is it me..or have things gone real quiet?

[John Butler]

I've been away from the group for a few weeks (engaged in a heavy ASP.NET
project for a client) and returning...everything seems...well a little
quiet.

Is everyone shouted out or tired or what?

I guess every forum gets "discussion fatigue" every now and then...but c'mon
guys & gals wake up!!!

Either the above...or everyone is happily coding away in vb.net (or C#
<gulp> ) and has nothing to say any more....say it isn't so!

rgds
John Butler

[Tom Bennet]

While you were out MS declared they had stolen the .Net idea from Sun and
they had for years been making it impossible for anyone to compete on the
intel platform. The good news is that they have agreed to give everyone
their money back.

We're all now porting our apps to java.

You better get started too or you'll fall behind

Bet you wish you had kept your mouth shut

"John Butler" <nospamjrbutler@btinternet.com> wrote:
>Is everyone shouted out or tired or what?
>
>I guess every forum gets "discussion fatigue" every now and then...but c'mon
>guys & gals wake up!!!
>
>Either the above...or everyone is happily coding away in vb.net (or C#

><gulp> ) and has nothing to say any more....say it isn't so!
>
>rgds
>John Butler
>
>
>
>
>

[Zane Thomas]

On Fri, 10 May 2002 23:29:30 +0100, "John Butler"
<nospamjrbutler@btinternet.com> wrote:

>engaged in a heavy ASP.NET project for a client

Talk to me about asp.net controls:

Did you use any?

Yes: What did you like and dislike about them?
No: Why not?

Did you or someone on the project write any controls?

Are the controls you would have liked to have but couldn't find?

Any other comments about asp.net server controls?


btw, welcome back, it has been much less rowdy lately :-)



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[Rob Teixeira]

"John Butler" <nospamjrbutler@btinternet.com> wrote:
>I've been away from the group for a few weeks (engaged in a heavy ASP.NET
>project for a client) and returning...everything seems...well a little
>quiet.
>
>Is everyone shouted out or tired or what?

How many times can you rehash the same half-dozen topics?

>I guess every forum gets "discussion fatigue" every now and then...but c'mon
>guys & gals wake up!!!
>
>Either the above...or everyone is happily coding away in vb.net (or C#
><gulp> ) and has nothing to say any more....say it isn't so!

Until we get some new topics, yeah, that about sums it up.

-Rob

[Rob Teixeira]

Hey Zane,
welcome back to you too.
Nice topic, BTW.

zane@mabry.com (Zane Thomas) wrote:
>On Fri, 10 May 2002 23:29:30 +0100, "John Butler"
><nospamjrbutler@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>>engaged in a heavy ASP.NET project for a client
>
>Talk to me about asp.net controls:
>
>Did you use any?

Using quite a few right now.

> Yes: What did you like and dislike about them?
> No: Why not?
>
>Did you or someone on the project write any controls?

Yes and yes
We have a custom-looking toolbar/menu piece that gets presented on many of
the pages. That's the biggest one. Others mostly take some common-look-and-feel
pieces and centralizes them. The caching aspect is really nice too.

>Are the controls you would have liked to have but couldn't find?

A **** tab control
Well, not in the original framework anyway.

>Any other comments about asp.net server controls?

I wish they had made it as easy to localize server controls as they did with
windows forms. Unfortunately, you have to hook this up from the resources
yourself. Not that it's very difficult to do, but it would have been nice
if this were added already.

-Rob

[Zane Thomas]

On 13 May 2002 06:41:28 -0800, "Rob Teixeira" <RobTeixeira@@msn.com>
wrote:

>We have a custom-looking toolbar/menu piece that gets presented on many of
>the pages.

Is that on a publicly accessible website?


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[Kevin Moore]

Hi,

Not to jump in the middle of a discussion here, but we are just finishing
up an asp.net application and we also utilize user controls extensively.
Some for standard menu type functionality, others for commonly re-used code/ui
blocks. I must add that the user control, from the asp.net POV, is one of,
if not the best improvement MS did with asp.net.

Just my .02

Kevin

zane@mabry.com (Zane Thomas) wrote:
>On 13 May 2002 06:41:28 -0800, "Rob Teixeira" <RobTeixeira@@msn.com>
>wrote:
>
>>We have a custom-looking toolbar/menu piece that gets presented on many
of
>>the pages.
>
>Is that on a publicly accessible website?
>
>
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>Turn on, tune in, download.
>zane@mvps.org

[Zane Thomas]

On 13 May 2002 09:30:00 -0800, "Kevin Moore" <Kevin@MooreSSI.com> wrote:

>Not to jump in the middle of a discussion here ...

Why not? :-)

>... but we are just finishing
>up an asp.net application and we also utilize user controls extensively.
>Some for standard menu type functionality, others for commonly re-used code/ui
>blocks.

Did you build or buy? I'm interested in knowing what sorts of asp.net
components people are needing.

>I must add that the user control, from the asp.net POV, is one of,
>if not the best improvement MS did with asp.net.

There are a lot of things to like about asp.net, user controls are
certainly right up there somewhere in the top of the list.


