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  1. #61
    Phil Weber Guest

    Re: strPtr()?

    John: I'm curious whether you consider my reply a "haranguing attack." I
    tried to present my point of view in a calm and reasonable fashion.
    ---
    Phil Weber



  2. #62
    Karl E. Peterson Guest

    Re: strPtr()?

    Take it to the offramp, bub. :-)
    --
    http://www.mvps.org/vb


    "Anthony Jones" <yadayadayada@msn.com> wrote in message
    news:3909c217@news.devx.com...
    > >It's all about thinking about other people before oneself.

    >
    > A fine suggestion! If such a principle were applied globally the world
    > would be a much better place. I seem to remember some suggesting it
    > before, something like 2000 years ago, unfortunately the message didn't go
    > down too well with general populace at that time either. :-(
    >
    > Sorry, just slightly off the API topic.
    >
    > --
    > Anthony Jones
    > Secta Group Ltd
    > AnthonyWJones@msn.com
    >
    >




  3. #63
    Karl E. Peterson Guest

    Re: strPtr()?

    Take it to the offramp, bub. :-)
    --
    http://www.mvps.org/vb


    "Anthony Jones" <yadayadayada@msn.com> wrote in message
    news:3909c217@news.devx.com...
    > >It's all about thinking about other people before oneself.

    >
    > A fine suggestion! If such a principle were applied globally the world
    > would be a much better place. I seem to remember some suggesting it
    > before, something like 2000 years ago, unfortunately the message didn't go
    > down too well with general populace at that time either. :-(
    >
    > Sorry, just slightly off the API topic.
    >
    > --
    > Anthony Jones
    > Secta Group Ltd
    > AnthonyWJones@msn.com
    >
    >




  4. #64
    Michael Culley Guest

    Re: strPtr()?


    John,

    Why don't you use your real name and email address? I very rarely get spammed
    and I always use my own email address. I think that part of the hostility
    you refer to is partly to do with this. People tend to respect people who
    use a fake name and email address less. Especially, with an email address
    of 666@666.666. This is only my opinion, but I think it is a little teenagerish
    ie I would have thought it was really cool when I was a teenager, hence people
    will give you less respect.

    Mike Culley


    "- John of Arc -" <666@666.666> wrote:
    >
    >Matthew Solnit <msolnit@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    >news:39098b76@news.devx.com...
    >
    >....
    >> This is probably going overboard, but I did recently post to vb.oop and

    to
    >> microsoft.public.vb.com at the same time, and I would like to apologize.

    >I
    >> won't do that again. Now, how come nobody responded goldangit?
    >>
    >> -- Matthew Solnit
    >> msolnit@yahoo.com

    >
    >
    >That's the way the way with certain topics and with many newsgroups.
    >People are quick to answer the common questions and easy questions, and
    >they're quick to attack people.
    >
    >Waiting a day two before posting to a second server is a very good idea.

    I
    >will do that in the future.
    >
    >Thank you, Matthew Solnit, for approaching the topic with a reasonable
    >attitude.
    >
    >My reply email address is real one. I is foolish to use a real one (one's
    >own, at least) as the primary email address for a news account. Relative
    >anonymity is one of the good things about the internet, especially given

    its
    >huge population and the potential for exploitation.
    >
    >I don't know if the advice on writing subject lines is generic in nature

    or
    >not. If not, I have never been guilty of posting anything like a like "My
    >app crashes on this line when doing this" or, what in my opinion is worse,
    >asking people to write code for me (though there are a couple of newsgroups
    >that seem very friendly to code-exchange). I prefer to ask for general
    >advice on a topic, and pointers to URLs and MSDN Library/Knowledge Base
    >article titles and 'Q' numbers, as well as topics in the SDK and posts
    >listed on deja and the other news search services.
    >
    >The haranguing responses to my explanation of why I double-posted do not
    >address the rationale I presented, nor do they address the notion that the
    >internet is the last place where legalism, purism, fundamentalism, elitism,
    >and conformism should be the norm. My friendly and legitimate response was
    >simply written off. If "community" means anything real, then the immediate
    >and reactionary attacks on my posts violate the idea of "community". If

    they
    >were friendly suggestions, that would be one thing. If they were open to
    >suggestion, as I am apparently supposed to be, that would be one thing.

