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  1. #1
    Nollen Guest

    Enough Language Bigotry!


    The first rule of conduct in “professional programming” is to avoid language
    bigotry. Each and every language has its own purpose and design. A language
    is a tool in the programmer’s hands. Can you imagine a carpenter arguing
    with other carpenters why a hammer is better than a chisel? Obviously not…if
    you are so “hung up” on language bigotry and or language superiority, you
    might want to think about your motives or reasons. Most bigots are simply
    confused and ignorant about the facts. Grow up.

    -Nollen-


  2. #2
    Michael Culley Guest

    Re: Enough Language Bigotry!

    Nollen,

    This is a very good point. I've seen it lead to programmers trying to bang
    in a nail with a saw. I think it is generally caused be a lack of knowledge.
    if someone knows one language very well but not others they tend to be
    biased towards that language. Once they gain a knowledge of other languages
    this bias tends to disappear.

    --
    Michael Culley
    www.vbdotcom.com

    "Nollen" <Nollen@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:3a876d8b$1@news.devx.com...
    >
    > The first rule of conduct in "professional programming" is to avoid

    language
    > bigotry. Each and every language has its own purpose and design. A

    language
    > is a tool in the programmer's hands. Can you imagine a carpenter arguing
    > with other carpenters why a hammer is better than a chisel? Obviously

    not.if
    > you are so "hung up" on language bigotry and or language superiority, you
    > might want to think about your motives or reasons. Most bigots are simply
    > confused and ignorant about the facts. Grow up.
    >
    > -Nollen-
    >




  3. #3
    Mark Burns Guest

    Re: Enough Language Bigotry!

    Ok. Nollen...

    Was that post intended to slam everyone here, or just to insult some
    particular someone(s)?

    "Nollen" <Nollen@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:3a876d8b$1@news.devx.com...
    >
    > The first rule of conduct in "professional programming" is to avoid

    language
    > bigotry. Each and every language has its own purpose and design. A

    language
    > is a tool in the programmer's hands. Can you imagine a carpenter arguing
    > with other carpenters why a hammer is better than a chisel? Obviously

    not.if
    > you are so "hung up" on language bigotry and or language superiority, you
    > might want to think about your motives or reasons. Most bigots are simply
    > confused and ignorant about the facts. Grow up.
    >
    > -Nollen-
    >




  4. #4
    Joe \Nuke Me Xemu\ Foster Guest

    Re: Enough Language Bigotry!

    "Nollen" <Nollen@hotmail.com> wrote in message <news:3a876d8b$1@news.devx.com>...

    > The first rule of conduct in “professional programming” is to avoid language
    > bigotry. Each and every language has its own purpose and design. A language
    > is a tool in the programmer’s hands. Can you imagine a carpenter arguing
    > with other carpenters why a hammer is better than a chisel? Obviously not…if
    > you are so “hung up” on language bigotry and or language superiority, you
    > might want to think about your motives or reasons. Most bigots are simply
    > confused and ignorant about the facts. Grow up.


    So why is Microsoft trying to turn VB into Smalltalk?

    --
    Joe Foster <mailto:jfoster@ricochet.net> Space Cooties! <http://www.xenu.net/>
    WARNING: I cannot be held responsible for the above They're coming to
    because my cats have apparently learned to type. take me away, ha ha!



  5. #5
    Bill McCarthy Guest

    Re: Enough Language Bigotry!

    Hi Mark,

    see:
    news://news.devx.com/3a876b3d$1@news.devx.com

    I think that 'splains *who* he was talking about <g>

    "Mark Burns" <mark@iolofpa.com> wrote in message
    news:3a877d11@news.devx.com...
    > Ok. Nollen...
    >
    > Was that post intended to slam everyone here, or just to insult some
    > particular someone(s)?
    >
    > "Nollen" <Nollen@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:3a876d8b$1@news.devx.com...
    > >





  6. #6
    Mark Burns Guest

    Re: Enough Language Bigotry!


