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  1. #1
    Ralph Carrasquillo Guest

    Which EDI to use?


    Hi everyone!

    Our company is trying to determine which EDI to use and why. Our choices
    include Jdeveloper, JBuilder, and Forte. Our back end is Oracle 8. Im not
    sure at this point which is the most commonly used anymore I thought a while
    back that JBuilder was very common and Ive checked out the current version
    5 studio.

    Any input at all would be appreciated...

    Thank You,
    Ralph Carrasquillo

  2. #2
    Paul Clapham Guest

    Re: Which EDI to use?

    Ask yourself why you need to use one at all. What benefits do you expect to
    get from it? Then choose the one that fits best with those answers.

    PC2

    "Ralph Carrasquillo" <Ralph_Carrasquillo@ninewest.com> wrote in message
    news:3ba9d7fa$1@news.devx.com...
    >
    > Hi everyone!
    >
    > Our company is trying to determine which EDI to use and why. Our choices
    > include Jdeveloper, JBuilder, and Forte. Our back end is Oracle 8. Im not
    > sure at this point which is the most commonly used anymore I thought a

    while
    > back that JBuilder was very common and Ive checked out the current version
    > 5 studio.
    >
    > Any input at all would be appreciated...
    >
    > Thank You,
    > Ralph Carrasquillo




  3. #3
    Ralph Guest

    Re: Which EDI to use?


    Well Paul I want to thank you for that informative answer. I was hoping to
    get a little more insight into the various edis that exist. At our shop are
    all learning java. We are currently using microsoft and with oracle and sql2000.
    But this application is a little different in that it is to be written in
    java. So as a novice Im seeking some guidance from the seasoned java developers
    out there. Im personally thinking jbuilder because its neutral and is not
    tied directly to any backend or programming language that could potentially
    pose a problem not now but in the future.
    Ive used it in the past, version 3, and did experience some problems with
    verison control but Im hoping that that has changed. please be a little more
    descriptive
    Thanks,
    Ralph

    "Paul Clapham" <pclapham@core-mark.com> wrote:
    >Ask yourself why you need to use one at all. What benefits do you expect

    to
    >get from it? Then choose the one that fits best with those answers.
    >
    >PC2
    >
    >"Ralph Carrasquillo" <Ralph_Carrasquillo@ninewest.com> wrote in message
    >news:3ba9d7fa$1@news.devx.com...
    >>
    >> Hi everyone!
    >>
    >> Our company is trying to determine which EDI to use and why. Our choices
    >> include Jdeveloper, JBuilder, and Forte. Our back end is Oracle 8. Im

    not
    >> sure at this point which is the most commonly used anymore I thought a

    >while
    >> back that JBuilder was very common and Ive checked out the current version
    >> 5 studio.
    >>
    >> Any input at all would be appreciated...
    >>
    >> Thank You,
    >> Ralph Carrasquillo

    >
    >



  4. #4
    Dave Haskell Guest

    Re: Which EDI to use?

    Ralph,

    > Well Paul I want to thank you for that informative answer.


    Wasn't it? <g>

    > I was hoping to
    > get a little more insight into the various edis that exist.


    I believe you mean IDE (Integrated Development Environment), not EDI
    (Electronic Data Interchange).

    > At our shop are
    > all learning java. We are currently using microsoft and with oracle and

    sql2000.
    > But this application is a little different in that it is to be written

    in
    > java. So as a novice Im seeking some guidance from the seasoned java

    developers
    > out there. Im personally thinking jbuilder because its neutral and is not
    > tied directly to any backend or programming language that could

    potentially
    > pose a problem not now but in the future.
    > Ive used it in the past, version 3, and did experience some problems with
    > verison control but Im hoping that that has changed. please be a little

    more
    > descriptive


    We use JBuilder5, with Ant (http://jakarta.apache.org/ant/) intergrated as
    the build tool. It's nice, but is missing some things Forte has, like
    highlighting matching braces.

    We use Visual Source Safe for source control and it works fine w/ JBuilder5
    (R-O files are recognized as being writtable when checked out, etc.)

    HTH,
    Dave



  5. #5
    Ralph Carrasquillo Guest

    Re: Which EDI to use?