    The
    >flaming responses to my post might be in order if my explanation had been
    >malicious, but it wasn't.
    >
    >Newsgroups and email lists bring out the worst and unfriendliest behaviour
    >in people, I've noticed.
    >Filtering me is pretty reactionary, announcing it on the newsgroup is pretty
    >rude.
    >
    >I have been participating in newsgroups with the initial attacker for a
    >couple of years now, under several different accounts, and I have so far
    >been viewed as a normal and helpful participant of newsgroups. Where I

    have
    >known anything on a topic, I have been quick to offer suggestions to
    >questions asked. The sudden reaction to a perceived infraction is
    >completely un-called-for.
    >
    >It's a very strange and rare experience, if you've actually had spammers
    >take the time to explain their rationale to you. The name-calling doesn't
    >refute my explanation any more than anything else that has been said. If
    >you are of the opinion that there should be only one school of thought on
    >the topic of newsgroup etiquette, and that school of thought should be your
    >own, then we certainly have nothing else to talk about. If it is your

    aim
    >to convince me of your extreme and impractical position (it is extreme and
    >impractical when applied to the extreme extent that it is being applied
    >here.), you'll have to take a different tack. I see that you are not open
    >to re-thinking your opinion on the topic. Given that, I wonder why you
    >expect that I should?
    >
    >I disagree with the spirit and the attitude of the attacks more than I do
    >the idea behind them.
    >For those who get religious about the various schools of "netiquette" -
    >well, you probably aren't really listening at this point anyway, just typing
    >your next flame. I will always disagree with any kind of policy or opinion
    >that in effect squelches conversation on newsgroups and has the effect of
    >reducing the effectiveness of newsgroups as a vehicle for conversion and

    the
    >sharing of knowledge and ideas.
    >
    >"Community" and "government" are two very different things. Government is
    >concerned about rules and enforcement and conformity. Community is the
    >friendly forum for the participation and interaction of individuals. A real
    >community is not interested in attacking and ostracizing, especially over

    an
    >occasional perceived aberration. A real community is not quick to react.
    >Community is not about catching infractions. A community does not write

    off
    >a long-time participant over a single disagreement. A real community has

    a
    >helpful attitude. A real community is more interested in the whole organic
    >process and its effective outcome than it is on enforcing form.
    >
    >I agree that cross-posting is generally a bad idea. Let us note the word
    >"generally".
    >Rules and understandings should exist and be held for a good reason. They
    >should be generally applied toward the end of that reason.
    >They should be ignored when they detract from that reason.
    >
    >



  5. #65
    Michael Culley Guest

    Re: strPtr()?


    John,

    Why don't you use your real name and email address? I very rarely get spammed
    and I always use my own email address. I think that part of the hostility
    you refer to is partly to do with this. People tend to respect people who
    use a fake name and email address less. Especially, with an email address
    of 666@666.666. This is only my opinion, but I think it is a little teenagerish
    ie I would have thought it was really cool when I was a teenager, hence people
    will give you less respect.

    Mike Culley


    "- John of Arc -" <666@666.666> wrote:
    >
    >Matthew Solnit <msolnit@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    >news:39098b76@news.devx.com...
    >
    >....
    >> This is probably going overboard, but I did recently post to vb.oop and

    to
    >> microsoft.public.vb.com at the same time, and I would like to apologize.

    >I
    >> won't do that again. Now, how come nobody responded goldangit?
    >>
    >> -- Matthew Solnit
    >> msolnit@yahoo.com

    >
    >
    >That's the way the way with certain topics and with many newsgroups.
    >People are quick to answer the common questions and easy questions, and
    >they're quick to attack people.
    >
    >Waiting a day two before posting to a second server is a very good idea.

