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  1. #1
    Mark Gonzales Guest

    Looking for VB.Net Program

    Anyone know where I can find a VB.Net program to mess around with (not the
    source - just the completed exe). Maybe someone knows of a downloadable
    trial software that was created in VB.Net? I'd kind of like to see what it
    look like - don't really care what it does.
    --


    Thanks,
    Mark



  2. #2
    Phil Weber Guest

    Re: Looking for VB.Net Program

    > Anyone know where I can find a VB.NET program
    > to mess around with?


    Mark: Try...

    http://www.gotdotnet.com/userarea/
    http://msdn.microsoft.com/vbasic/dow...isualbasic.asp
    http://www.syncfusion.com/downloads/evals.asp
    (I'm thinking particularly of the Essential Suite Interactive Showcase)

    There are also numerous sample apps available at http://www.fawcette.com/vsm
    ..
    ---
    Phil Weber



  3. #3
    Mark Gonzales Guest

    Re: Looking for VB.Net Program

    "Phil Weber" <pweber@nospam.fawcette.com> wrote in message
    news:3d49c00d$1@10.1.10.29...
    > > Anyone know where I can find a VB.NET program
    > > to mess around with?

    >
    > Mark: Try...
    >
    > http://www.gotdotnet.com/userarea/
    > http://msdn.microsoft.com/vbasic/dow...isualbasic.asp
    > http://www.syncfusion.com/downloads/evals.asp
    > (I'm thinking particularly of the Essential Suite Interactive

    Showcase)
    >
    > There are also numerous sample apps available at

    http://www.fawcette.com/vsm
    > .


    Thanks, Phil.
    --

    Mark

    > ---
    > Phil Weber
    >
    >




  4. #4
    Arthur Wood Guest

    Re: Looking for VB.Net Program


    Mark,
    Surprising as it may sound, there is VERY little that you will be able
    to discern from RUNNING a program, created with VB.NET that willlook diferent
    from the SAME program, created with VB6.

    In fact, there is very little, externally, that will indicated which verion
    of VB was used to create the program.

    Arthur Wood


    "Mark Gonzales" <markgonzalesx@attbi.com> wrote:
    >Anyone know where I can find a VB.Net program to mess around with (not the
    >source - just the completed exe). Maybe someone knows of a downloadable
    >trial software that was created in VB.Net? I'd kind of like to see what

    it
    >look like - don't really care what it does.
    >--
    >
    >
    >Thanks,
    >Mark
    >
    >



  5. #5
    Larry Triezenberg Guest

    Re: Looking for VB.Net Program

    But what does that have to do with how it "looks"?

    "Michael (michka) Kaplan" <michka@spamless.trigeminal.nospamcom> wrote in
    message news:3d49dac6$1@10.1.10.29...
    > It takes me less than five seconds to install the Hindi traditional

    keyboard
    > and type in vanakam to an application.
    >
    > Clearly you do not develop multilingual applications, applications that

    deal
    > with complex scripts, or apps that handle Unicode-only languages.
    >
    > "Arthur Wood" <wooda@nospam.com> wrote in message
    > news:3d49d9cc@10.1.10.29...
    > >
    > > Mark,
    > > Surprising as it may sound, there is VERY little that you will be

    able
    > > to discern from RUNNING a program, created with VB.NET that willlook

    > diferent
    > > from the SAME program, created with VB6.




  6. #6
    Rune Bivrin Guest

    Re: Looking for VB.Net Program

    Michael,

    Being Swedish myself, I commend and applaud your efforts to educate the
    world about the existence of non-english speaking people. I have suffered
    countless brain-dead applications that needlessly either view anything
    outside of a-z non-alphabetic or blindly remove the diacriticals above
    letters, thus possibly turning innocent words into dirty words.

    However, I think maybe you are a trifle over-zealous right now. Most of us
    would be incapable of correctly assessing the correctness of the
    presentation of foreign script, Bengali, Hindi, Thai or even US-English.
    Furthermore, many of probably have little interest in capitalizing on the
    markets they represent, given the sizable market of any single one of these.

    Thus, the UNICODE marvels of .NET are probably something that are left out
    when doing a quick surface scan of a VB.NET application, wouldn't you think?
    At least for the majority of us.

    However, as Arthur wrote, there's probably not much to see in the running
    application that differentiate .NET apps from other native Windows apps.
    They don't come across as your average quirky and sluggish 1:st generation
    Java applet. The biggest difference will probably be in the greater ratio of
    forms that resize correctly.

