Coded Into a Corner

[angel rapallo]

I agree 100%, fourtunately for developers, in the next few years MS will lose
they control over client-server apps, this will mean ohter OS and technologies
will come up and make a presence in the industry, for example Linux, and
Sun Solaris, Java, and JSP for web applications. Better software, no more
20 Service packs, and no more new MS crap every 1 or two years. I am a MS
developer but I have grown tired of listenning to MS talking about how much
developers and companies can benefit from their new crap, and I have learn
as many other that they are just kidding, that their new technologies are
as buggy and as BAD as the previous one if not more................

In the begginning God said "Let there be more than one OS"

I will try Linux as soon as possible and if I had resources I would most
definetely write another OS just for the sake of creating a TRUE competitive
industry in which quality is good, rather than just MS Crappy technology....

[Michael]

Angel,

No offense, but having read your posting, your writing style would lead me
to believe your code is not that error free. I count many mistakes among
your rantings here. It is substantially easier to write a posting than an
OS containing 2,000,000 lines of code. I can't begin to imagine what features
your "Oprating Sistum" would have.

Regards
Michael
"angel rapallo" <angelrapallo@netzero.net> wrote:
>
>I agree 100%, fourtunately for developers, in the next few years MS will
lose
>they control over client-server apps, this will mean ohter OS and technologies
>will come up and make a presence in the industry, for example Linux, and
>Sun Solaris, Java, and JSP for web applications. Better software, no more
>20 Service packs, and no more new MS crap every 1 or two years. I am a MS
>developer but I have grown tired of listenning to MS talking about how much
>developers and companies can benefit from their new crap, and I have learn
>as many other that they are just kidding, that their new technologies are
>as buggy and as BAD as the previous one if not more................
>
> In the begginning God said "Let there be more than one OS"
>
>I will try Linux as soon as possible and if I had resources I would most
>definetely write another OS just for the sake of creating a TRUE competitive
>industry in which quality is good, rather than just MS Crappy technology....
>
>

[Kevin Gadd]

Somebody's been trying a few too many beta products!
All MS products aren't 'Crap' and having 20 service packs isn't as bad as
having 50 independent 'updates'. Many programs have a huge amount of updates
that you have to choose to download and it wastes your time. Putting updates
into service packs is a good idea. I also think that if MS wants to release
new programs every year, they can. It's their choice. They write the software,
they publish it, and we can either buy it, or not buy it. If we're not happy
with the new version we can use the old one or by a competing product. It's
a free world and it's not like Windows is going to give you a 'Invalid software
manufacturer' message.

"angel rapallo" <angelrapallo@netzero.net> wrote:
>
>I agree 100%, fourtunately for developers, in the next few years MS will
lose
>they control over client-server apps, this will mean ohter OS and technologies
>will come up and make a presence in the industry, for example Linux, and
>Sun Solaris, Java, and JSP for web applications. Better software, no more
>20 Service packs, and no more new MS crap every 1 or two years. I am a MS
>developer but I have grown tired of listenning to MS talking about how much
>developers and companies can benefit from their new crap, and I have learn
>as many other that they are just kidding, that their new technologies are
>as buggy and as BAD as the previous one if not more................
>
> In the begginning God said "Let there be more than one OS"
>
>I will try Linux as soon as possible and if I had resources I would most
>definetely write another OS just for the sake of creating a TRUE competitive
>industry in which quality is good, rather than just MS Crappy technology....
>
>

[Chad Mello cmello]

Having read many postings on this topic I simply must shout out, "Wake Up!"
The real issue here is NOT freedom in America, Microsoft's rights to develop
their software as they see fit, or who should and isn't following standards,
etc. The REAL issue as a developer that I hold dear is what makes MY life
easier and what is going to make ME money. We are all capitalistic - cut
the crap.

I think articles that are written to inform us of major decisions of the
dominating software companies (whether biased or not) simply serve as information
that you can choose to either ignore or pick through for useful tidbits.

