what do I do?

[Boris Tabenkin]

Hi all,

I have been programming proffesionally form over 10 years, mainly in C an
C++. I have spend the last 4 years proggramming almost exlusivelly in JAVA.
It is a wonderfull language and I hope it is the future. What disturbs me
is the fact that MS is once again trying to divide an conquere the world.

[Brent]

Just wanted to add to this one, though I'm sure it's old news by now... JBuilder
Foundation 3.5 is out and
it runs great on Win 98--at least so far (knock on wood). It's got a lot
of nice features like code completion
that make learning Java a lot easier. Also, I'm running a PIII 450 with
128mb and I find that the new
foundation runs a lot smoother on my system than Forte. I also like the
IDE a little better. Forte end's up
launching a lot of extra windows and I find myself having to readjust everything
before I could start working.
For what it's worth, check out the 3.5 version of JBuilder if you havent
already.
Brent

""authorlk"" <lklander@lvcm.com> wrote:
>
>You can find the JBuilder Foundation edition at http://www.inprise.com/jbuilder/foundation/
>
>Note that it requires Windows NT, and is 100% pure Java. The IDE can be
a
>bit kludgy at times, but on the whole, an excellent way to get started with
>Java. You can also download a 30 day trial of "regular" JBuilder or a 30
>day trial of Symantec's Visual Cafe to try out different IDE's--the choices
>are far more vast than they are for VB.
>
>That being said (even though I am a VB/VC++/Java guy myself), I can't suggest
>strongly enough that you avoid VJ++ as your compiler choice.
>
>Good Luck!
>
>Lars
>
>
>"Bridget" <bridget.wagenbach@daytonoh.ncr.com> wrote:
>>
>>I see that a free version of JBuilder is mentioned. Any idea where to get
>>it from the Inprise site. I checked but found no reference to it.
>>
>>Thanks
>>Bridget Wagenbach
>>
>>
>>"Tom Oguara" <msc62txo@cs.bham.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>Jim, I really don't think, there is any thing to worry about. You are
safe
>>>with Java. I am a core VB developer, but one of my mini-projects on "Agents
>>>for distributed Processing" made me go into Java. Since then, the story
>>has
>>>changed.
>>>
>>>If you are just working on building User Interfaces, VB is ok, but if
you
>>>must do serious development work, then Java is your best tool, not J++
>(No,
>>>not J++). I used Inprise Jbuilder as my development environment, rather
>>than
>>>notepad.
>>>
>>>My advice:
>>>
>>>1. Download the University Edition of Jbuilder for free ASAP.
>>>2. Install it in your system
>>>3. Move into Java ASAP.
>>>
>>>
>>>Welcome to the club !!!
>>>
>>>
>>>Tom
>>>
>>>
>>>"Jim" <Jim@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>I am a VB developer and am convinced I need to move onto Java. Recent
>>>>developments in the USA Courts have lead me to think on this. I feel
a
>>>>little vunerable only knowing VB.
>>>>I am not trying to say that VB will not be needed in the near future,
>but
>>>do
>>>>feel that in the long run a cross-platform language would be more
>>>>appropriate...Anyway enough of my rambling, what I am looking for is
some
>>>>points of view on Java and where it stands . I.e - is it a developing
>arena
>>>>or a dying one, is it as versitile as VB?
>>>>I have played with Java using Microsofts Visual J++6 and also would like
>>>to
>>>>know what your experiences are of differing development tools.
>>>>All in all just tell me what you think and what the future holds for
Java.
>>>>thanks
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>James Jenkins
>>>>www.uniquities.co.uk
>>>>Windows 2000 users >>> http://msagent.scripterz.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

[Joe Wong]

I'm Joe and I'm just a fresh graduates from college. I'm working as a software
developer using Visual Basic. I plan to learn Java languages because I think
it's more reliable in future. It seems that Java needs a strong foundation
in C/C++ in which i do not have. Where should I start now to pick up Java
language because I really don't know where to start on? Please advise and
help? And please recommend some Java books. Do I need to polish up my C/C++
language before I move on to Java language or what else I can do? Please
HELP....