    Rune Bivrin

    "Michael (michka) Kaplan" <michka@spamless.trigeminal.nospamcom> wrote in
    message news:3d4a992f@10.1.10.29...
    > Um, it can display this data in its UI? So you launch it and see Hindi or
    > Tamil or Bangali data?
    >
    >
    > --
    > MichKa
    >
    > Michael Kaplan
    > Trigeminal Software, Inc. -- http://www.trigeminal.com/
    >
    > International VB? -- http://www.i18nWithVB.com/
    > C++? MSLU -- http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/issues/01/10/
    >
    >
    > "Larry Triezenberg" <ltriezenberg@pathsys.com> wrote in message
    > news:3d4a635b$1@10.1.10.29...
    > > But what does that have to do with how it "looks"?
    > >
    > > "Michael (michka) Kaplan" <michka@spamless.trigeminal.nospamcom> wrote

    in
    > > message news:3d49dac6$1@10.1.10.29...
    > > > It takes me less than five seconds to install the Hindi traditional

    > > keyboard
    > > > and type in vanakam to an application.
    > > >
    > > > Clearly you do not develop multilingual applications, applications

    that
    > > deal
    > > > with complex scripts, or apps that handle Unicode-only languages.
    > > >
    > > > "Arthur Wood" <wooda@nospam.com> wrote in message
    > > > news:3d49d9cc@10.1.10.29...
    > > > >
    > > > > Mark,
    > > > > Surprising as it may sound, there is VERY little that you will be

    > > able
    > > > > to discern from RUNNING a program, created with VB.NET that willlook
    > > > diferent
    > > > > from the SAME program, created with VB6.

    > >
    > >

    >
    >




  7. #7
    Phil Weber Guest

    Re: Looking for VB.Net Program

    > Now you will not see them well represented in this forum,
    > but that is because Fawcette and DevX do not consider
    > those other markets to be a priority -- in meetings with
    > Patrick Meader and Jim Fawcette I have been told point
    > blank that reaching these markets are not major goals
    > of either the magazines or the conferences.


    Michael: http://www.fawcette.com/global/
    ---
    Phil Weber



  8. #8
    Phil Weber Guest

    Re: Looking for VB.Net Program

    > Their global program and its distributor system
    > is entirely unimpressive.


    Michael: How would you suggest FTP reach non-English-speaking markets, in
    addition to translating online and magazine content into their languages,
    and holding conferences there?
    ---
    Phil Weber



  9. #9
    Phil Weber Guest

    Re: Looking for VB.Net Program

    > I have talked to both Patrick and Jim about this...

    Michael: How recently? I can't speak for the magazine side, but the online
    business (where I work) is actively pursuing non-English-speaking markets.
    ---
    Phil Weber



  10. #10
    Phil Weber Guest

    Re: Looking for VB.Net Program

    > Maybe plans have changed since then, but I have not
    > seen any big changes -- did something new happen there
    > in the DevX realm?


    Michael: DevX has nothing to do with FTP; they're entirely separate
    companies. I'm talking about FTPOnline ( http://www.fawcette.com ), which
    just launched a Chinese-language site, and has an Italian-language version
    in the works. These were both mentioned on the FTP Global page I cited a few
    messages ago; perhaps you missed them?
    ---
    Phil Weber



  11. #11
    Phil Weber Guest

    Re: Looking for VB.Net Program

    > Entirely separate companies which are I believe still
    > owned by the same people, right? :-)


    Michael: Jim Fawcette founded DevX, but he does not "own" it, nor is he at
    all involved in its day-to-day operation. I don't know if he even holds any
    DevX stock. They are, as I said, entirely separate companies.
    ---
    Phil Weber



  12. #12
    Phil Weber Guest

    Re: Looking for VB.Net Program

    > You decided to ignore the rest of my post? The part
    > with the actual content? <g>


    Michael: I don't know how to respond to it: you're entitled to your opinion,
    and the magazines and conferences are outside my purvue. I only replied
    initially to let you know that FTPOnline is, in fact, actively pursuing
    non-English-speaking markets.
    ---
    Phil Weber



  13. #13
    Rune Bivrin Guest

    Re: Looking for VB.Net Program

    "Michael \(michka\) Kaplan" <michka@spamless.trigeminal.nospamcom> wrote
    in news:3d4c2b55$1@10.1.10.29:

    > "Rune Bivrin" <runeUNSPAM@bivrin.com> wrote...
    >
    >> However, I think maybe you are a trifle over-zealous right now. Most
    >> of us would be incapable of correctly assessing the correctness of
    >> the
    >> presentation of foreign script, Bengali, Hindi, Thai or even
    >> US-English.