Frankly, I don't care what Microsoft feels is good for them, but what their
decision does (or doesn’t do) for me. Will I need to learn new skills?
Am I now more marketable as a professional or am I less marketable? Will
my life get easier based on their decision, or should I prepare for a bumpy
ride ... maybe I ought to think about jumping ship! As long as my cow keeps
giving me milk, I’m going to keep it until a better cow comes along. Heck!
I might even keep my old cow and expand my barn to hold a few new ones!


Most developers are not out to save the world by writing software for all
the poor souls on Macs, and Netscape browsers. If knowing how to write for
Macs or for Netscape was popular and in demand, I’d learn it. Windows and
IE5 are in popular demand around the world! I’m sticking with them simply
because they make me lots of money. I’m happy ... got my toys, and cake
too. If Microsoft’s decision(s) makes them unpopular, then I’ll consider
my options for the future. Right now life is good - period.

[JimC]

Amen!

I couldn't have said it better

[Tony Berkhout]

"Chad Mello" cmello wrote:
>
>>Most developers are not out to save the world by writing software for all
>the poor souls on Macs, and Netscape browsers. If knowing how to write
for
>Macs or for Netscape was popular and in demand, I’d learn it. Windows and

Actually, most of the publishing industry, and graphics artists use macs
in NYC. Linux packages Netscape as it's browser, and the web page designers
making the most money in the city are html "hand coders" , who are in great
demand . Money money money.
Just an observation. ;-)

Tony

[Alex]

Hi Chad,

You are right. But these guys - from Microsoft - they did some
big mistakes, now they pay the price... .

My only problem is that I'm a MCP close to take my MCSD and I'm
asking myself - for instance - if I'll ever get that MCSD ?

What new title I will hold ?

?CSD... what

The world is full of crap... sometimes. I rely heavily on these
certifications and as you said that makes my life easier and
with money on my pocket.

What we do now ? Go for Java bandwagon just to secure our
professional future ?

It's seems that the old times are coming back... meaning that:

- An university degree can't be destroyed by some antitrust law
- Experience is ALL
- Learn some heavy languages like: C++ or Java and secure your
future

Well, let's hope for the best. Are other OS out there. Linux,
BeOS, Mac. I really like BeOS and Mac but is no FUTURE with them

Let's see maybe something good is comming out from Microsoft
break-up. Borland are cool guys on "applications" side.
Delphi is great, better than VB.

Cool... it seems I convince myself that we still have a chance.

Ok, guy. I'm going to sleep now... is late and all this
Microsoft stuff makes me very sleepy.

Sweet dreams Alex... hope you get that ?CSD and then go for
Delphi. When you awake just eat an Apple that makes you feel
better... and BeOS.

Alex - now sleeping... with no dreams... fortunately



"Chad Mello" cmello wrote:
>
>Having read many postings on this topic I simply must shout out, "Wake Up!"
> The real issue here is NOT freedom in America, Microsoft's rights to develop
>their software as they see fit, or who should and isn't following standards,
>etc. The REAL issue as a developer that I hold dear is what makes MY life
>easier and what is going to make ME money. We are all capitalistic - cut
>the crap.
>
>I think articles that are written to inform us of major decisions of the
>dominating software companies (whether biased or not) simply serve as information
>that you can choose to either ignore or pick through for useful tidbits.
>
>Frankly, I don't care what Microsoft feels is good for them, but what their
>decision does (or doesn’t do) for me. Will I need to learn new skills?

