...
    > On 16 Jan 2002 01:46:36 GMT, "Beginner" <a@b.com> wrote:
    >
    > >Do you know if VS.NET is out yet?

    >
    > Yep, it's out.



    I sure hope VS.NET never needs any patches.
    http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200...html?tag=mn_hd

    Or that you have to provide a valid ID to get it.
    http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200...html?tag=mn_hd

    Microsoft - The Bill Clinton of Software.






  5. #5
    Zane Thomas Guest

    Re: Released!

    "Who Cares?",

    > I sure hope VS.NET never needs any patches.
    > http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200...html?tag=mn_hd
    >
    > Or that you have to provide a valid ID to get it.
    > http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200...html?tag=mn_hd



    Those articles don't have F*ck All to do with VS.NET and if you don't know
    it you're pretty dense, kinda like a truckload of rocks.

    It's over, it's released, run along and play on the train-tracks now ok,
    the trains on its way.


    --
    When freedom is outlawed
    only outlaws will be free.

  6. #6
    Who Cares? Guest

    Re: Released!


    "Zane Thomas" <zane@mabry.com> wrote in message
    news:3c761c77.82903593@news.devx.com...
    >
    > Those articles don't have F*ck All to do with VS.NET and if you don't know
    > it you're pretty dense, kinda like a truckload of rocks.



    Tsk, tsk, insults are often the sign of a losing argument.


    > It's over, it's released, run along and play on the train-tracks now ok,
    > the trains on its way.



    Bu are we talking about the same trains?


    https://www.latimes.com/business/la-...la-headlines-b
    usiness-manual
    "lawmakers should consider ending Microsoft's and other
    software companies' special protection from product liability
    lawsuits"


    http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/cn/2002...e_to_come__1.h
    tml
    "I feel pretty uneasy about depending on them when so
    often their services have gone down for days"


    http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/cmp/200...03s0004_1.html
    "Experts foresee more mass-mailing viruses in 2002" Gulp!



    You know what's really funny, Zane? I don't even *search*
    for these articles. They're just always there, two or three,
    each day, on sites that I normally read for work.




  7. #7
    Patrick Troughton Guest

    Re: Released!


    "Who Cares?" <venetian7@home.net> wrote:
    >
    >"Zane Thomas" <zane@mabry.com> wrote in message
    >news:3c761c77.82903593@news.devx.com...
    >>
    >> Those articles don't have F*ck All to do with VS.NET and if you don't

    know
    >> it you're pretty dense, kinda like a truckload of rocks.

    >
    >
    > Tsk, tsk, insults are often the sign of a losing argument.


    Or loss of patience because the other side is so out of touch they refuse
    to listen to reason.

    /Pat


  8. #8
    Vinny Guest

    Re: Released!

    I noticed that the dist. version of the framework is roughly 21mbs.
    and since you NEED the framwork to run .Net apps, what is microsoft planning
    on doing to get the average computer user to download/install the framework?
    and if you are on a 56k, 21mbs is allot! This could hinder the ditribution
    of shareware and freeware .Net applications. Imagine making a 1mb exe, and
    the end user has to download a 21mb file to run a 1 mb file....

    well, MS could Massively mail CDs to houses all over the place like AOL did
    with diskets and CDs for a long time, but the average user would not know
    what the **** .Net is, and why would they install it?

    The only way i could see it, is if they provide it in a service pack, but
    then again, does your gramma look for service packs? i know mine doesnt...

    maybe package it up with another application...IE maybe? my gramma, being a
    Internet freak, would prob install it...

    im just curious....

    Vinny

    Patrick Troughton <Patrick@Troughton.com> wrote in message
    news:3c458661$1@147.208.176.211...
    >
    > "Who Cares?" <venetian7@home.net> wrote:
    > >
    > >"Zane Thomas" <zane@mabry.com> wrote in message
    > >news:3c761c77.82903593@news.devx.com...
    > >>
    > >> Those articles don't have F*ck All to do with VS.NET and if you don't

    > know
    > >> it you're pretty dense, kinda like a truckload of rocks.

    > >
    > >
    > > Tsk, tsk, insults are often the sign of a losing argument.

    >
    > Or loss of patience because the other side is so out of touch they refuse
    > to listen to reason.
    >
    > /Pat
    >




  9. #9
    David Rothgery Guest

    Re: Released!


    "Vinny" <vad@stgroup.net> wrote in message news:3c459e7b@147.208.176.211...
    > maybe package it up with another application...IE maybe? my gramma, being

    a
    > Internet freak, would prob install it...