    Dave thank you for you reply... Yes as a matter of fact I mean IDE thanks
    again.. well that is something I didnt know about forte. I am planning on
    downloading the personal version and testing the look and feel. I had worked
    briefly with forte in class but that was I believe a couple of years ago
    when it first came out. How familiar are you with the two products in you
    opinion is one superior to another?
    Like Ive stated Im a rookie in the java field and while I know everyone has
    their own take on things I interested in avoided limitations in an ide that
    nobody in our shop would know about in advance. Your input is extremely appreciated
    thank you.
    "Dave Haskell" <NOhaskellsSPAM@pacbell.net> wrote:
    >Ralph,
    >
    >> Well Paul I want to thank you for that informative answer.

    >
    >Wasn't it? <g>
    >
    >> I was hoping to
    >> get a little more insight into the various edis that exist.

    >
    >I believe you mean IDE (Integrated Development Environment), not EDI
    >(Electronic Data Interchange).
    >
    >> At our shop are
    >> all learning java. We are currently using microsoft and with oracle and

    >sql2000.
    >> But this application is a little different in that it is to be written

    >in
    >> java. So as a novice Im seeking some guidance from the seasoned java

    >developers
    >> out there. Im personally thinking jbuilder because its neutral and is

    not
    >> tied directly to any backend or programming language that could

    >potentially
    >> pose a problem not now but in the future.
    >> Ive used it in the past, version 3, and did experience some problems with
    >> verison control but Im hoping that that has changed. please be a little

    >more
    >> descriptive

    >
    >We use JBuilder5, with Ant (http://jakarta.apache.org/ant/) intergrated

    as
    >the build tool. It's nice, but is missing some things Forte has, like
    >highlighting matching braces.
    >
    >We use Visual Source Safe for source control and it works fine w/ JBuilder5
    >(R-O files are recognized as being writtable when checked out, etc.)
    >
    >HTH,
    >Dave
    >
    >



  6. #6
    markn Guest

    Re: Which EDI to use?


    We use VisualAge. I really like it. It is very powerful and is an excellent
    environment for developing distributed systems.

    Mark

    "Ralph Carrasquillo" <Ralph_Carrasquillo@ninewest.com> wrote:
    >
    >Dave thank you for you reply... Yes as a matter of fact I mean IDE thanks
    >again.. well that is something I didnt know about forte. I am planning on
    >downloading the personal version and testing the look and feel. I had worked
    >briefly with forte in class but that was I believe a couple of years ago
    >when it first came out. How familiar are you with the two products in you
    >opinion is one superior to another?
    >Like Ive stated Im a rookie in the java field and while I know everyone

    has
    >their own take on things I interested in avoided limitations in an ide that
    >nobody in our shop would know about in advance. Your input is extremely

    appreciated
    >thank you.
    >"Dave Haskell" <NOhaskellsSPAM@pacbell.net> wrote:
    >>Ralph,
    >>
    >>> Well Paul I want to thank you for that informative answer.

    >>
    >>Wasn't it? <g>
    >>
    >>> I was hoping to
    >>> get a little more insight into the various edis that exist.

    >>
    >>I believe you mean IDE (Integrated Development Environment), not EDI
    >>(Electronic Data Interchange).
    >>
    >>> At our shop are
    >>> all learning java. We are currently using microsoft and with oracle and

    >>sql2000.
    >>> But this application is a little different in that it is to be written

    >>in
    >>> java. So as a novice Im seeking some guidance from the seasoned java

    >>developers
    >>> out there. Im personally thinking jbuilder because its neutral and is

    >not
    >>> tied directly to any backend or programming language that could

    >>potentially
    >>> pose a problem not now but in the future.
    >>> Ive used it in the past, version 3, and did experience some problems

    with
    >>> verison control but Im hoping that that has changed. please be a little

    >>more
    >>> descriptive

    >>
    >>We use JBuilder5, with Ant (http://jakarta.apache.org/ant/) intergrated

    >as
    >>the build tool. It's nice, but is missing some things Forte has, like
    >>highlighting matching braces.
    >>
    >>We use Visual Source Safe for source control and it works fine w/ JBuilder5
    >>(R-O files are recognized as being writtable when checked out, etc.)
    >>
    >>HTH,
    >>Dave
    >>
    >>

    >



  7. #7
    Dave Haskell Guest

    Re: Which EDI to use?

    Ralph,

    > Dave thank you for you reply...


    My pleasure...

