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  1. #16
    Karl E. Peterson Guest

    Re: Delphi 6 Personal available for Download

    Hi Zane --

    > >I think LoriTheCancelbot took after us like stink on ____, but I don't recall
    > >actually being kicked out. <g>

    >
    > Ah, that sounds like it could have been it.


    Ben probably still defends her. The ones that *really* made me laugh, though, were
    those TeamB neanderthals.

    > So *** is up with these Borland guys coming over here and trolling for
    > customers. That's about as tacky a move as I've ever seen.


    Pretty smart, really, and I suspect that's half (if not more <g>) the reason it's
    irritating in some ways. This community has been cast out by Microsoft. A **** huge
    proportion of its members are actively evalutating alternatives like never before. A
    competitor would be a *fool* not to be here.

    > Got a line on some Delphi groups? I think it's time to start pointing the
    > virtues of c# out to people over there.


    Gonna be a ****** hard sell, I would think. I sure as **** couldn't come up with any
    reasons to even consider that sort of move, if I were using Delphi. With Classic VB,
    a compelling case could be made. I don't see that with the newer offerings. (And
    that's what *really* pisses me off! I'd love, like nothing else, doing a little
    jihad work again. <g>)

    Later... Karl
    --
    http://www.mvps.org/vb



  2. #17
    Robert Kozak Guest

    Re: Delphi 6 Personal available for Download


    "Karl E. Peterson" <karl@mvps.org> wrote in message
    news:3b697b3e$1@news.devx.com...

    >> Got a line on some Delphi groups? I think it's time to start pointing

    the
    >> virtues of c# out to people over there.


    > Gonna be a ****** hard sell, I would think. I sure as **** couldn't come

    up with any
    > reasons to even consider that sort of move, if I were using Delphi. With

    Classic VB,
    > a compelling case could be made. I don't see that with the newer

    offerings. (And
    > that's what *really* pisses me off! I'd love, like nothing else, doing a

    little
    > jihad work again. <g>)


    I don't think it would be a hard sell at all. Most Delphi developers I know
    are multilingual. That is one of the reasons Delphi developers are so loyal.
    They tend to know other languages but are very comfortable with Object
    Pascal because it is so versatile.

    I am picking up C# because I find it an interesting language and given its
    designer, it is very comfortable for Delphi developers.

    Robert Kozak



  3. #18
    Zane Thomas Guest

    Re: Delphi 6 Personal available for Download

    On Thu, 2 Aug 2001 12:35:01 +0200, "Chris Zaal" <czaal@hotmail.com> wrote:

    >Oh, I didn't know you work for Microsoft.


    Oh, you still don't.

    >However, go ahead. I've found the Delphi guys really tolerant and less
    >paranoid towards someone who uses something else than Delphi.


    That hasn't been my experience.


    --
    The nice thing about standards is that
    there are so many of them to choose from.

  4. #19
    Thomas J. Theobald \(Borland\) Guest

    Re: Delphi 6 Personal available for Download

    > >Oh, I didn't know you work for Microsoft.
    >
    > Oh, you still don't.
    >
    > >However, go ahead. I've found the Delphi guys really tolerant and less
    > >paranoid towards someone who uses something else than Delphi.

    >
    > That hasn't been my experience.


    Just from my own experience, I would bet it doesn't have anything to do with
    your VB/MS affiliation, more with how you treat others in general. But do
    feel free - the Delphi and other Borland groups can be found at
    newsgroups.borland.com - we've got quite a few folks who are pretty
    interested in C#. Many of them have been knee-deep in the VS betas, as
    well, so you might find them mutually informative.

    Of course, you can probably expect to get filtered if you go in there with a
    lot of swearing and personal attacks.

    Later -

    T




  5. #20
    Karl E. Peterson Guest

    Re: Delphi 6 Personal available for Download

    Hi Robert --

    > I don't think it would be a hard sell at all. Most Delphi developers I know
    > are multilingual. That is one of the reasons Delphi developers are so loyal.
    > They tend to know other languages but are very comfortable with Object
    > Pascal because it is so versatile.