    My guess is that Microsoft will distribute the .NET framework like they do
    IE -- they'll include it with everything else they ship (Windows, IE,
    Office, and darn near everything else), whether it needs it or not. And
    they'll probably do a minor rev of Win XP later this year (even if just an
    OEM service pack like Win95 SR2) mostly so that all new PCs have it.


    --
    Dave Rothgery
    david_rothgery@stratagene.com



  10. #10
    Dave Lewis Guest

    Re: Released!

    <snip>

    > My guess is that Microsoft will distribute the .NET framework like they do
    > IE -- they'll include it with everything else they ship (Windows, IE,
    > Office, and darn near everything else), whether it needs it or not. And
    > they'll probably do a minor rev of Win XP later this year (even if just an
    > OEM service pack like Win95 SR2) mostly so that all new PCs have it.


    I would think that would be pretty accurate. If you look at the file
    list for something like Win ME or Win 2K they have the VB 5&6 runtimes
    in them, plus MFC and VC runtime DLLs. So does IE5 (maybe even 4.5)
    onwards and I would guess that Office actually needs those, so it has
    them too.

    My own personal feeling is that MS should write IE7 & OE7 as .NET apps -
    it would be a good way to prove the technology for one thing - and that
    way, if people wanted the next version (and they usually do) they would
    have to download it or grab a CD with it on (which are almost as common
    as AOL CDs). That would kill at least two birds with just the one stone

    Dave Lewis


  11. #11
    Rob Teixeira Guest

    Re: Released!



    I heard rumors a few months ago that it might also be available on the Windows
    Update feature.

    -Rob

    zane@mabry.com (Zane Thomas) wrote:
    >On Wed, 16 Jan 2002 11:46:09 -0500, "Vinny" <vad@stgroup.net> wrote:
    >
    >>maybe package it up with another application...IE maybe?

    >
    >And office and operating systems and everything else they can possibly put
    >it on, that'd be my guess.
    >
    >
    >--
    >When freedom is outlawed
    >only outlaws will be free.



  12. #12
    Vinny Guest

    Re: Released!

    Even with all of this, i think that it will be quite a task for MS.
    I also think that there will be a null point in the migration of these
    apps...

    For .Net apps to become popular, so does the .Net framework....



    Dave Lewis <user@example.net> wrote in message
    news:3C45B4B1.6020509@example.net...
    > <snip>
    >
    > > My guess is that Microsoft will distribute the .NET framework like they

    do
    > > IE -- they'll include it with everything else they ship (Windows, IE,
    > > Office, and darn near everything else), whether it needs it or not. And
    > > they'll probably do a minor rev of Win XP later this year (even if just

    an
    > > OEM service pack like Win95 SR2) mostly so that all new PCs have it.

    >
    > I would think that would be pretty accurate. If you look at the file
    > list for something like Win ME or Win 2K they have the VB 5&6 runtimes
    > in them, plus MFC and VC runtime DLLs. So does IE5 (maybe even 4.5)
    > onwards and I would guess that Office actually needs those, so it has
    > them too.
    >
    > My own personal feeling is that MS should write IE7 & OE7 as .NET apps -
    > it would be a good way to prove the technology for one thing - and that
    > way, if people wanted the next version (and they usually do) they would
    > have to download it or grab a CD with it on (which are almost as common
    > as AOL CDs). That would kill at least two birds with just the one stone


    >
    > Dave Lewis
    >




  13. #13
    Kunle Odutola Guest

    Re: Released!


    "Vinny" <vad@stgroup.net> wrote in message news:3c45b390@147.208.176.211...
    > Even with all of this, i think that it will be quite a task for MS.
    > I also think that there will be a null point in the migration of these
    > apps...
    >
    > For .Net apps to become popular, so does the .Net framework....


    Not really. You can include the redist on your product's CD. As for small
    mobile code that is usually downloaded, you have a point.

    Kunle




  14. #14
    Zane Thomas Guest

    Re: Released!

    On Wed, 16 Jan 2002 11:46:09 -0500, "Vinny" <vad@stgroup.net> wrote:

    >maybe package it up with another application...IE maybe?


    And office and operating systems and everything else they can possibly put
    it on, that'd be my guess.


    --
    When freedom is outlawed
    only outlaws will be free.

  15. #15
    Kunle Odutola Guest

    Re: Released!


    "Zane Thomas" <zane@mabry.com> wrote in message
    news:3c91d16c.129228109@news.devx.com...
    > On Wed, 16 Jan 2002 11:46:09 -0500, "Vinny" <vad@stgroup.net> wrote:
    >
    > >maybe package it up with another application...IE maybe?

    >
    > And office and operating systems and everything else they can possibly put
    > it on, that'd be my guess.


    Xbox? HomeStation? Stinger? ;-)

    Kunle


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