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  1. #1
    Gregg Guest

    I refuse to get a degree.


    Ironically enough, I've argued for certification but refuse to get a degree.

    The reason?

    My local community college insists that any IT degree I get be loaded down
    with 8, count 'em, 8 hours of cobol.

    Excuse me?

    Could I please have 8 hours of XML?

    So I'm not at all interested in a degree because I want to be a programmer,
    not a historian.

    =)

  2. #2
    Joe Monroe Guest

    Re: I refuse to get a degree.

    Maybe you could look into a different school?

    "Gregg" <thelenj@bettercontent.net> wrote in message
    news:3c024998@147.208.176.211...
    >
    > Ironically enough, I've argued for certification but refuse to get a

    degree.
    >
    > The reason?
    >
    > My local community college insists that any IT degree I get be loaded down
    > with 8, count 'em, 8 hours of cobol.
    >
    > Excuse me?
    >
    > Could I please have 8 hours of XML?
    >
    > So I'm not at all interested in a degree because I want to be a

    programmer,
    > not a historian.
    >
    > =)




  3. #3
    Mike B Guest

    Re: I refuse to get a degree.


    I got my degree at University of Washington ( one of the top 10 schools in
    computer science ) and it was all pretty relevant. Maybe you should try
    applying to MIT?

    Of course you shouldn't be a historian, but there is a difference between
    people who just need to use the tools and people who understand the architecture
    of computing. If my next job is in cobol I could care less. You get past
    the syntax after a certain point.

    Good luck.

    "Gregg" <thelenj@bettercontent.net> wrote:
    >
    >Ironically enough, I've argued for certification but refuse to get a degree.
    >
    >The reason?
    >
    >My local community college insists that any IT degree I get be loaded down
    >with 8, count 'em, 8 hours of cobol.
    >
    >Excuse me?
    >
    >Could I please have 8 hours of XML?
    >
    >So I'm not at all interested in a degree because I want to be a programmer,
    >not a historian.
    >
    >=)



  4. #4
    Aaron Sevivas Guest

    Re: I refuse to get a degree.


    I agree. At the time I attended school, I was working as a full time c++/VB/Sql
    programmer. I was working on a 3tier app that used sockets with a home cooked,
    FAT but deadly, encrypted xml protocol that I made (I know, kinda icky
    but I was a beginner!) (back in the days where xml was still a fuzzy acronym
    in the IT universe). Anyways, at work I was using the latest technologies,
    connecting machines located hundreds of miles away around the US, coming
    up with elegant algorithms for data integrity/syncronization. Writing beautiful
    clients with VB, fast ATL COM components etc. Afer work I would go to school
    (UNLV) and the class would be like, building address books in C, or write
    an assembly program that sorts characters, all the while I sit there and
    think "God this is worthless.."..

    Then something very strange happens after you start to mature in the IT industry
    (Going on 7 years for me) and get some experience. You shed the loyalty/belief
    in a single language and instead look to architecture/design patterns as
    your true commodity/source of competence. This is the point you look back
    at your school years and say, "Ohhhhh...Thats why he taught this..." Then
    you start to dig out your old textbooks and read through them and, this time,
    get a true understanding of what/why this is being taught (now its enjoyable
    reading instead of an excercise). Many of you who read this might have gotten
    it the first time around, but it wasn't like that with me. Therefor, to
    all who contemplate going to school/not, in my experience, those who go to
    school and study computer science seem to have more depth, on average than
    those who don't for obvious reasons. Thats not to say a hard working intelligent
    person who doesn't go on to college can't have that depth, its just that
    college gives you a huge head start AFTER you realize what your teachers
    have taught you. My $.02..

    ~aaron

    "Mike B" <ezxs@flashmail.com> wrote:
    >
    >I got my degree at University of Washington ( one of the top 10 schools

    in
    >computer science ) and it was all pretty relevant. Maybe you should try
    >applying to MIT?
    >
    >Of course you shouldn't be a historian, but there is a difference between
    >people who just need to use the tools and people who understand the architecture
    >of computing. If my next job is in cobol I could care less. You get past
    >the syntax after a certain point.
    >
    >Good luck.
    >
    >"Gregg" <thelenj@bettercontent.net> wrote:
    >>
    >>Ironically enough, I've argued for certification but refuse to get a degree.
    >>
    >>The reason?
    >>
    >>My local community college insists that any IT degree I get be loaded down
    >>with 8, count 'em, 8 hours of cobol.
    >>
    >>Excuse me?
    >>
    >>Could I please have 8 hours of XML?
    >>
    >>So I'm not at all interested in a degree because I want to be a programmer,
    >>not a historian.
    >>
    >>=)

    >



  5. #5
    Daniel Guest

    Re: I refuse to get a degree.


    I agree, although, I think I would avoid COBOL...

    I did a year of COBOL in my first degree and even then [1994] I wondered
    why we did it at the time... it was often said, "it's a dead languaged..."
    etc..

    I now develop in VB/C++/Jscript/XML etc... and yet the number of times I
    call on the knowledge I attained while studying COBOL is amazing... learning
    the fundamentals, implementing linked lists, stacks and queues etc. sure,
    you can learn the same things utilising other languages such as C, however,
    COBOL for most newbie students is probably less daunting???

    A couple of years ago, I was doing some work for a bank and I found myself
    debuging COBOL code... I was glad for the year of COBOL then!! 6 months ago
    I was debugging some VB code which implemented a stack-based rules processing
    system, a concept I first learnt during COBOL lessons!!

    I for one am glad I learnt COBOL, for all it supposed irrelevance...


    "Mike B" <ezxs@flashmail.com> wrote:
    >
    >I got my degree at University of Washington ( one of the top 10 schools

    in
    >computer science ) and it was all pretty relevant. Maybe you should try
    >applying to MIT?
    >
    >Of course you shouldn't be a historian, but there is a difference between
    >people who just need to use the tools and people who understand the architecture
    >of computing. If my next job is in cobol I could care less. You get past
    >the syntax after a certain point.
    >
    >Good luck.
    >
    >"Gregg" <thelenj@bettercontent.net> wrote:
    >>
    >>Ironically enough, I've argued for certification but refuse to get a degree.
    >>
    >>The reason?
    >>
    >>My local community college insists that any IT degree I get be loaded down
    >>with 8, count 'em, 8 hours of cobol.
    >>
    >>Excuse me?
    >>
    >>Could I please have 8 hours of XML?
    >>
    >>So I'm not at all interested in a degree because I want to be a programmer,
    >>not a historian.
    >>
    >>=)

    >



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