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    Joe Guest

    Best IDE for Java?


    Hello. I'm new to Java (VB'er maybe ready for a move.NET...), and I just
    downloaded the JDK 1.3 and the Forte Community Edition (CE) IDE. The IDE
    seems a little slow, i.e. moving around the environment, mouse selections,
    menu selections all seem to have a slight lag time. Is this normal? (W2000
    Pro box, lots of power and memory).

    What IDE would you recommend?

    Thanks for your help.

    Joe

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    Justin Campbell Guest

    Re: Best IDE for Java?


    Personally, I prefer JBuilder. As with any category, there will be people
    who prefer one utility over another (I dare not mention pico or vi). There
    is a CE version (I believe it's actually called Foundation) available for
    download at borland.com. Plenty of features and a robust support foundation
    make this one of my favourites. If you're planning on using it professionally,
    I would definitely recommend purchasing the Professional edition (besides
    the fact that it's required by Borland's license agreement).

    Hope this helps.

    Justin Campbell

    "Joe" <joe@actman.com> wrote:
    >
    >Hello. I'm new to Java (VB'er maybe ready for a move.NET...), and I just
    >downloaded the JDK 1.3 and the Forte Community Edition (CE) IDE. The IDE
    >seems a little slow, i.e. moving around the environment, mouse selections,
    >menu selections all seem to have a slight lag time. Is this normal? (W2000
    >Pro box, lots of power and memory).
    >
    >What IDE would you recommend?
    >
    >Thanks for your help.
    >
    >Joe



  3. #3
    Ako Guest

    Re: Best IDE for Java?


    Its a good idea to start with Forte CE if you really want to stard using a
    n IDE straight away and yes its normal for Forte to be slow as its writing
    in java and java is not terribly fast when it comes to heavy desktop applications.
    As Justin said probably you will need something more advanced than Forte
    CE if you want a tool for professional development.

    Good Luck,

    Ako


    "Joe" <joe@actman.com> wrote:
    >
    >Hello. I'm new to Java (VB'er maybe ready for a move.NET...), and I just
    >downloaded the JDK 1.3 and the Forte Community Edition (CE) IDE. The IDE
    >seems a little slow, i.e. moving around the environment, mouse selections,
    >menu selections all seem to have a slight lag time. Is this normal? (W2000
    >Pro box, lots of power and memory).
    >
    >What IDE would you recommend?
    >
    >Thanks for your help.
    >
    >Joe



  4. #4
    Joe Guest

    Re: Best IDE for Java?


    Justin and Ako, thanks for the info - I'll check Borland's JBuilder.

    Thanks.

    Joe

  5. #5
    wizard Guest

    Re: Best IDE for Java?


    "Joe" <joe@actman.com> wrote:
    >
    >Hello. I'm new to Java (VB'er maybe ready for a move.NET...), and I just
    >downloaded the JDK 1.3 and the Forte Community Edition (CE) IDE. The IDE
    >seems a little slow, i.e. moving around the environment, mouse selections,
    >menu selections all seem to have a slight lag time. Is this normal? (W2000
    >Pro box, lots of power and memory).
    >
    >What IDE would you recommend?
    >
    >Thanks for your help.
    >
    >Joe



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    wizard Guest

    Re: Best IDE for Java?


    "Joe" <joe@actman.com> wrote:
    >
    >Hello. I'm new to Java (VB'er maybe ready for a move.NET...), and I just
    >downloaded the JDK 1.3 and the Forte Community Edition (CE) IDE. The IDE
    >seems a little slow, i.e. moving around the environment, mouse selections,
    >menu selections all seem to have a slight lag time. Is this normal? (W2000
    >Pro box, lots of power and memory).
    >
    >What IDE would you recommend?


    Forte will be slow to respond because it's written entirely in Java. You'll
    notice that repeated operations will be much faster as the code is loaded
    and cached.