    I
    >will do that in the future.
    >
    >Thank you, Matthew Solnit, for approaching the topic with a reasonable
    >attitude.
    >
    >My reply email address is real one. I is foolish to use a real one (one's
    >own, at least) as the primary email address for a news account. Relative
    >anonymity is one of the good things about the internet, especially given

    its
    >huge population and the potential for exploitation.
    >
    >I don't know if the advice on writing subject lines is generic in nature

    or
    >not. If not, I have never been guilty of posting anything like a like "My
    >app crashes on this line when doing this" or, what in my opinion is worse,
    >asking people to write code for me (though there are a couple of newsgroups
    >that seem very friendly to code-exchange). I prefer to ask for general
    >advice on a topic, and pointers to URLs and MSDN Library/Knowledge Base
    >article titles and 'Q' numbers, as well as topics in the SDK and posts
    >listed on deja and the other news search services.
    >
    >The haranguing responses to my explanation of why I double-posted do not
    >address the rationale I presented, nor do they address the notion that the
    >internet is the last place where legalism, purism, fundamentalism, elitism,
    >and conformism should be the norm. My friendly and legitimate response was
    >simply written off. If "community" means anything real, then the immediate
    >and reactionary attacks on my posts violate the idea of "community". If

    they
    >were friendly suggestions, that would be one thing. If they were open to
    >suggestion, as I am apparently supposed to be, that would be one thing.

    The
    >flaming responses to my post might be in order if my explanation had been
    >malicious, but it wasn't.
    >
    >Newsgroups and email lists bring out the worst and unfriendliest behaviour
    >in people, I've noticed.
    >Filtering me is pretty reactionary, announcing it on the newsgroup is pretty
    >rude.
    >
    >I have been participating in newsgroups with the initial attacker for a
    >couple of years now, under several different accounts, and I have so far
    >been viewed as a normal and helpful participant of newsgroups. Where I

    have
    >known anything on a topic, I have been quick to offer suggestions to
    >questions asked. The sudden reaction to a perceived infraction is
    >completely un-called-for.
    >
    >It's a very strange and rare experience, if you've actually had spammers
    >take the time to explain their rationale to you. The name-calling doesn't
    >refute my explanation any more than anything else that has been said. If
    >you are of the opinion that there should be only one school of thought on
    >the topic of newsgroup etiquette, and that school of thought should be your
    >own, then we certainly have nothing else to talk about. If it is your

    aim
    >to convince me of your extreme and impractical position (it is extreme and
    >impractical when applied to the extreme extent that it is being applied
    >here.), you'll have to take a different tack. I see that you are not open
    >to re-thinking your opinion on the topic. Given that, I wonder why you
    >expect that I should?
    >
    >I disagree with the spirit and the attitude of the attacks more than I do
    >the idea behind them.
    >For those who get religious about the various schools of "netiquette" -
    >well, you probably aren't really listening at this point anyway, just typing
    >your next flame. I will always disagree with any kind of policy or opinion
    >that in effect squelches conversation on newsgroups and has the effect of
    >reducing the effectiveness of newsgroups as a vehicle for conversion and

    the
    >sharing of knowledge and ideas.
    >
    >"Community" and "government" are two very different things. Government is
    >concerned about rules and enforcement and conformity. Community is the
    >friendly forum for the participation and interaction of individuals. A real
    >community is not interested in attacking and ostracizing, especially over

    an
    >occasional perceived aberration. A real community is not quick to react.
    >Community is not about catching infractions. A community does not write

    off
    >a long-time participant over a single disagreement. A real community has

    a
    >helpful attitude. A real community is more interested in the whole organic
    >process and its effective outcome than it is on enforcing form.
    >
    >I agree that cross-posting is generally a bad idea. Let us note the word
    >"generally".
    >Rules and understandings should exist and be held for a good reason. They
    >should be generally applied toward the end of that reason.
    >They should be ignored when they detract from that reason.
    >
    >



  6. #66
    Colin McGuigan Guest

    Re: strPtr()?

    Michael Culley wrote in message <390a8c3d$1@news.devx.com>...
    >
    >John,
    >
    >Why don't you use your real name and email address? I very rarely get

    spammed
    >and I always use my own email address. I think that part of the hostility
    >you refer to is partly to do with this. People tend to respect people who
    >use a fake name and email address less. Especially, with an email address
    >of 666@666.666. This is only my opinion, but I think it is a little

    teenagerish
    >ie I would have thought it was really cool when I was a teenager, hence

    people
    >will give you less respect.
    >
    >Mike Culley


    Actually, I've begun receiving spam as of late. Now, this could be because
    one of the listserv's that I'm on is harvesting the addies, but I'm more
    inclined to suspect that someone (or many someones) are harvesting devx for
    technical-oriented e-mails.