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[Zane Thomas]

On 13 May 2002 10:05:23 -0800, "Rob Teixeira" <RobTeixeira@@msn.com>
wrote:

>However, there's nothing proprietary about that toolbar/menu code, so I might
>post an example based on it somewhere when I get some time to sort it out.

Cool - in the meantime you can email me a copy. :-)


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[Rob Teixeira]

Not yet

Actually, the company is in the middle of deciding how to handle the channel
in terms of end user-reseller-distributor models (who gets to do what with
whom). So there's still a chance the site will be B2B only.

However, there's nothing proprietary about that toolbar/menu code, so I might
post an example based on it somewhere when I get some time to sort it out.

-Rob

zane@mabry.com (Zane Thomas) wrote:
>On 13 May 2002 06:41:28 -0800, "Rob Teixeira" <RobTeixeira@@msn.com>
>wrote:
>
>>We have a custom-looking toolbar/menu piece that gets presented on many
of
>>the pages.
>
>Is that on a publicly accessible website?
>
>
>--
>Turn on, tune in, download.
>zane@mvps.org

[Robert Lantry]

Honestly, VB.NET is here and there's nothing left to argue about. People
who want to stick their heads in the sand, call MS names and generally
disparage the tool, are the same wonks pushing the same "visionary" opinions
since the beginning of open beta.

Also, the fact that just about every .Not in here makes up crap (read: lies
outright), whines about MS and then proceeds for 40 or 50 posts to continue
to support their delusions (changing history, definitions and anything else
to help drive .NET's insane) - is a silly, indulgent waste of time.

I've recently started interviewing for new jobs. Every one of them has had
a .NET requirement. Most of them are entirely new implementations. A
couple of them are ports. .NET is here to stay. I'm productive in it. I'm
happy. Apparently my potential employers are happy.

The .Not's are going to stay .Not's until circumstance or chance or
lightning strikes and they finally realize that the world didn't flip
***-over-teacups. Same work, different day. Same problems, new tools.
Same deadlines, better design patterns.

And if they never figure it out? What do I care? Less competition for me.
Yay. Let 'em go be truck drivers or something. I have no sympathy (or even
understanding) for people who think it productive to bet against Microsoft
and purposefully shoot themselves in the foot when the effort to learn is
neither great nor the concepts alien, and the payoff at least makes them as
competitive as the next guy.

--

-Robert

Have a cow, man:
http://www.riddleme.com/html/cow.html


"John Butler" <nospamjrbutler@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:3cdc4599@10.1.10.29...
> I've been away from the group for a few weeks (engaged in a heavy ASP.NET
> project for a client) and returning...everything seems...well a little
> quiet.
>
> Is everyone shouted out or tired or what?
>
> I guess every forum gets "discussion fatigue" every now and then...but
c'mon
> guys & gals wake up!!!
>
> Either the above...or everyone is happily coding away in vb.net (or C#
> <gulp> ) and has nothing to say any more....say it isn't so!
>
> rgds
> John Butler
>
>
>
>
>

[Tim Hitchings \(Infragistics\)]

Try the tab control here:
http://www.infragistics.com/products...rawebsuite.asp
e-mail me if you find it lacking.

"Rob Teixeira" <RobTeixeira@@msn.com> wrote in message
news:3cdfc288$1@10.1.10.29...
> >Are the controls you would have liked to have but couldn't find?
>
> A **** tab control

[Zane Thomas]

Tim,

Hi! :-)


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[Mike Mitchell]

On Mon, 13 May 2002 12:28:02 -0700, "Robert Lantry" <mirth@mirthy.com>
wrote:

>And if they never figure it out? What do I care? Less competition for me.
>Yay. Let 'em go be truck drivers or something. I have no sympathy (or even
>understanding) for people who think it productive to bet against Microsoft
>and purposefully shoot themselves in the foot when the effort to learn is
>neither great nor the concepts alien, and the payoff at least makes them as
>competitive as the next guy.

Well, if you *don't* understand, then you don't comprehend other
people's sensibilities. By all means, gorge on .Net. Knock yourself
out! I have other alternatives and I expect very many will as well.

MM

[Robert Lantry]

Then why are you here?

--

-Robert

Have a cow, man:
http://www.riddleme.com/html/cow.html


"Mike Mitchell" <kylix_is@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3ce01f0e.49921884@news.devx.com...
> On Mon, 13 May 2002 12:28:02 -0700, "Robert Lantry" <mirth@mirthy.com>
> wrote:
>
> >And if they never figure it out? What do I care? Less competition for
me.
> >Yay. Let 'em go be truck drivers or something. I have no sympathy (or
even
> >understanding) for people who think it productive to bet against
Microsoft
> >and purposefully shoot themselves in the foot when the effort to learn is
> >neither great nor the concepts alien, and the payoff at least makes them
as
> >competitive as the next guy.
>
> Well, if you *don't* understand, then you don't comprehend other
> people's sensibilities. By all means, gorge on .Net. Knock yourself
> out! I have other alternatives and I expect very many will as well.
>
> MM