    That's really interesting. It doesn't seem to meet any of the standard objections
    raised over considering VB, when I've been over visiting the Delphites. No exposed
    entry points, for example. No standalone executables. Yadda yadda yadda. Guess
    they were all just blowing smoke all along?

    Later... Karl
    --
    http://www.mvps.org/vb



  6. #21
    Zane Thomas Guest

    Re: Delphi 6 Personal available for Download

    Thomas,

    >Of course, you can probably expect to get filtered if you go in there with a

    ^^^^^^^^
    You misspelled "censored" - hope this helps.

    >lot of swearing and personal attacks.


    And what makes you think I'd do that? Your implication is every bit as
    much of a "personal attack" as anything I ever posted on borland groups in
    the past. In fact, it's that sort of holier-than-thou attitude by a
    certain LoriTheCancelBot which caused the trouble over there in the first
    place. When you turn petty-authoritarians loose to censor others you
    really should expect a certain amount of outrage to follow.

    You will note that here we very rarely cancel posts and never
    "filter"<cough> particular posters. Even when they are blatantly off
    topic marketting blather and tech-support of the sort which would likely
    garner howls of outrage on the borland ngs if I as doing that for vb.net
    products there.

    And again, "swearing and personal attacks"? You're obviously only here to
    post Yay-Delphi posts and haven't bothered reading the other things which
    go on. The content of my posts is *overwhelmingly* not in that category,
    and some people even find some of them information - or so I've heard.

    However, if you it's "swearing and personal attacks" which attract your
    attention you probably know how to find the offramp where you can feel
    free to be sworn and and personally attack to your heart's content.


    --
    The nice thing about standards is that
    there are so many of them to choose from.

  7. #22
    Zane Thomas Guest

    Re: Delphi 6 Personal available for Download

    On Thu, 02 Aug 2001 17:36:07 GMT, zane@mabry.com (Zane Thomas) wrote:

    >However, if you it's "swearing and personal attacks" which attract your
    >attention you probably know how to find the offramp where you can feel
    >free to be sworn and and personally attack to your heart's content.


    Geesh, too many things to do :-) rewrite:

    However, if it's "swearing and personal attacks" which attract your
    attention you probably know how to find the offramp where you can feel
    free to be sworn at and personally attacked to your heart's content.

    --
    The nice thing about standards is that
    there are so many of them to choose from.

  8. #23
    Joe \Nuke Me Xemu\ Foster Guest

    Re: Delphi 6 Personal available for Download

    "Thomas J. Theobald (Borland)" <ttheobald@@borland.com> wrote in message <news:3b698509$1@news.devx.com>...

    > > >However, go ahead. I've found the Delphi guys really tolerant and less
    > > >paranoid towards someone who uses something else than Delphi.

    > >
    > > That hasn't been my experience.

    >
    > Just from my own experience, I would bet it doesn't have anything to do with
    > your VB/MS affiliation, more with how you treat others in general. But do
    > feel free - the Delphi and other Borland groups can be found at
    > newsgroups.borland.com - we've got quite a few folks who are pretty
    > interested in C#. Many of them have been knee-deep in the VS betas, as
    > well, so you might find them mutually informative.
    >
    > Of course, you can probably expect to get filtered if you go in there with a
    > lot of swearing and personal attacks.


    You mean like the "VB SUX DELPHI ROX" crap you Creutzfeldt-Delphi carriers
    so love to spout in other VB newsgroups? Of course you must resort to such
    nonsense, when Delphi's "elegance" turns out to be little more than fixing
    the mistake Microsoft made back in VB 3.0 by not making "Require Variable
    Declarations" the default! Are we really supposed to trade the minor pain
    of turning on a checkbox for statement-separator **** and the other nasty
    gotchas infesting this perversion of Niklaus Wirth's failed and disclaimed
    experiment?

    Get bent!