    >
    > Actually, anyone can tell that a UI that shows ???????? is wrong. :-)
    >

    Maybe so, but just being able to say that something is wrong isn't quite
    enough to say why and how it's wrong (could be a ref-count problem..). One
    has to be able to test it and tell if it's right, I'd say. Which may be a
    problem for quite a few of us.


    >> Furthermore, many of probably have little interest in capitalizing on
    >> the markets they represent, given the sizable market of any single
    >> one of these.

    >
    > Well, over 60% of MS sales are outside the US, and 70-100% of those
    > people do not consider English an acceptable option -- so anyone whose
    > sales figures are not the same as that are missing out on a lot of
    > potenial sales?
    >:-)


    And a lot of potential work too. After all, either learning Hindi, Japanese
    and a few other languages along with their particular cultural quirks, or
    hiring and managing the people that do would be a formidable task, to say
    the least.


    >
    >> Thus, the UNICODE marvels of .NET are probably something that
    >> are left out when doing a quick surface scan of a VB.NET application,
    >> wouldn't you think? At least for the majority of us.

    >
    > Well, its not what I see, but then I deal with a lot of those
    > developers in other countries.


    It all depends on what group of people you define as *us*. You have the
    time and resources to devote to these issues, which is great. A lot of the
    people that follow this NG probably don't. Heck, most of them can't spell,
    even in their own language. Can you all write "I will not miss-spell
    compatibility" 100 times on the black board, please :-]

    Last night, I tried to configure my newly bought TV using the on-screen
    menu. However, that came up in Arabic. At least that's what I think it was.
    It proved quite challenging to change that, since I couldn't tell which
    menu defined the language. It would have been much simpler if the menus had
    been all engrish. (After a while, I cheated and read the manual, but what
    fun is that? It was still hard getting out of Arab mode, though. Left and
    right didn't quite match my Swedish manual).

    Rune Bivrin

  14. #14
    Phil Weber Guest

    Re: Looking for VB.Net Program

    > Hmmm.... I claimed that I had talked to Patrick and Jim about
    > the policies of the mag and the conferences, and you chose to
    > counter my claim yet both of the areas I was talking about are
    > outside of your purvue?


    Michael: I was disagreeing with your statement that "Fawcette...[does] not
    consider those other markets to be a priority." FTPOnline (a division of
    Fawcette) has demonstrated that it does consider the Chinese and
    Italian-speaking markets to be a priority. That was all I was trying to
    point out with my initial reply.

    > I then point out that the ownership is probably about the same
    > as it was despite FTP and DevX being separate companies, which
    > you start to contest till you realize that you cannot state whether
    > they are owned by the same people (or should I say person?)


    You have no more information than I do about who owns DevX, so it's not
    productive to argue that point. Even if JF is a majority shareholder,
    however, I can state from personal experience (having been employed by both
    companies) that he is not involved in the day-to-day operation of DevX, and
    they are, in fact, separate companies. If you have something other than
    baseless conjecture to dispute that statement, feel free to share it.

    > I made a comment about the DevX international story after a
    > conversation with Matt Carter and you did not comment at all.


    What would you like me say? Neither Matt Carter nor I know anything about
    DevX's current international strategy: neither of us has worked for the
    company for 18 months or more, and as I keep trying to tell you, FTP has
    nothing to do with DevX.

    I have had enough of this argument. You may now have the last word, if you
    wish.
    ---
    Phil Weber



  15. #15
    Gary Nelson Guest

    Re: Looking for VB.Net Program

    Michka,

    > The other language sites are interesting and very cool -- of course that
    > still does not improve their international subscription policy, their
    > translation policy at conferences, or any of the other things I suggested
    > would be crucial to change if they truly expected to get numbers anything
    > like MS sales of the products they write magazines for?


    From experience I can say that it is one thing to translate the interface of
    a program, and another thing entirely to translate the documentation. The
    program we sell has a multilingual interface, but the documentation is only
    in one language (Spanish as we are based in Spain). Doing a good job of
    translating a technical magazine into many languages is a very imposing and
    costly task, and I would doubt very much that FTP could even cover costs
    translating into some of the languages that you mention. For a time FTP had
    a Spainsh version of VBPJ, but I believe it went under (at least I haven't
    seen it for some time). I am of the opinion that if a person wants to be a
    professional programmer, learning English should be one of their priorities.

    Gary



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