    > Yes as a matter of fact I mean IDE thanks again..


    Thought so... <g>

    > How familiar are you with the two products in you
    > opinion is one superior to another?


    Some people here use Forte; I like JBuilder better because it seems to have
    a faster response. Forte can get kind of slow sometimes...

    Also, you see that Mark recommends VisualAge. I haven't tried that, but
    will when I get a chance.

    There are pluses and minuses in all IDEs; unfortunately, you are going to
    have to judge for yourself which one you like better.



  8. #8
    Paul Clapham Guest

    Re: Which EDI to use?

    The usual answer you get to this question is "I use X, I like it." And you
    have had some of them. Pretty useless, really. Dave's answer is better.
    Personally I don't use one at all, but if you feel you need one then don't
    agonize over it, just pick one and get started. Or if you have some spare
    time and resources, pick several and try them out.

    PC2

    "Dave Haskell" <NOhaskellsSPAM@pacbell.net> wrote in message
    news:3bab2fce$1@news.devx.com...
    > Ralph,
    >
    > There are pluses and minuses in all IDEs; unfortunately, you are going to
    > have to judge for yourself which one you like better.
    >




  9. #9
    markn Guest

    Re: Which EDI to use?


    I agree Paul. That is why I didn't respond this at first. Then I saw that
    VAJ and had not been mentioned so I put in my two cents.

    "Paul Clapham" <pclapham@core-mark.com> wrote:
    >The usual answer you get to this question is "I use X, I like it." And

    you
    >have had some of them. Pretty useless, really. Dave's answer is better.
    >Personally I don't use one at all, but if you feel you need one then don't
    >agonize over it, just pick one and get started. Or if you have some spare
    >time and resources, pick several and try them out.
    >
    >PC2
    >
    >"Dave Haskell" <NOhaskellsSPAM@pacbell.net> wrote in message
    >news:3bab2fce$1@news.devx.com...
    >> Ralph,
    >>
    >> There are pluses and minuses in all IDEs; unfortunately, you are going

    to
    >> have to judge for yourself which one you like better.
    >>

    >
    >



  10. #10
    john Guest

    Re: Which EDI to use?

    How about Together... I'm not sure if you can consider it a true IDE, but
    it's free freakin' close.


    "Dave Haskell" <NOhaskellsSPAM@pacbell.net> wrote in message
    news:3bab2fce$1@news.devx.com...
    > Ralph,
    >
    > > Dave thank you for you reply...

    >
    > My pleasure...
    >
    > > Yes as a matter of fact I mean IDE thanks again..

    >
    > Thought so... <g>
    >
    > > How familiar are you with the two products in you
    > > opinion is one superior to another?

    >
    > Some people here use Forte; I like JBuilder better because it seems to

    have
    > a faster response. Forte can get kind of slow sometimes...
    >
    > Also, you see that Mark recommends VisualAge. I haven't tried that, but
    > will when I get a chance.
    >
    > There are pluses and minuses in all IDEs; unfortunately, you are going to
    > have to judge for yourself which one you like better.
    >
    >




  11. #11
    kamesh kompella Guest

    Re: Which EDI to use?


    well, i would think of the following reasons why one would want to use an
    IDE in the first place:

    1. intellisense: getting a drop down list of all the availiable methods and
    members
    2. hiding the details of setting classpaths
    3. GUI interface to compiling, building etc.
    4. and most important [ in my view ] debugging facility.

    now if you are learning java or any new language, it is always helpful to
    have 1] as it gets you up to date with the syntax. also, 1] spares you from
    knowin which alphabet in the method/member names are alphabetized [ thus
    saving you the wonder of why your program is not compiling].

    4] is the primary reason you may want to use an IDE. you can actually see
    the contents of an object during runtime [ provided you start in the debug
    mode].

    if 4] is not your primary concern any editor will do. i have seen people
    use editors like vi/ultraedit/notepad and run jakarta-ant on the command
    line. nice and light weight.

    now, personally, i have used visual cafe, jbuilder and jdeveloper and can
    vouch that the last two are far better than cafe.