>Am I now more marketable as a professional or am I less marketable? Will
>my life get easier based on their decision, or should I prepare for a bumpy
>ride ... maybe I ought to think about jumping ship! As long as my cow keeps
>giving me milk, I’m going to keep it until a better cow comes along. Heck!
> I might even keep my old cow and expand my barn to hold a few new ones!
>
>
>Most developers are not out to save the world by writing software for all
>the poor souls on Macs, and Netscape browsers. If knowing how to write
for
>Macs or for Netscape was popular and in demand, I’d learn it. Windows and
>IE5 are in popular demand around the world! I’m sticking with them simply
>because they make me lots of money. I’m happy ... got my toys, and cake
>too. If Microsoft’s decision(s) makes them unpopular, then I’ll consider
>my options for the future. Right now life is good - period.
>
>

[Alessandro Coppo]

Alex <some.where@ineurope.eu> wrote in message
news:390a26b6$1@news.devx.com...
> My only problem is that I'm a MCP close to take my MCSD and I'm
> asking myself - for instance - if I'll ever get that MCSD ?
> The world is full of crap... sometimes. I rely heavily on these
> certifications and as you said that makes my life easier and
> with money on my pocket.
> - An university degree can't be destroyed by some antitrust law
> - Experience is ALL

Also I am/was an MCP who was targetting MCSD. Continous changes by Microsoft
slowly destroyed my efforts so now I have terminated ANY effort in that
direction.
Currently I publish on my web site Open Source libraries in VB and C++ plus
(real soon now...) complete VB apps. If anybody wants to know what I know,
has just to surf to my website, download my code and determine by
him/herself the truth.

REAL experience, proved by actual code, is the best demonstration.

Alessandro Coppo
a.coppo@iol.it
www.geocities.com/alex_coppo/

P.S.: in autumn I will also add a Java library
P.P.S.: the C++ library compiles both on Windows and on Linux...

[Phil Weber]

> If anybody wants to know what I know, has just to surf
> to my website, download my code and determine by him/
> herself the truth... www.geocities.com/alex_coppo/

Alessandro: GeoCities reports that your site does not exist!
---
Phil Weber

[Alessandro Coppo]

Phil Weber <pweber@teleport.com> wrote in message
news:390b30ad$1@news.devx.com...
> > If anybody wants to know what I know, has just to surf
> > to my website, download my code and determine by him/
> > herself the truth... www.geocities.com/alex_coppo/
>
> Alessandro: GeoCities reports that your site does not exist!
> ---
> Phil Weber
>
>

SORRY!!!! the website is /alexcoppo/ or /SiliconValey/Way/8111/.
One of the least known things about geocieties is that you can use your
(Yahoo!) username as directory to your site.
By the way, better so as I have updated my site just 15 minutes ago.... I
hope you are going to enjoy it.

[Robert Scoble \(Fawcette Conferences\)]

This is the proper way to post URLs on newsgroups:

http://www.geocities.com/alexcoppo/

This is so that all newsreaders can parse this as a URL and build a link out
of it. Thanks!

Robert Scoble

###



"Alessandro Coppo" <a.coppo@iol.it> wrote in message
news:390c4ca4@news.devx.com...
>
> Phil Weber <pweber@teleport.com> wrote in message
> news:390b30ad$1@news.devx.com...
> > > If anybody wants to know what I know, has just to surf
> > > to my website, download my code and determine by him/
> > > herself the truth... www.geocities.com/alex_coppo/
> >
> > Alessandro: GeoCities reports that your site does not exist!
> > ---
> > Phil Weber
> >
> >
>
> SORRY!!!! the website is /alexcoppo/ or /SiliconValey/Way/8111/.
> One of the least known things about geocieties is that you can use your
> (Yahoo!) username as directory to your site.
> By the way, better so as I have updated my site just 15 minutes ago.... I
> hope you are going to enjoy it.
>
>

[Ron Garlit]

I Ditto this and if I had Judge Pennfield(?) email address he would get a
copy.... We write to what ever is the most popular. Question. Is he one
of the Judges that think if you piss in a jar and add a religious object
that it's art??