    Although, yeah, 666@666.666 is kind of silly as an e-mail addy. =P


    --
    Colin McGuigan




  7. #67
    Colin McGuigan Guest

    Re: strPtr()?

    Michael Culley wrote in message <390a8c3d$1@news.devx.com>...
    >
    >John,
    >
    >Why don't you use your real name and email address? I very rarely get

    spammed
    >and I always use my own email address. I think that part of the hostility
    >you refer to is partly to do with this. People tend to respect people who
    >use a fake name and email address less. Especially, with an email address
    >of 666@666.666. This is only my opinion, but I think it is a little

    teenagerish
    >ie I would have thought it was really cool when I was a teenager, hence

    people
    >will give you less respect.
    >
    >Mike Culley


    Actually, I've begun receiving spam as of late. Now, this could be because
    one of the listserv's that I'm on is harvesting the addies, but I'm more
    inclined to suspect that someone (or many someones) are harvesting devx for
    technical-oriented e-mails.

    Although, yeah, 666@666.666 is kind of silly as an e-mail addy. =P


    --
    Colin McGuigan




  8. #68
    Jonathan Wood Guest

    Re: strPtr()?

    Michael,

    > Why don't you use your real name and email address? I very rarely get

    spammed
    > and I always use my own email address.


    Consider yourself lucky. I receive loads of SPAM as a result of my
    activities in the newsgroups.

    It totally sucks but since I conduct business on the Internet, I really have
    no choice but to include my real email addresses.

    --
    Jonathan Wood
    SoftCircuits Programming
    http://www.softcircuits.com



  9. #69
    Jonathan Wood Guest

    Re: strPtr()?

    Michael,

    > Why don't you use your real name and email address? I very rarely get

    spammed
    > and I always use my own email address.


    Consider yourself lucky. I receive loads of SPAM as a result of my
    activities in the newsgroups.

    It totally sucks but since I conduct business on the Internet, I really have
    no choice but to include my real email addresses.

    --
    Jonathan Wood
    SoftCircuits Programming
    http://www.softcircuits.com



  10. #70
    Mike Culley Guest

    Re: strPtr()?


    Maybe I'm lucky, but I never receive spam on my email account. As a general
    rule, if somewhere dodgy wants my email, I use my hotmail account, which
    does get spam - usually about home loans. The thing with dev-x is that someone
    has to go to the trouble to type in the address, so it is less likely, but
    certainly not impossible. This probably means that putting NOSPAM in the
    email address doesn't help.

    I worked for a company that did alot of SPAM using the telephone - 36000
    calls per week to sell the product 20 times if they were lucky. I know from
    first hand experience that if a company has to spam to sell their product
    then it is no good. If it was any good it would sell itself and they would
    not have time to spam.

    Mike Culley
    "Colin McGuigan" <colin@chicor.com> wrote:
    >Michael Culley wrote in message <390a8c3d$1@news.devx.com>...
    >>
    >>John,
    >>
    >>Why don't you use your real name and email address? I very rarely get

    >spammed
    >>and I always use my own email address. I think that part of the hostility
    >>you refer to is partly to do with this. People tend to respect people who
    >>use a fake name and email address less. Especially, with an email address
    >>of 666@666.666. This is only my opinion, but I think it is a little

    >teenagerish
    >>ie I would have thought it was really cool when I was a teenager, hence

    >people
    >>will give you less respect.
    >>
    >>Mike Culley

    >
    >Actually, I've begun receiving spam as of late. Now, this could be because
    >one of the listserv's that I'm on is harvesting the addies, but I'm more
    >inclined to suspect that someone (or many someones) are harvesting devx

    for
    >technical-oriented e-mails.
    >
    >Although, yeah, 666@666.666 is kind of silly as an e-mail addy. =P
    >
    >
    >--
    >Colin McGuigan
    >
    >
    >



  11. #71
    Mike Culley Guest

    Re: strPtr()?