    Most experienced programmers don't use an IDE very much, mainly for debugging.
    The reason - it's actually faster to use a programming text editor like
    Visual SlickEdit and dispense with the overhead of an IDE. Also, and this
    is really big point, if you're doing GUI layout, most of the IDE's use a
    grid-bag layout, which is absolute location, not relative. This means your
    screens will have the same size no matter what hardware you're running on.
    We first started with an IDE (Visual Cafe) and have now completely rewritten
    all our screens to relative addressing using flow or border layouts.

    The other problem with an IDE is that unless you are very careful, all insert
    their own libraries into your code. This is very dangerous if you're supposedly
    platform independent. It means that if you ship your app, you'll have to
    include the IDE classes that are called. Borland is guilty of this, as well
    as Visual Cafe. Forte doesn't do this.

    Also, most IDE's require you to structure your code so that a "protected"
    area is available to make changes. This is a block of code that the IDE
    recognizes and can alter. This style may not be to your liking. For instance,
    Visual Cafe likes to put field variables at the bottom of a class file, we
    like it at the top.

    IDE's are very useful to pick out properties and debug. But like most development
    efforts, trying to find one tool that does everything is usually not possible.
    My advice is to look at the other options, like Borland and even IBM's Visual
    Age, which gets good reviews, and be wary of the pitfalls associated with
    each. Once you get proficient with Java, you'll probably not use an IDE
    very much, just and editor. We have looked at several, including TextPad,
    CodeWarrior, and SlickEdit, and always keep coming back to SlickEdit.




  7. #7
    Rich Guest

    Re: Best IDE for Java?


    If you are moving from VB, I'd take a good look at Visual Cafe. It will
    seem very familiar.

    Rich

    "Joe" <joe@actman.com> wrote:
    >
    >Hello. I'm new to Java (VB'er maybe ready for a move.NET...), and I just
    >downloaded the JDK 1.3 and the Forte Community Edition (CE) IDE. The IDE
    >seems a little slow, i.e. moving around the environment, mouse selections,
    >menu selections all seem to have a slight lag time. Is this normal? (W2000
    >Pro box, lots of power and memory).
    >
    >What IDE would you recommend?
    >
    >Thanks for your help.
    >
    >Joe



  8. #8
    Brent Guest

    Re: Best IDE for Java?


    Joe,
    We were primarily a Microsoft house until we started developing a couple
    application in Java about 7 months ago. We purchased 7 copies of Borland's
    Enterprise JBuilder 4.0 for about $14,000 (Full retail price would have been
    much more). That's right. No more friendly MS prices.

    Borland recently announced JBuilder 5.0 Enterprise. Retail Price $2,999.
    But here's the kicker: Upgrade price to go from 4.0 to 5.0 $2,399. Ouch.

    Its a decent product but at these prices its difficult to keep buying it!!!

    Brent


    "Joe" <joe@actman.com> wrote:
    >
    >Justin and Ako, thanks for the info - I'll check Borland's JBuilder.
    >
    >Thanks.
    >
    >Joe



  9. #9
    Julia Lerman Guest

    Re: Best IDE for Java?

    Joe -

    Not sure if you are checking back to this thread but I have been doing the
    same research (VB to Java) and am now playing with JBuilder. I am
    documenting my discoveries on a website and if they are of anyhelp to you
    then that makes the effort (of the documentatino) worth it to me!!

    www.thedatafarm.com/dotnet

    Julie Lerman

    "Joe" <joe@actman.com> wrote in message news:3af6d72c$1@news.devx.com...
    >
    > Hello. I'm new to Java (VB'er maybe ready for a move.NET...), and I just
    > downloaded the JDK 1.3 and the Forte Community Edition (CE) IDE. The IDE
    > seems a little slow, i.e. moving around the environment, mouse selections,
    > menu selections all seem to have a slight lag time. Is this normal?

    (W2000
    > Pro box, lots of power and memory).
    >
    > What IDE would you recommend?
    >
    > Thanks for your help.
    >
    > Joe




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