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  1. #106
    W.E.(Bill) Goodrich, PhD Guest

    Re: MS, AT&T, IBM

    In article <3c504230@10.1.10.29>,
    "james" <jamesw2@mesh.net> writes:

    > "Mike Mitchell" <kylix_is@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
    > news:3c4fce56.2688220@news.devx.com...


    > > On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:40:01 +1100, "Ray Collins"
    > > <Ray.CollinsNoSpam@Bigpond.com> wrote:


    > Mike,what signup reminders to Passport ? In WinXP ? I have been
    > using WinXP PRO

    ^^^
    And that is the relevant bit. The frequent and apparently inescapable
    signup reminders are certainly a function of XP Home. As are the
    frequent signup reminders for "automatic update".

    > for about a month now (along with Win98) and have yet to see a
    > signup reminder or anything at all related to Passport.


    > Maybe, that function got taken out of my copy by mistake 8-)


    Or maybe you unknowingly clicked on the bubble, thereby registering
    yourself for Passport. That has happened to several people I know
    (and many of them are VERY angry about it - there is no practical way
    to unsubscribe).

    --

    W.E. (Bill) Goodrich, PhD

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    * * *
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  2. #107
    Mike Mitchell Guest

    Re: MS, AT&T, IBM

    On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:45:39 -0700, "W.E.(Bill) Goodrich, PhD"
    <bgoodric@netzero.net> wrote:

    >.......- there is no practical way
    >to unsubscribe).


    Euthanasia would be one way...
    ....with the proggie running on XP, of course.

    Oh, darn it, it won't terminate me yet! Says I gotta signup to
    Passport first!

    MM

  3. #108
    Mike Mitchell Guest

    Re: MS, AT&T, IBM

    On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:57:19 -0000, "Ed Courtenay"
    <replace-this-with-my-first-name@edcourtenay.co.uk> wrote:

    >IMHO you should:
    >
    >1) Get a life
    >2) Get a life


    You forgot option 3):

    Buy another copy of Windows 98SE. Man, this software ROCKS!

    MM

  4. #109
    Kunle Odutola Guest

    Re: MS, AT&T, IBM


    "Mark Jerde" <mark.jerde@spicedhamverizon.net> wrote in message
    news:VA.00000068.04b6adc6@spicedhamverizon.net...

    > Win3.1 & Win95 are able to do internet, word processing & email.
    > If that's all someone needs, why should they be forced to buy XP
    > with its anti-competitive CD writer and photo software?


    I agree Mark, and if you don't need internet/email, why not try CP/M?

    Kunle



  5. #110
    Kunle Odutola Guest

    Re: MS, AT&T, IBM


    "Mark Jerde" <mark.jerde@spicedhamverizon.net> wrote in message
    news:VA.00000067.04aa3844@spicedhamverizon.net...

    > Kunle,
    >
    > > When the software your "home user" needs can run on more than one OS, a
    > > decision has to be made. Seems you are ducking the decision making and
    > > asking them to trust CompUSA instead.


    > The computers at CompUSA don't come with a choice. They come with a
    > preinstalled OS! If what CompUSA is selling meets your needs, hey, buy
    > it!


    There is a choice of different OSes. CompUSA does many falvours of Windows.

    > - The one for DOS games.
    > - The 80486/33 Win3.1 computer.


    486/33 for DOS games. Haven't moved on from DOOM to Quake the have you? ;-)

    > > Seems you are ducking the decision making and
    > > asking them to trust CompUSA instead.

    >
    > IMHO it is a matter of my recognizing the reality of the situation.


    If it ducks with a quack...

    > > NT? In 2002?

    >
    > Yes, I've seen otherwise rational companies go with NT4.0 because they
    > trust it...


    With Win2K available, it's not rationality. More like ignorance. And yes,
    I've worked with 10,000+ desktop clients whose IT group has that affliction.

    Kunle



  6. #111
    james Guest

    Re: MS, AT&T, IBM

    Bill, if you look in the Windows XP newsgroups there are daily posts on how
    to get rid of the "reminders". I am sure the average consumer won't think
    to look in such a place as a newsgroup for information on how to turn off
    the Automatic Update Reminder etc. but, that information is out there and
    isn't all that hard to find.
    And yes, it is possible that WinXP PRO doesn't contain the reminder bits
    like Home does. But, I don't just randomly click on anything until I know
    what it is for.
    james
    "W.E.(Bill) Goodrich, PhD" <bgoodric@netzero.net> wrote in message
    news:3C505653.74672726@netzero.net...
    > In article <3c504230@10.1.10.29>,
    > "james" <jamesw2@mesh.net> writes:
    >
    > > "Mike Mitchell" <kylix_is@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
    > > news:3c4fce56.2688220@news.devx.com...

    >
    > > > On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:40:01 +1100, "Ray Collins"
    > > > <Ray.CollinsNoSpam@Bigpond.com> wrote:

    >
    > > Mike,what signup reminders to Passport ? In WinXP ? I have been
    > > using WinXP PRO

    > ^^^
    > And that is the relevant bit. The frequent and apparently inescapable
    > signup reminders are certainly a function of XP Home. As are the
    > frequent signup reminders for "automatic update".
    >
    > > for about a month now (along with Win98) and have yet to see a
    > > signup reminder or anything at all related to Passport.

