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  1. #1
    Debbie Locker Guest

    ALERT – XP COULD DISABLE JAVA IN WEB BROWSERS AND EMAIL


    Unpublicized changes to security settings and their definitions in the current
    beta of Windows XP could deny millions of users email and web browser access
    to Internet content enabled through Java applets.

    In XP, the default security settings in Outlook and Outlook Express will
    automatically block Java applets in user inboxes.

    In addition, XP’s security definition changes will block Java applets in
    browsers when administrators opt for high security settings. Previously,
    Java was not blocked in high security mode – a setting routinely used by
    IT administrators to protect corporate networks.

    POSSIE (People for Open, Safe and Secure Internet and Email) challenges the
    disabling of Java applets. To date, no Java applet has been linked to a
    large-scale virus outbreak via email or on the web. If XP’s security settings
    that wrongly categorize Java continue, the real risk will be to innovation
    and open competition.

    Anyone concerned about innovation open competition should visit www.POSSIE.org,
    or contact Microsoft directly.



  2. #2
    Tim Romano Guest

    Re: ALERT – XP COULD DISABLE JAVA IN WEB BROWSERS AND EMAIL

    I read that XP will not ship with a java runtime. If true, that will
    strike a more severe blow to Java than the default security settings.
    I agree that such moves are anti-competitive, in that they are actions,
    taken by a monopolist, that disrupt applications using competing
    technologies.
    Tim Romano
    www.aimsdata.com/tim


    "Debbie Locker" <dlocker@possie.org> wrote in
    news:3b5584bc$1@news.devx.com:


    > [...]
    > In XP, the default security settings in Outlook and Outlook Express
    > will automatically block Java applets in user inboxes.


    > [...]
    > XP’s security definition changes will block Java applets
    > in browsers when administrators opt for high security settings.


    > [...]
    > To date, no Java applet has been linked
    > to a large-scale virus outbreak via email or on the web. If XP’s
    > security settings that wrongly categorize Java continue, the real risk
    > will be to innovation and open competition.
    >
    > Anyone concerned about innovation open competition should visit
    > www.POSSIE.org, or contact Microsoft directly.


  3. #3
    Dennis Bronstein Guest

    Re: ALERT – XP COULD DISABLE JAVA IN WEB BROWSERS AND EMAIL

    Seems to me that since it's so important for Sun to retain control of Java
    they should make an XP runtime themselves. Why should MS do it for them?

    Dennis

    "Tim Romano" <tim_romano@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:Xns90E37340BBC0Btimromano@209.1.14.192...
    > I read that XP will not ship with a java runtime. If true, that will
    > strike a more severe blow to Java than the default security settings.
    > I agree that such moves are anti-competitive, in that they are actions,
    > taken by a monopolist, that disrupt applications using competing
    > technologies.
    > Tim Romano
    > www.aimsdata.com/tim
    >





  4. #4
    Tim Romano Guest

    Re: ALERT – XP COULD DISABLE JAVA IN WEB BROWSERS AND EMAIL

    To answer your question, which seemed rather snide to me (e.g. "so
    important") -- though perhaps you did not intend to have that tone-of-
    voice.

    (1) The Microsoft JVM already exists. Microsoft is simply not including it
    with non-corporate "simgle image" purchases. Clearly, the effect of that
    decision will be to stifle java web development that is geared to the
    consumer-at-large. Whereas now one can assume that a Windows desktop has a
    very good chance of having the runtime installed, in the future, just the
    opposite will be the case. RIP. Shades of DR-DOS.

    (2) Microsoft, as a monopoly, has obligations that a mere holder of
    significant market-share does not have.

    See the following (note possible line-end truncation) <URL>
    http://iwsun4.infoworld.com/articles...nojava.xml?071
    9thap </URL>

    here is an excerpt:

    "MICROSOFT WILL NOT include its JVM (Java Virtual Machine) in Windows XP or
    subsequent operating systems as part of a phase-out of the JVM following a
    January out-of-court settlement with Sun Microsystems. Consumers who buy
    Windows XP will not get JVM with the operating system but will be able to
    download Microsoft's JVM free from the company's Web site. [...]

    Corporate customers who buy a single image of Windows XP will get the
    Microsoft JVM on the discs that contain the operating system, so they will
    not have to download a JVM onto each individual machine, but it will not be
    part of the operating system."