    "Bill McCarthy" <Bill_McC@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
    news:3a87a654@news.devx.com...
    > Hi Mark,
    >
    > see:
    > news://news.devx.com/3a876b3d$1@news.devx.com
    >
    > I think that 'splains *who* he was talking about <g>


    Yeah, I saw that - and in sequence too, but his post was just too broadly
    phrased for my liking. :-/




  7. #7
    Jacob Grass Guest

    Re: Enough Language Bigotry!

    According to this link:
    http://csep.iit.edu/codes/coe/IPG-CoE.html

    A Professional Programmer shall:

    1. conduct himself towards other professional programmers with courtesy and
    good faith and without malicious intent.

    is the first rule of conduct amongst professional programmers. Language
    bigotry is not explicitly opposed. It could be interpreted as such, but
    that leads to more subjectivity and "discussion."

    Jacob

    "Nollen" <Nollen@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:3a876d8b$1@news.devx.com...
    >
    > The first rule of conduct in “professional programming” is to avoid

    language
    > bigotry. Each and every language has its own purpose and design. A

    language
    > is a tool in the programmer’s hands. Can you imagine a carpenter arguing
    > with other carpenters why a hammer is better than a chisel? Obviously

    not…if
    > you are so “hung up” on language bigotry and or language superiority, you
    > might want to think about your motives or reasons. Most bigots are simply
    > confused and ignorant about the facts. Grow up.
    >
    > -Nollen-
    >




  8. #8
    Thomas Eyde Guest

    Re: Enough Language Bigotry!

    If they only had, but they are not. Smalltalk is typeless and doesn't
    require you to explicitly define your methods as overrideable.

    /Thomas

    "Joe "Nuke Me Xemu" Foster" <joe@bftsi0.UUCP> wrote in message
    news:3a8791ef@news.devx.com...
    > So why is Microsoft trying to turn VB into Smalltalk?





  9. #9
    Nollen Guest

    Re: Enough Language Bigotry!


    Thanks Michael,

    I appreciate your support. It’s good to see reasonable minds at work. In
    response to other replies, I was NOT trying to insult anyone. That would
    obviously forfeit what I was trying to say and my point in general. I won't
    respond to any flames about this, there is no need for it. I have better
    things to do, as I’m sure we all do.

    : )

    Cheers,

    -Nollen-


    "Michael Culley" <mike@vbdotcom.com> wrote:
    >Nollen,
    >
    >This is a very good point. I've seen it lead to programmers trying to bang
    >in a nail with a saw. I think it is generally caused be a lack of knowledge.
    >if someone knows one language very well but not others they tend to be
    >biased towards that language. Once they gain a knowledge of other languages
    >this bias tends to disappear.
    >
    >--
    >Michael Culley
    >www.vbdotcom.com
    >
    >"Nollen" <Nollen@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >news:3a876d8b$1@news.devx.com...
    >>
    >> The first rule of conduct in "professional programming" is to avoid

    >language
    >> bigotry. Each and every language has its own purpose and design. A

    >language
    >> is a tool in the programmer's hands. Can you imagine a carpenter arguing
    >> with other carpenters why a hammer is better than a chisel? Obviously

    >not.if
    >> you are so "hung up" on language bigotry and or language superiority,

    you
    >> might want to think about your motives or reasons. Most bigots are simply
    >> confused and ignorant about the facts. Grow up.
    >>
    >> -Nollen-
    >>

    >
    >



  10. #10
    Tom Barnaby Guest

    Re: Enough Language Bigotry!


    "Jacob Grass" <JGrass@abilitisolutions.com> wrote:
    >According to this link:
    >http://csep.iit.edu/codes/coe/IPG-CoE.html
    >
    >A Professional Programmer shall:
    >
    >1. conduct himself towards other professional programmers with courtesy


    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    >and good faith and without malicious intent.


    I guess that means I can be as rude as I want to be on this board ;-)

    BTW, My "Professional Programmer Handbook" say the first rule is to ingest
    lots of caffiene.

    Tom Barnaby
    www.intertech-inc.com

  11. #11
    Mike Mitchell Guest

    Re: Enough Language Bigotry!

