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  1. #1
    Brad Ashforth Guest

    VB Bashers


    I happened on this thread because it was an interesting topic, I
    didn't think an exe could be created using the SDK. But, as
    expected, most of the responses were from Java bigots.

    Having been a programmer since 1985, using VB since VB1 and
    only used JAVA for the last 8 months,I realize that I still have
    a lot to learn about Java. But from what I HAVE learned, I am
    NOT that impressed. Write Once Run Anywhere sounds nice, but I
    have already found that the promise has not been kept,
    at least not as far as servlets and app servers are
    concerned.

    Yes, VB has it's problems, including not being a "true"
    object oriented language. But, if you can believe Microsoft (??)
    the next version of Visual Studio should give Java a healthy
    competition. I also find it strange the Sun is not "walking the
    walk" as it concerns "open standards".

    VB is a FANTASTIC tool for programmers and non-programmers alike.
    Java, on the other hand, is for programmers only. That fact alone
    limits its usefullness.

  2. #2
    Matthew Cromer Guest

    Re: VB Bashers



    >VB is a FANTASTIC tool for programmers and non-programmers alike.
    >Java, on the other hand, is for programmers only. That fact alone
    >limits its usefullness.


    If I have to deal with any more VB "code" written by non-programmers (including
    those whose job title includes the work "programmer"), I think I am going
    to retire and live the life of a hermit in the wilderness. . .


  3. #3
    Jason Bock Guest

    Re: VB Bashers

    Matthew Cromer <matthew@sdaconsulting.com> wrote in message
    news:39c7f150$1@news.devx.com...
    > If I have to deal with any more VB "code" written by non-programmers

    (including
    > those whose job title includes the work "programmer"), I think I am going
    > to retire and live the life of a hermit in the wilderness. . .


    I agree. I have seen enough VB code written by people who should not have
    received the power to create the programs. However, I've seen my share of
    horrendous Java code in the last year as well.

    I don't think bad code is limited to any one language or tool. The
    industry's current mode of operation is, get it done as fast as you can, and
    to **** with design (IMO). Until we stop letting bad code and bad designs
    make it into production, until we don't hire people based on what buzzwords
    they pad their resumes with, it won't stop.

    Regards,

    Jason



  4. #4
    John Timney (MVP) Guest

    Re: VB Bashers

    well said young man.....

    I can tell you I have written VB code (good code mind you) that is so like
    C++ your skin would crawl...and I have written good java code - so damned
    tricky that your mind aches and your eyes bulge, and I have seen so much
    crappy code it would fill your pants with poo!

    Microsoft are excellent at producing GUI tools and VB is the best GUI tool
    every produced that I have every used, but it should be too, its ancient
    compared to all Java tools - which incidentally is still in its nappies
    compared to old pensioners like VB, but when it does really grow up it will
    be a rocket scientist with a few phd's.

    I hope your right that VB 'N' will be as good as they say because it may
    well give Java a good run for its pension money and I know that Java is a
    programmers tool, cos the IDE's are pants, but I have to agree with Jason
    that the real problem is poor developers not poor tools, as they say "its a
    poor workman who blames his tools".

    --
    Regards

    John Timney
    Microsoft MVP
    (http://support.microsoft.com/support/mvp/program.asp)
    Co-Author Professional JSP
    ISBN: 1-861003-62-5



    Jason Bock <jrbock@execpc.com> wrote in message
    news:39c8d17f$1@news.devx.com...
    Matthew Cromer <matthew@sdaconsulting.com> wrote in message
    news:39c7f150$1@news.devx.com...
    > If I have to deal with any more VB "code" written by non-programmers

    (including
    > those whose job title includes the work "programmer"), I think I am going
    > to retire and live the life of a hermit in the wilderness. . .


    I agree. I have seen enough VB code written by people who should not have
    received the power to create the programs. However, I've seen my share of
    horrendous Java code in the last year as well.

    I don't think bad code is limited to any one language or tool. The
    industry's current mode of operation is, get it done as fast as you can, and
    to **** with design (IMO). Until we stop letting bad code and bad designs
    make it into production, until we don't hire people based on what buzzwords
    they pad their resumes with, it won't stop.

    Regards,

    Jason





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