    Tim Romano
    www.aimsdata.com/tim


    "Dennis Bronstein" <dbronstein@yahoo.com> wrote in
    news:3b56ffa4$1@news.devx.com:

    > Seems to me that since it's so important for Sun to retain control of
    > Java they should make an XP runtime themselves. Why should MS do it
    > for them?
    >
    > Dennis
    >
    > "Tim Romano" <tim_romano@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    > news:Xns90E37340BBC0Btimromano@209.1.14.192...
    >> I read that XP will not ship with a java runtime. If true, that will
    >> strike a more severe blow to Java than the default security settings.
    >> I agree that such moves are anti-competitive, in that they are
    >> actions, taken by a monopolist, that disrupt applications using
    >> competing technologies. Tim Romano
    >> www.aimsdata.com/tim
    >>

    >
    >
    >
    >



  5. #5
    Dennis Bronstein Guest

    Re: ALERT – XP COULD DISABLE JAVA IN WEB BROWSERS AND EMAIL

    "Tim Romano" <tim_romano@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:Xns90E3C440BF025timromano@209.1.14.192...
    >
    > (2) Microsoft, as a monopoly, has obligations that a mere holder of
    > significant market-share does not have.


    And when did Sun submit Java to a standards body?



  6. #6
    Tim Romano Guest

    Re: ALERT – XP COULD DISABLE JAVA IN WEB BROWSERS AND EMAIL

    "Dennis Bronstein" <dbronstein@yahoo.com> wrote in
    news:3b58427f@news.devx.com:

    > "Tim Romano" <tim_romano@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    > news:Xns90E3C440BF025timromano@209.1.14.192...
    >>
    >> (2) Microsoft, as a monopoly, has obligations that a mere holder of
    >> significant market-share does not have.

    >
    > And when did Sun submit Java to a standards body?
    >


    That Sun did or did not submit Java to a standards body is beside the
    point.
    Tim Romano

  7. #7
    Dennis Bronstein Guest

    Re: ALERT – XP COULD DISABLE JAVA IN WEB BROWSERS AND EMAIL

    No, it's the same point. Sun has a monopoly on Java. It's not Microsoft's
    responsibility to make sure it works on Windows, it's Sun's.

    "Tim Romano" <tim_romano@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:Xns90E479AF5D33Atimromano@209.1.14.192...
    > "Dennis Bronstein" <dbronstein@yahoo.com> wrote in
    > news:3b58427f@news.devx.com:
    >
    > > "Tim Romano" <tim_romano@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    > > news:Xns90E3C440BF025timromano@209.1.14.192...
    > >>
    > >> (2) Microsoft, as a monopoly, has obligations that a mere holder of
    > >> significant market-share does not have.

    > >
    > > And when did Sun submit Java to a standards body?
    > >

    >
    > That Sun did or did not submit Java to a standards body is beside the
    > point.
    > Tim Romano




  8. #8
    Tim Romano Guest

    Re: ALERT – XP COULD DISABLE JAVA IN WEB BROWSERS AND EMAIL

    Your concepts of "monopoly" are uninformed.
    Tim Romano

    "Dennis Bronstein" <dbronstein@yahoo.com> wrote in
    news:3b58576e$1@news.devx.com:

    > No, it's the same point. Sun has a monopoly on Java. It's not
    > Microsoft's responsibility to make sure it works on Windows, it's
    > Sun's.
    >
    > "Tim Romano" <tim_romano@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    > news:Xns90E479AF5D33Atimromano@209.1.14.192...
    >> "Dennis Bronstein" <dbronstein@yahoo.com> wrote in
    >> news:3b58427f@news.devx.com:
    >>
    >> > "Tim Romano" <tim_romano@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    >> > news:Xns90E3C440BF025timromano@209.1.14.192...
    >> >>
    >> >> (2) Microsoft, as a monopoly, has obligations that a mere holder of
    >> >> significant market-share does not have.
    >> >
    >> > And when did Sun submit Java to a standards body?
    >> >

    >>
    >> That Sun did or did not submit Java to a standards body is beside the
    >> point. Tim Romano

    >
    >
    >



  9. #9
    David Kroll Guest

    Re: ALERT – XP COULD DISABLE JAVA IN WEB BROWSERS AND EMAIL


    "Debbie Locker" <dlocker@possie.org> wrote:
    >
    >Unpublicized changes to security settings and their definitions in the current
    >beta of Windows XP could deny millions of users email and web browser access
    >to Internet content enabled through Java applets.


    You know, sometimes I really feel sorry for Microsoft. First, people get
    on their case because their software isn't secure enough. Then, when they
    try to do something about it, people get on their case for making their software
    unreasonably secure. I guess when you are a company as visible as Microsoft,
    you won't be able to please everybody.

    I would also like to add the following:

    1. The Java security model is not air tight. There are documented exploits
    that one can take advantage of, and I wouldn't be surprised if there are
    exploits that have yet to be discovered. Any time you download and run code
    on your machine, you should be wary.

    2. If somebody wants to run a Java applet in their browser, they are free
    to adjust the settings. That's what the settings are there for. They allow
    people to take control of their environment.


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