    -kamesh

    "markn" <mnuttall@nospam.com> wrote:
    >
    >I agree Paul. That is why I didn't respond this at first. Then I saw that
    >VAJ and had not been mentioned so I put in my two cents.
    >
    >"Paul Clapham" <pclapham@core-mark.com> wrote:
    >>The usual answer you get to this question is "I use X, I like it." And

    >you
    >>have had some of them. Pretty useless, really. Dave's answer is better.
    >>Personally I don't use one at all, but if you feel you need one then don't
    >>agonize over it, just pick one and get started. Or if you have some spare
    >>time and resources, pick several and try them out.
    >>
    >>PC2
    >>
    >>"Dave Haskell" <NOhaskellsSPAM@pacbell.net> wrote in message
    >>news:3bab2fce$1@news.devx.com...
    >>> Ralph,
    >>>
    >>> There are pluses and minuses in all IDEs; unfortunately, you are going

    >to
    >>> have to judge for yourself which one you like better.
    >>>

    >>
    >>

    >



  12. #12
    John Guest

    Re: Which EDI to use?


    I've been writing Java since '95, and I've tried most of
    the popular IDEs, and I strongly favor using just a good
    editor (Ultraedit is what I've been using: it works well,
    it does column editing, and it can run a compile/run
    and capture the output in a document). Usually I
    just have the source open in UE and run the compile
    and run from BAT files (with a PAUSE at the end to keep
    the System.out display alive) in Win Explorer.

    I've used IDEs when my clients demand it, but I've
    had problems that really warned me off. One time I
    was 5 months into a 6 month project when VisCafe
    just refused to recognize it's own output project
    files and became totally unusable. I tried upgrades,
    old backups, scoured the newsgroups, all with no luck.
    Of course I could proceed with Old Reliable textedit
    and DOSbox methods, but the project had been cast in
    the peculiar fashion of VisCafe so it was awkward.

    I used JBuilder for another project and one of the
    subprojects ran into a problem (which I can't recall
    exactly) revolving around the 'jbinit' and
    introspection, so I swore off JBuilder, too. Another
    subproject worked out OK, but we ended up re-writing
    in non-IDE fashion to simplify and speed-up the code
    as well as add more flexibility.

    The penalty I must pay to do it my way is to have
    great code consistency and thorough documentation
    (of my own creation) to supplant the structure
    provided by an IDE. But I'm happy to do that
    anyway. If you are unwilling or unable to produce
    good internal code documentation as well as good
    external specs, please use SOME IDE so that there
    is some consistency and organization in the final
    product.

    As a consultant I will do anything the client pays
    for: even use his favorite IDE! I will tell him
    once of my experiences and then soldier on.
    Fortunately, my current client likes my approach,
    and I've created added-value by upgrading the
    internal commentary in some of the crazy-quilt
    code that accumulated over the years.

    JH


    "Ralph" <Ralph_Carrasquillo@ninewest.com> wrote:
    >
    >Well Paul I want to thank you for that informative answer. I was hoping

    to
    >get a little more insight into the various edis that exist. At our shop

    are
    >all learning java. We are currently using microsoft and with oracle and

    sql2000.
    >But this application is a little different in that it is to be written

    in
    >java. So as a novice Im seeking some guidance from the seasoned java developers
    >out there. Im personally thinking jbuilder because its neutral and is not
    >tied directly to any backend or programming language that could potentially
    >pose a problem not now but in the future.
    >Ive used it in the past, version 3, and did experience some problems with
    >verison control but Im hoping that that has changed. please be a little

    more
    >descriptive
    >Thanks,
    >Ralph
    >
    >"Paul Clapham" <pclapham@core-mark.com> wrote:
    >>Ask yourself why you need to use one at all. What benefits do you expect

    >to
    >>get from it? Then choose the one that fits best with those answers.
    >>
    >>PC2
    >>
    >>"Ralph Carrasquillo" <Ralph_Carrasquillo@ninewest.com> wrote in message
    >>news:3ba9d7fa$1@news.devx.com...
    >>>
    >>> Hi everyone!
    >>>
    >>> Our company is trying to determine which EDI to use and why. Our choices
    >>> include Jdeveloper, JBuilder, and Forte. Our back end is Oracle 8. Im

    >not
    >>> sure at this point which is the most commonly used anymore I thought

    a
    >>while
    >>> back that JBuilder was very common and Ive checked out the current version
    >>> 5 studio.
    >>>
    >>> Any input at all would be appreciated...
    >>>
    >>> Thank You,
    >>> Ralph Carrasquillo

    >>
    >>

    >



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