    Maybe I'm lucky, but I never receive spam on my email account. As a general
    rule, if somewhere dodgy wants my email, I use my hotmail account, which
    does get spam - usually about home loans. The thing with dev-x is that someone
    has to go to the trouble to type in the address, so it is less likely, but
    certainly not impossible. This probably means that putting NOSPAM in the
    email address doesn't help.

    I worked for a company that did alot of SPAM using the telephone - 36000
    calls per week to sell the product 20 times if they were lucky. I know from
    first hand experience that if a company has to spam to sell their product
    then it is no good. If it was any good it would sell itself and they would
    not have time to spam.

    Mike Culley
    "Colin McGuigan" <colin@chicor.com> wrote:
    >Michael Culley wrote in message <390a8c3d$1@news.devx.com>...
    >>
    >>John,
    >>
    >>Why don't you use your real name and email address? I very rarely get

    >spammed
    >>and I always use my own email address. I think that part of the hostility
    >>you refer to is partly to do with this. People tend to respect people who
    >>use a fake name and email address less. Especially, with an email address
    >>of 666@666.666. This is only my opinion, but I think it is a little

    >teenagerish
    >>ie I would have thought it was really cool when I was a teenager, hence

    >people
    >>will give you less respect.
    >>
    >>Mike Culley

    >
    >Actually, I've begun receiving spam as of late. Now, this could be because
    >one of the listserv's that I'm on is harvesting the addies, but I'm more
    >inclined to suspect that someone (or many someones) are harvesting devx

    for
    >technical-oriented e-mails.
    >
    >Although, yeah, 666@666.666 is kind of silly as an e-mail addy. =P
    >
    >
    >--
    >Colin McGuigan
    >
    >
    >



  12. #72
    Phil Weber Guest

    Re: strPtr()?

    > The thing with DevX is that someone has to go to
    > the trouble to type in the address, so it is less likely,
    > but certainly not impossible.


    Mike: *What* is less likely?
    ---
    Phil Weber



  13. #73
    Phil Weber Guest

    Re: strPtr()?

    > The thing with DevX is that someone has to go to
    > the trouble to type in the address, so it is less likely,
    > but certainly not impossible.


    Mike: *What* is less likely?
    ---
    Phil Weber



  14. #74
    Michael \(michka\) Kaplan Guest

    Re: strPtr()?

    Um, I find that spam guards added to the address will filter over 99.9% of
    those.

    --
    MichKa
    "Cause it's a bittersweet symphony, thats life..." -- The Verve

    random junk of dubious value, at the multilingual,
    no scripts required, http://www.trigeminal.com/

    "Jonathan Wood" <jwood@softcircuits.com> wrote in message
    news:390da116@news.devx.com...
    > Michael,
    >
    > > Why don't you use your real name and email address? I very rarely get

    > spammed
    > > and I always use my own email address.

    >
    > Consider yourself lucky. I receive loads of SPAM as a result of my
    > activities in the newsgroups.
    >
    > It totally sucks but since I conduct business on the Internet, I really

    have
    > no choice but to include my real email addresses.
    >
    > --
    > Jonathan Wood
    > SoftCircuits Programming
    > http://www.softcircuits.com
    >
    >




  15. #75
    Michael \(michka\) Kaplan Guest

    Re: strPtr()?

    Um, I find that spam guards added to the address will filter over 99.9% of
    those.

    --
    MichKa
    "Cause it's a bittersweet symphony, thats life..." -- The Verve

    random junk of dubious value, at the multilingual,
    no scripts required, http://www.trigeminal.com/

    "Jonathan Wood" <jwood@softcircuits.com> wrote in message
    news:390da116@news.devx.com...
    > Michael,
    >
    > > Why don't you use your real name and email address? I very rarely get

    > spammed
    > > and I always use my own email address.

    >
    > Consider yourself lucky. I receive loads of SPAM as a result of my
    > activities in the newsgroups.
    >
    > It totally sucks but since I conduct business on the Internet, I really

    have
    > no choice but to include my real email addresses.
    >
    > --
    > Jonathan Wood
    > SoftCircuits Programming
    > http://www.softcircuits.com
    >
    >




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