    >
    > > Maybe, that function got taken out of my copy by mistake 8-)

    >
    > Or maybe you unknowingly clicked on the bubble, thereby registering
    > yourself for Passport. That has happened to several people I know
    > (and many of them are VERY angry about it - there is no practical way
    > to unsubscribe).
    >
    > --
    >
    > W.E. (Bill) Goodrich, PhD
    >
    > *-----------------------*--------------------------------------------*
    > * CHANGE YOUR SEXUALITY * http://www.nyx.net/~bgoodric/ctg.html *
    > * * *
    > * Without Aversive * ctgcentral@earthlink.net *
    > * Behavior Modification * Creative Technology Group *
    > * or Drugs * PO Box 286 *
    > * * Englewood, CO 80151-0286 *
    > *-----------------------*--------------------------------------------*




  7. #112
    Mike Mitchell Guest

    Re: MS, AT&T, IBM

    On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:15:04 -0000, "Kunle Odutola"
    <kunle.odutola@<REMOVETHIS>okocha.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

    >
    >"Mark Jerde" <mark.jerde@spicedhamverizon.net> wrote in message
    >news:VA.00000068.04b6adc6@spicedhamverizon.net...
    >
    >> Win3.1 & Win95 are able to do internet, word processing & email.
    >> If that's all someone needs, why should they be forced to buy XP
    >> with its anti-competitive CD writer and photo software?

    >
    >I agree Mark, and if you don't need internet/email, why not try CP/M?


    This is just as daft as Mister Ed saying I might as well buy a Model
    T! The jump is amazing! Straight from, say, Windows 98SE to a Model T,
    or, as in this case from our mutual friend, Kunle, straight from
    Windows 3.1 or 95 to CP/M. I mean, I realise you guys want to respond,
    but surely you can think up better ripostes than these! Why stop at a
    Model T, for example, Ed? Why not go right back and have me buy an
    eighteenth-century hansom cab? No, don't tarry there awhile; I could
    probably find a Roman chariot somewhere still with traces of
    Boadicea's blood on the wheel knives if I looked hard enough.

    So what do you suggest if your child doesn't like the brand-new whizzo
    peanut butter and wants only Sun-Pat (sorry, Pat, yeah, I know, it's
    nutty)? You gonna say, pah, the kid needs to go out an' hunt!

    MM

  8. #113
    Mike Mitchell Guest

    Re: MS, AT&T, IBM

    On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:23:49 -0000, "Kunle Odutola"
    <kunle.odutola@<REMOVETHIS>okocha.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

    >With Win2K available, it's not rationality. More like ignorance. And yes,
    >I've worked with 10,000+ desktop clients whose IT group has that affliction.


    The only ignorance here is your inability to allow people to CHOOSE
    what they want and not call 'em names for it. Windows 2000 will NOT
    install on just any PC, so if a company has, maybe, several hundred or
    a thousand or two PCs running NT perfectly fine, with the latest
    service pack, what on earth would be in it for them to get Win2K? You
    seem very keen to spend other people's money for them!

    MM

  9. #114
    Kunle Odutola Guest

    Re: MS, AT&T, IBM


    "Mike Mitchell" <kylix_is@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
    news:3c51b292.1090871@news.devx.com...
    > On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:23:49 -0000, "Kunle Odutola"
    > <kunle.odutola@<REMOVETHIS>okocha.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
    >
    > >With Win2K available, it's not rationality. More like ignorance. And yes,
    > >I've worked with 10,000+ desktop clients whose IT group has that

    affliction.
    >
    > The only ignorance here is your inability to allow people to CHOOSE
    > what they want and not call 'em names for it. Windows 2000 will NOT
    > install on just any PC, so if a company has, maybe, several hundred or
    > a thousand or two PCs running NT perfectly fine, with the latest
    > service pack, what on earth would be in it for them to get Win2K? You
    > seem very keen to spend other people's money for them!


    In the scenario Mark described, NT was chosen because it was [supposedly]
    trusted while Win2K and/or XP were not trusted [implicit in Mark's message].
    Nothing to do with hardware incompatibilities - which is a red herring in
    any case.

    Win2K/XP are both more reliable and secure than NT. They are better NTs
    basically. Well XP with that activation crap isn't....

    Kunle



  10. #115
    Ed Courtenay Guest

    Re: MS, AT&T, IBM


    "Mike Mitchell" <kylix_is@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
    news:3c51afae.351076@news.devx.com...
    >
    > This is just as daft as Mister Ed saying I might as well buy a Model
    > T! The jump is amazing! Straight from, say, Windows 98SE to a Model T,
    > or, as in this case from our mutual friend, Kunle, straight from
    > Windows 3.1 or 95 to CP/M. I mean, I realise you guys want to respond,
    > but surely you can think up better ripostes than these! Why stop at a
    > Model T, for example, Ed? Why not go right back and have me buy an
    > eighteenth-century hansom cab? No, don't tarry there awhile; I could
    > probably find a Roman chariot somewhere still with traces of
    > Boadicea's blood on the wheel knives if I looked hard enough.
    >


    Mike,

    As king of the usless analogy in this newsgroup, I thought you'd have more
    sense than start usless threads about how the analogy doesn't really work.
    It's an analogy. I was trying to make a point in language that you
    understand (or at least pretend to), and on the face of it, it wasn't that
    bad. But here you go being a pedant, yet again.

    The point was you were deliberately going out of your way to buy old
    technology as new. So yes, the Model T analogy holds. If you want to go back
    as far as CP/M then I suppose Bodecia's chariot would also be a good
    comparison. <g>




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