"Chad Mello" cmello wrote:
>
>Having read many postings on this topic I simply must shout out, "Wake Up!"
> The real issue here is NOT freedom in America, Microsoft's rights to develop
>their software as they see fit, or who should and isn't following standards,
>etc. The REAL issue as a developer that I hold dear is what makes MY life
>easier and what is going to make ME money. We are all capitalistic - cut
>the crap.
>
>I think articles that are written to inform us of major decisions of the
>dominating software companies (whether biased or not) simply serve as information
>that you can choose to either ignore or pick through for useful tidbits.
>
>Frankly, I don't care what Microsoft feels is good for them, but what their
>decision does (or doesn’t do) for me. Will I need to learn new skills?

>Am I now more marketable as a professional or am I less marketable? Will
>my life get easier based on their decision, or should I prepare for a bumpy
>ride ... maybe I ought to think about jumping ship! As long as my cow keeps
>giving me milk, I’m going to keep it until a better cow comes along. Heck!
> I might even keep my old cow and expand my barn to hold a few new ones!
>
>
>Most developers are not out to save the world by writing software for all
>the poor souls on Macs, and Netscape browsers. If knowing how to write
for
>Macs or for Netscape was popular and in demand, I’d learn it. Windows and
>IE5 are in popular demand around the world! I’m sticking with them simply
>because they make me lots of money. I’m happy ... got my toys, and cake
>too. If Microsoft’s decision(s) makes them unpopular, then I’ll consider
>my options for the future. Right now life is good - period.
>
>

[Chad Mello]

Hi, Alex:

Thanks for your input. The only response I can give to you is that uncertainties
will always lurk about - with or without standards and best opinions. If
our jobs and fields of expertise were too easy, we’d have too much competition
and therefore be rendered superfluous. Unfortunately (or, perhaps, fortunately)
there are no hard and fast rules and/or recipes for assured success within
the realm of software engineering (development, etc.). You can use this
to your advantage, but not without a degree of uncertainty.

Sometimes certifications are relevant, while at other times they are not.
At the very least, certification in any relevant topic proves that you have
the ability to grasp and master certain concepts up to some degree. Perhaps
they may serve simply to personify perseverance. Desirable on resumes –
practical in the field? Depends on whom you converse with. I happen to
think that a general computer science degree, a passion and desire for success,
loads of experience, and a willingness to stay keen is a firm foundation
upon which you can build a successful career.

The degree of uncertainty, however, will always be yours to contend with.
You will (hopefully) eventually learn to formulate your own intuition and
follow it, as you are the master of your own destiny.


"Alex" <some.where@ineurope.eu> wrote:
>
> Hi Chad,
>
> You are right. But these guys - from Microsoft - they did some
> big mistakes, now they pay the price... .
>
> My only problem is that I'm a MCP close to take my MCSD and I'm
> asking myself - for instance - if I'll ever get that MCSD ?
>
> What new title I will hold ?
>
> ?CSD... what
>
> The world is full of crap... sometimes. I rely heavily on these
> certifications and as you said that makes my life easier and
> with money on my pocket.
>
> What we do now ? Go for Java bandwagon just to secure our
> professional future ?
>
> It's seems that the old times are coming back... meaning that:
>
> - An university degree can't be destroyed by some antitrust law
> - Experience is ALL
> - Learn some heavy languages like: C++ or Java and secure your
> future
>
> Well, let's hope for the best. Are other OS out there. Linux,
> BeOS, Mac. I really like BeOS and Mac but is no FUTURE with them
>
> Let's see maybe something good is comming out from Microsoft
> break-up. Borland are cool guys on "applications" side.
> Delphi is great, better than VB.
>
> Cool... it seems I convince myself that we still have a chance.
>
> Ok, guy. I'm going to sleep now... is late and all this
> Microsoft stuff makes me very sleepy.
>
> Sweet dreams Alex... hope you get that ?CSD and then go for
> Delphi. When you awake just eat an Apple that makes you feel
> better... and BeOS.
>
> Alex - now sleeping... with no dreams... fortunately