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  1. #1
    mark Guest

    please tell me i'm wrong!


    Hi All,
    I have just loaded VS.net wrote my first trial c# app, and built a deployment
    set... and got a HUGE shock.
    am i wrong, or do i need to have my users download a 20MG file (dotnetfx.exe)
    just to run a "hello world" app????
    surely i am wrong, who will adopt this platform if there is a 20 MG isntallation
    hit for the first .Net app?
    help!!

  2. #2
    Shrek Guest

    Re: please tell me i'm wrong!

    I read that later Microsoft OS will have the .NET framework included. Also
    apparently it is planned to be part of WinXP Service Packs.

    "mark" <mkillmer@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3c9ffb66$1@10.1.10.29...
    >
    > Hi All,
    > I have just loaded VS.net wrote my first trial c# app, and built a

    deployment
    > set... and got a HUGE shock.
    > am i wrong, or do i need to have my users download a 20MG file

    (dotnetfx.exe)
    > just to run a "hello world" app????
    > surely i am wrong, who will adopt this platform if there is a 20 MG

    isntallation
    > hit for the first .Net app?
    > help!!




  3. #3
    Kunle Odutola Guest

    Re: please tell me i'm wrong!


    "mark" <mkillmer@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3c9ffb66$1@10.1.10.29...
    >
    > Hi All,
    > I have just loaded VS.net wrote my first trial c# app, and built a

    deployment
    > set... and got a HUGE shock.
    > am i wrong, or do i need to have my users download a 20MG file

    (dotnetfx.exe)
    > just to run a "hello world" app????


    You users will need to install the .NET runtime redistributable at a
    minimum. And yes it is a 20MB image. It is similar to the requirement for
    either the JRE or the JDK before you can run Java applications.

    > surely i am wrong, who will adopt this platform if there is a 20 MG

    isntallation
    > hit for the first .Net app?


    My personal opinion is that the benefits of .NET as a development and
    runtime platform outweight the discomfort of needing the 20MB runtime. MS
    has plans to ensure the 20MB file is as widely distributed as it's OSes or
    IE but only time will tell how aggressively MS pursues this.

    Kunle



  4. #4
    kikidu Guest

    Re: please tell me i'm wrong!



    Mark,

    Are you serious about distributing your "hello world" app? I mean are your
    users willing to buy your app if you get a 10 KB runtime?

    >Hi All,
    >I have just loaded VS.net wrote my first trial c# app, and built a deployment
    >set... and got a HUGE shock.
    >am i wrong, or do i need to have my users download a 20MG file (dotnetfx.exe)
    >just to run a "hello world" app????
    >surely i am wrong, who will adopt this platform if there is a 20 MG isntallation
    >hit for the first .Net app?
    >help!!



  5. #5
    James Guest

    Re: please tell me i'm wrong!


    That was my initial concern but having given more thought to it, I don’t think
    that the size of the .NET Framework is necessarily a great issue, after all
    most software is distributed on CD so an extra 20mb shouldn’t be a problem.
    Most corporations have a ‘standard build’ for their PCs. For example, I once
    worked for a company who’s standard build included the installation of the
    VB runtime files and ADO 2.1 onto all their PCs. How are you proposing to
    distribute you application and how do you do it at present and what size
    is it?

    Once an application (when compressed) is larger than the limits of 1.44 mb
    (floppy disk size) and 2-3 mb (email attachment limit) it really makes no
    real difference if the distribution size is 6,10 20 mb. As already pointed
    out, the Java runtime environment is 10 mb (compressed) which isn't distributed
    with Windows XP I believe.

    The big issues are: can PCs where I’m deploying my application install the
    .NET framework and what will the impact be (e.g. will it slow the machine?);
    will it affect any applications already installed; and knowing what the current
    issues/bugs are (and their solutions) with installing the framework.


    "mark" <mkillmer@hotmail.com> wrote:
    >
    >Hi All,
    >I have just loaded VS.net wrote my first trial c# app, and built a deployment
    >set... and got a HUGE shock.
    >am i wrong, or do i need to have my users download a 20MG file (dotnetfx.exe)
    >just to run a "hello world" app????
    >surely i am wrong, who will adopt this platform if there is a 20 MG isntallation
    >hit for the first .Net app?
    >help!!



  6. #6
    llamativo Guest

    Re: please tell me i'm wrong!


    You can think of Microsoft including the .NET Framework with the next OpSys
    as an extension of OpSys services. What's another 20MB in Windows 2000 which
    already consumes over 1 Gig of my hard drive!?!?

    "mark" <mkillmer@hotmail.com> wrote:
    >
    >Hi All,
    >I have just loaded VS.net wrote my first trial c# app, and built a deployment
    >set... and got a HUGE shock.
    >am i wrong, or do i need to have my users download a 20MG file (dotnetfx.exe)
    >just to run a "hello world" app????
    >surely i am wrong, who will adopt this platform if there is a 20 MG isntallation
    >hit for the first .Net app?
    >help!!



  7. #7
    Shrek Guest

    Re: please tell me i'm wrong!

    Does anybody know how long it takes to install that 20MB something? I hope
    it does not take too long. I installed Visual C# standard edition on a
    1.8GHz Pentium 4, and I believe it took over 1 hour.


    "mark" <mkillmer@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3c9ffb66$1@10.1.10.29...
    >
    > Hi All,
    > I have just loaded VS.net wrote my first trial c# app, and built a

    deployment
    > set... and got a HUGE shock.
    > am i wrong, or do i need to have my users download a 20MG file

    (dotnetfx.exe)
    > just to run a "hello world" app????
    > surely i am wrong, who will adopt this platform if there is a 20 MG

    isntallation
    > hit for the first .Net app?
    > help!!




  8. #8
    Jay Glynn Guest

    Re: please tell me i'm wrong!

    Installing just the runtime takes a couple of minutes on an average machine.
    I think it took longer to instal MDAC.

    "Shrek" <shrek@z> wrote in message news:3ca2b1ab@10.1.10.29...
    > Does anybody know how long it takes to install that 20MB something? I hope
    > it does not take too long. I installed Visual C# standard edition on a
    > 1.8GHz Pentium 4, and I believe it took over 1 hour.
    >





  9. #9
    Shrek Guest

    Re: please tell me i'm wrong!

    Thanks for the info.

    "Jay Glynn" <jlsglynn@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:3ca2f810@10.1.10.29...
    > Installing just the runtime takes a couple of minutes on an average

    machine.
    > I think it took longer to instal MDAC.
    >
    > "Shrek" <shrek@z> wrote in message news:3ca2b1ab@10.1.10.29...
    > > Does anybody know how long it takes to install that 20MB something? I

    hope
    > > it does not take too long. I installed Visual C# standard edition on a
    > > 1.8GHz Pentium 4, and I believe it took over 1 hour.
    > >

    >
    >
    >




  10. #10
    max caber Guest

    Re: please tell me i'm wrong!


    "Kunle Odutola" <kunle.odutola@<REMOVETHIS>okocha.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
    >MS
    >has plans to ensure the 20MB file is as widely distributed as it's OSes

    or
    >IE but only time will tell how aggressively MS pursues this.


    I just went to http://www.microsoft.com/downloads to look for(dotnetfx.exe).
    I saw the install for directX and the Java VM, but no(dotnetfx.exe)!
    Sun has had an <object> tag for applets, that you can embed in an html page,
    and it will install the Java VM on the end user's machine. Why hasn't MS
    made the .NET install easier to find?

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