[Paul Clapham]

Joe Wong <joewong@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:390805ed$1@news.devx.com...
>
> I'm Joe and I'm just a fresh graduates from college. I'm working as a
software
> developer using Visual Basic. I plan to learn Java languages because I
think
> it's more reliable in future. It seems that Java needs a strong foundation
> in C/C++ in which i do not have. Where should I start now to pick up Java
> language because I really don't know where to start on? Please advise and
> help? And please recommend some Java books. Do I need to polish up my
C/C++
> language before I move on to Java language or what else I can do? Please
> HELP....

C++ is not a prerequisite for learning Java. I've learned Java reasonably
well, I think, and I don't know either of them. In fact I think that a
knowledge of C++ can even be an impediment to learning Java. I've seen
quite a few questions in these Java newsgroups that essentially say "I don't
like how Java does this because I'm used to (such and such a feature) in
C++". But you do need to understand object-oriented programming to use Java
well. (And when you do understand OOP well, you may find yourself irritated
by Visual Basic -- at least I do -- because you find yourself trying to fake
it into being OO.)

[Joe Wong]

Thanks for advice Paul. So,how do I learn up more on OOP. Any suggestion?
I'm not very familiar with it. I do learn some basic OOP during college days
but I did not put in practice much. I'm really a newcomer in programming
and hopefully someone could really help.Thanks in Advance..

"Paul Clapham" <pclapham@core-mark.com> wrote:
>C++ is not a prerequisite for learning Java. I've learned Java reasonably
>well, I think, and I don't know either of them. In fact I think that a
>knowledge of C++ can even be an impediment to learning Java. I've seen
>quite a few questions in these Java newsgroups that essentially say "I don't
>like how Java does this because I'm used to (such and such a feature) in
>C++". But you do need to understand object-oriented programming to use
Java
>well. (And when you do understand OOP well, you may find yourself irritated
>by Visual Basic -- at least I do -- because you find yourself trying to
fake
>it into being OO.)
>
>

[Dina]

"Paul Clapham" <pclapham@core-mark.com> wrote:
>
>Joe Wong <joewong@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:390805ed$1@news.devx.com...
>>
>> I'm Joe and I'm just a fresh graduates from college. I'm working as a
>software
>> developer using Visual Basic. I plan to learn Java languages because I
>think
>> it's more reliable in future. It seems that Java needs a strong foundation
>> in C/C++ in which i do not have. Where should I start now to pick up Java
>> language because I really don't know where to start on? Please advise
and
>> help? And please recommend some Java books. Do I need to polish up my
>C/C++
>> language before I move on to Java language or what else I can do? Please
>> HELP....
>
>C++ is not a prerequisite for learning Java. I've learned Java reasonably
>well, I think, and I don't know either of them. In fact I think that a
>knowledge of C++ can even be an impediment to learning Java. I've seen
>quite a few questions in these Java newsgroups that essentially say "I don't
>like how Java does this because I'm used to (such and such a feature) in
>C++". But you do need to understand object-oriented programming to use
Java
>well. (And when you do understand OOP well, you may find yourself irritated
>by Visual Basic -- at least I do -- because you find yourself trying to
fake
>it into being OO.)
>
>As long as you understand the concept of object oriented language you will
be ok. I personally Developed Foxpro softwares in the past and I really
like the concept of being able to reuse code in the way object oriented programming
concept teaches the use of clases. Please keepup the good work it sure worth
it.
>
>

[JasonL]

Reuben Cleetus <rcleetus@yahoo.com> wrote
> I found out for myself what a worthless piece of junk J++ is! After
experiencing
> it myself, I see the complete validity of Sun's court battle with
Microsoft.
> I like Forte for Java, which is a free IDE distributed by Sun.
Where can I get Forte?