    On 12 Feb 2001 09:02:22 -0800, "Nollen" <Nollen@hotmail.com> wrote:

    >I appreciate your support. It’s good to see reasonable minds at work. In
    >response to other replies, I was NOT trying to insult anyone. That would
    >obviously forfeit what I was trying to say and my point in general. I won't
    >respond to any flames about this, there is no need for it. I have better
    >things to do, as I’m sure we all do.


    You're absolutely right, of course. Mind you, I fail to see how anyone
    in their right mind could possibly WANT to program in that
    God-forsaken language known as C....

    Oops, sorry! Just kinda, sorta, slipped out when my other hand wasn't
    looking.

    MM

  12. #12
    Mike Mitchell Guest

    Re: Enough Language Bigotry!

    On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 09:57:34 -0600, "Jacob Grass"
    <JGrass@abilitisolutions.com> wrote:

    >A Professional Programmer shall:
    >
    >1. conduct himself towards other professional programmers with courtesy and
    >good faith and without malicious intent.


    Well, you could say this about the whole human race, not just
    programmers, nor even the professional ones.

    MM

  13. #13
    Nollen Guest

    Re: Enough Language Bigotry!


    Mike, do you enjoy playing computer games or video games in general? Well,
    virtually every single game...such as Quake and Unreal have been programmed
    in the C and C++ languages (with some assembler). The Microsoft Windows operating
    systems, MAC OS, UNIX etc....ALL products of the C and C++ programming languages.
    C and C++ are here to stay. Real languages for REAL programmers....oops!
    That slipped out too...hee-hee. Oh yeah, honest to God, one of my well respected
    programming teachers in college once told me "A Visual Basic programmer is
    NOT a real programmer...just someone who knows how to use a fancy editor
    well.". Hmmm, he could have just had a bad day...but who knows? ; )

    -Nollen-



    kylix_is@hotmail.com (Mike Mitchell) wrote:
    >On 12 Feb 2001 09:02:22 -0800, "Nollen" <Nollen@hotmail.com> wrote:
    >
    >>I appreciate your support. It’s good to see reasonable minds at work. In
    >>response to other replies, I was NOT trying to insult anyone. That would
    >>obviously forfeit what I was trying to say and my point in general. I won't
    >>respond to any flames about this, there is no need for it. I have better
    >>things to do, as I’m sure we all do.

    >
    >You're absolutely right, of course. Mind you, I fail to see how anyone
    >in their right mind could possibly WANT to program in that
    >God-forsaken language known as C....
    >
    >Oops, sorry! Just kinda, sorta, slipped out when my other hand wasn't
    >looking.
    >
    >MM



  14. #14
    Mark Burns Guest

    Re: Enough Language Bigotry!


    "Nollen" <Nollen@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:3a887ef6$1@news.devx.com...
    > Oh yeah, honest to God, one of my well respected
    > programming teachers in college once told me "A Visual Basic programmer is
    > NOT a real programmer...just someone who knows how to use a fancy editor
    > well.". Hmmm, he could have just had a bad day...but who knows?


    With all due respect to your "well respected teacher" <which, in this case
    amounts to "not much">, he/she is clearly an idiot suffering from some
    significant language bigotry of his/her own. ...and now You, the dutiful
    student, infected with those language bigotry memes come in here spouting
    off about, of all things, language bigotry??!!!

    BWAHAHAHAHAAA!!!




  15. #15
    Sjoerd Verweij Guest

    Re: Enough Language Bigotry!

    > That slipped out too...hee-hee. Oh yeah, honest to God, one of my well
    > respected programming teachers in college once told me "A Visual Basic
    > programmer is NOT a real programmer...just someone who knows how to use a
    > fancy editor well.".


    I shudder to think what kind of programmers a blithering moron like that
    produces. If a programmer reaches for C++ when asked to create a
    non-performance critical Windows front-end instead of Visual Basic or Delphi
    is _not_ a good programmer.

    A good programmer uses the right tool for the job.




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