    The hijacking of Pascal:
    http://webtechniques.com/archives/1996/11/java/

    PASCAL SUX OBERON ROX:
    http://www.inf.ethz.ch/~wirth/projects.html

    --
    Joe Foster <mailto:jfoster@ricochet.net> Greed = God? <http://www.xenu.net/>
    WARNING: I cannot be held responsible for the above They're coming to
    because my cats have apparently learned to type. take me away, ha ha!



  9. #24
    Robert Kozak Guest

    Re: Delphi 6 Personal available for Download

    I owned VB 3 before I got into Delphi. Although I was a BASIC programmer at
    one time I didn't keep VB long after I found Delphi. I don't know why
    exactly but Delphi felt better. Maybe it was the Data aware controls, maybe
    it was the fact that it compiled exes, maybe it was the component library.
    Although many VB developers have switched to Delphi I don't count myself as
    one of them because I didn't really get into VB in a big way.

    C# is interesting to me because of some of the language constructs. I am
    still not a big fan of interpreted languages but the IL thing is
    interesting.

    Robert Kozak

    "Karl E. Peterson" <karl@mvps.org> wrote in message
    news:3b698dee$1@news.devx.com...
    > Hi Robert --
    >
    > > I don't think it would be a hard sell at all. Most Delphi developers I

    know
    > > are multilingual. That is one of the reasons Delphi developers are so

    loyal.
    > > They tend to know other languages but are very comfortable with Object
    > > Pascal because it is so versatile.

    >
    > That's really interesting. It doesn't seem to meet any of the standard

    objections
    > raised over considering VB, when I've been over visiting the Delphites.

    No exposed
    > entry points, for example. No standalone executables. Yadda yadda yadda.

    Guess
    > they were all just blowing smoke all along?
    >
    > Later... Karl
    > --
    > http://www.mvps.org/vb
    >
    >




  10. #25
    Robert Kozak Guest

    Re: Delphi 6 Personal available for Download


    "Zane Thomas" <zane@mabry.com> wrote in message
    news:3b708d7d.57236343@news.devx.com...

    > And again, "swearing and personal attacks"? You're obviously only here to
    > post Yay-Delphi posts and haven't bothered reading the other things which
    > go on. The content of my posts is *overwhelmingly* not in that category,
    > and some people even find some of them information - or so I've heard.


    I've read a number of your posts and most of the time they are informative
    but you know as well as I do (and many others here) that you can be a very
    obnoxious person. <g>

    I enjoy reading your posts when you are not in "attack mode" and I rarely
    enjoy them when you are. Though, there are times it is fun to watch you make
    an *** of yourself.

    Robert Kozak




  11. #26
    Zane Thomas Guest

    Re: Delphi 6 Personal available for Download

    On Thu, 2 Aug 2001 11:28:44 -0700, "Robert Kozak" <rkozak@borland.com>
    wrote:

    >C# is interesting to me because of some of the language constructs. I am
    >still not a big fan of interpreted languages but the IL thing is
    >interesting.


    You seem to think c# is interpreted.


    --
    The nice thing about standards is that
    there are so many of them to choose from.

  12. #27
    Robert Kozak Guest

    Re: Delphi 6 Personal available for Download

    No I don't. Although English is my native language I tend to practice it
    very badly. <g> It was a bad choice of words on my part.

    Robert Kozak

    "Zane Thomas" <zane@mabry.com> wrote in message
    news:3b73a0e7.62206406@news.devx.com...
    > On Thu, 2 Aug 2001 11:28:44 -0700, "Robert Kozak" <rkozak@borland.com>
    > wrote:
    >
    > >C# is interesting to me because of some of the language constructs. I am
    > >still not a big fan of interpreted languages but the IL thing is
    > >interesting.

    >
    > You seem to think c# is interpreted.
    >
    >
    > --
    > The nice thing about standards is that
    > there are so many of them to choose from.




  13. #28
    Zane Thomas Guest

    Re: Delphi 6 Personal available for Download

    On Thu, 2 Aug 2001 11:34:09 -0700, "Robert Kozak" <rkozak@borland.com>
    wrote:

    >Though, there are times it is fun to watch you make
    >an *** of yourself.


    Speaking of "personal insults" and obnoxious, pot kettle black d00d. Btw,
    that's exactly the sort of bullshit which went on over in the borland
    groups some few years ago. The delphi zealots were free to insult me and
    Karl in whatever way they liked, and if we responded we had to deal with
    LoriTheCancelBot.

    But don't worry, I have far better things to do than go to your newsgroups
    and engage in pointless exhanges with you and others there.


    --
    The nice thing about standards is that
    there are so many of them to choose from.

  14. #29
    Robert Kozak Guest

    Re: Delphi 6 Personal available for Download


    "Zane Thomas" <zane@mabry.com> wrote in message
    news:3b74a716.63789734@news.devx.com...
    > On Thu, 2 Aug 2001 11:34:09 -0700, "Robert Kozak" <rkozak@borland.com>
    > wrote:
    >
    > >Though, there are times it is fun to watch you make
    > >an *** of yourself.

    >
    > Speaking of "personal insults" and obnoxious, pot kettle black d00d.


    Point taken. I'll be the black pot on this. My post was tongue in cheek btw.

    > Btw, that's exactly the sort of bullshit which went on over in the borland
    > groups some few years ago. The delphi zealots were free to insult me and
    > Karl in whatever way they liked, and if we responded we had to deal with
    > LoriTheCancelBot.


    I wasn't talking about the borland newsgroups (which are moderated by
    design) but I was referring to your posts here in this group. For the record
    I wasn't insulting you but I was commenting on behaviour. Like I said, your
    posts are quite informative until you decide to go into "attack mode".

    >
    > But don't worry, I have far better things to do than go to your newsgroups
    > and engage in pointless exhanges with you and others there.


    I didn't ask you to go anywhere. I am quite happy to discuss real topics
    here with you.

    Robert Kozak






  15. #30
    Thomas J. Theobald \(Borland\) Guest

    Re: Delphi 6 Personal available for Download

    > You mean like the "VB SUX DELPHI ROX" crap you Creutzfeldt-Delphi carriers
    > so love to spout in other VB newsgroups? Of course you must resort to such
    > nonsense, when Delphi's "elegance" turns out to be little more than fixing
    > the mistake Microsoft made back in VB 3.0 by not making "Require Variable
    > Declarations" the default! Are we really supposed to trade the minor pain
    > of turning on a checkbox for statement-separator **** and the other nasty
    > gotchas infesting this perversion of Niklaus Wirth's failed and disclaimed
    > experiment?
    >
    > Get bent!


    Can't recall ever having used the word "sux", much less in the format you
    refer to here. Personally, if I ever get to the point where I can't take
    the time to use the "c", "k", and "s" keys, I'd hope someone up the hall
    would come down and smack me with a shoe or something. I happen to think VB
    is a fine language - I just happen to think we offer a better alternative.
    I may very well be wrong. I don't think so, but I won't overlook the
    possibility.

    I was referring to a post a little while back that Zane made in response to
    my clarifying some issues about Kylix. I believe he called me a "f***ing
    jerk" simply for being present in this newsgroup. I suspect if that sort of
    thing goes on over at newsgroups.borland.com, most folks will simply put a
    filter on him in their readers.

    But hey - everyone's got their own style.

    Later -

    T


    >
    >
    > The hijacking of Pascal:
    > http://webtechniques.com/archives/1996/11/java/
    >
    > PASCAL SUX OBERON ROX:
    > http://www.inf.ethz.ch/~wirth/projects.html
    >
    > --
    > Joe Foster <mailto:jfoster@ricochet.net> Greed = God?

    <http://www.xenu.net/>
    > WARNING: I cannot be held responsible for the above They're

    coming to
    > because my cats have apparently learned to type. take me away,

    ha ha!
    >
    >




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