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  1. #151
    Kunle Odutola Guest

    Re: Addition to the VB Community


    "Thomas Eyde" <thomas.eyde@online.no> wrote in message
    news:3c51b503$3@10.1.10.29...
    > What's the benefit of porting UI and not the rest?
    > How's the COM Interop my friend when maintaing/extending my VB6 dlls?


    In phase uno - phase 1 - of a staged migration.

    > I may have read this post completely wrong, but I don't see the benefit of
    > this splitting in two different environments. It certainly can't benefit
    > deployment?


    Rome was not built in a day...

    Kunle



  2. #152
    Mike Mitchell Guest

    Re: Addition to the VB Community

    On Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:59:28 -0600, "Jay Glynn" <jlsglynn@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    >........ Some of us are professionals here Mike, and I
    >for one am insulted that you would hint that this would happen.


    Aw, gee, sorreee!

    Seriously, are you telling me that this is NOT going to happen? That a
    software house decides (i.e. the CEO decides) to go .NET and "migrate"
    all its clients thereto? That is, all its clients it can persuade to
    be transitioned. You can speak for all vendors and thus avoid imagined
    insults? It was not an insult anyway; you construed it as such. There
    we have Microsoft, which is demonstrably calling a halt to classic VB
    by replacing it with VB.NET, thus making lots of rewrites inevitable,
    but you're saying we can still trust all the *other* vendors for as
    long as we want to NOT leave us at the side of the road with the spare
    wheel and the jack?

    MM

  3. #153
    Mike Mitchell Guest

    Re: Addition to the VB Community

    On 25 Jan 2002 12:38:02 -0800, "Rob Teixeira" <RobTeixeira@@msn.com>
    wrote:

    >Nope, I *did* think about you said, and that's the carefully thought-out
    >response your post deserved. Would you like me to say it again?


    If you want to to be rude again, go ahead, knock yourself out!

    MM

  4. #154
    Mike Mitchell Guest

    Re: Addition to the VB Community

    On 25 Jan 2002 12:34:58 -0800, "Rob Teixeira" <RobTeixeira@@msn.com>
    wrote:

    >OK, bye-bye! Have fun!


    Ooh, your insouciance is showing again!

    MM

  5. #155
    Thomas Eyde Guest

    Re: Addition to the VB Community

    That's true, but the Romans didn't have to rebuild existing areas when
    expanding...
    /Thomas

    "Kunle Odutola okocha.freeserve.co.uk>" <kunle.odutola@<REMOVETHIS> wrote in
    message news:3c51ea57@10.1.10.29...
    > Rome was not built in a day...





  6. #156
    Mike Mitchell Guest

    Re: Addition to the VB Community

    On Fri, 25 Jan 2002 21:20:59 +0100, "Thomas Eyde"
    <thomas.eyde@online.no> wrote:

    >If this is true (I buy it) why did MS invest in .NET at all? Seems like a
    >recepie for disaster to me, forcing "everyone" into something they don't
    >want.


    The Microsoft Marketing Machine (mmm!) is extremely good at persuading
    folks to buy their stuff. If slowly but surely the whole Windows world
    is moved to .NET, what choice will most Windows users eventually have?
    This is not something they plan for just 2002, I think, but probably
    for the next several years at least. I am convinced that BillG just
    takes it as read that everyone wants great software, and since his
    software is *the* greatest, ergo, they must want his, and that must
    mean anyone who wants any software anywhere. I mean, if you think your
    products are the greatest, why would you stop at some arbitrary point
    to not persuade folks any longer? So you don't stop until there is no
    one left to convince, because by then everyone is running great
    software on .NET.

    MM

  7. #157
    Thomas Eyde Guest

    Re: Addition to the VB Community

    You don't like Edit-Save-Continue or don't think the feature add any
    benefits? Or was it that I think favouring C# over B# is a smarter strategy?

    /Thomas



  8. #158
    Jay Glynn Guest

    Re: Addition to the VB Community


    > Aw, gee, sorreee!


    Apology accepted...

    >
    > Seriously, are you telling me that this is NOT going to happen? That a
    > software house decides (i.e. the CEO decides) to go .NET and "migrate"
    > all its clients thereto? That is, all its clients it can persuade to
    > be transitioned. You can speak for all vendors and thus avoid imagined
    > insults? It was not an insult anyway; you construed it as such. There
    > we have Microsoft, which is demonstrably calling a halt to classic VB
    > by replacing it with VB.NET, thus making lots of rewrites inevitable,
    > but you're saying we can still trust all the *other* vendors for as
    > long as we want to NOT leave us at the side of the road with the spare
    > wheel and the jack?


    Depending on what I'm paying for that software. We have contracts that run 5
    and 6 figures a year for software packages. I would expect these companies
    to do whatever we ask them to do (within reason), and for the most part they
    do. MSFT is not calling a halt to classic VB. Those compilers will still
    keep on working. I don't really think you will see everyone rewriting all of
    their apps any time real soon. This is the fallacy in your world. I have
    half a million lines of VB classic code. I have no plans on rewriting any of
    it for quite a while. I'm building new systems with .NET but why would I
    need to rewrite something if it is working. I'm going to be using VB6 for
    several years to come, and I think it's safe to say that that will be true
    for a lot of developers.



  9. #159
    Patrick Troughton Guest

    Re: Addition to the VB Community


    Not sure I understand your point, assuming you have one. .NET was only released
    last week.

    /Pat

    "Thomas Eyde" <thomas.eyde@online.no> wrote:
    >We wouldn't need as much of these things if this where done years ago?
    >
    >"Patrick Troughton" <Patrick@Troughton.com> wrote in message
    >news:3c4c63d7$1@147.208.176.211...
    >>
    >> Well, no. There are lots of areas that Microsoft may want feedback so

    they
    >> better serve us such as better documentation, training, MS Press

    >publications,
    >> service packs, etc. Not to mention, .NET version 2 and beyond. This is

    >just
    >> the beginning....

    >
    >
    >



  10. #160
    Patrick Troughton Guest

    Re: Addition to the VB Community


    Nor do you. HTH!

    /Pat

    "Thomas Eyde" <thomas.eyde@online.no> wrote:
    >That's true, but the Romans didn't have to rebuild existing areas when
    >expanding...
    >/Thomas
    >
    >"Kunle Odutola okocha.freeserve.co.uk>" <kunle.odutola@<REMOVETHIS> wrote

    in
    >message news:3c51ea57@10.1.10.29...
    >> Rome was not built in a day...

    >
    >
    >



  11. #161
    Thomas Eyde Guest

    Re: Addition to the VB Community

    We are obviously talking about two different things here. How am I supposed
    to do maintenance and bugfixes on Classic VB in .NET?

    /Thomas

    "Patrick Troughton" <Patrick@Troughton.com> wrote in message
    news:3c528d8b$1@10.1.10.29...
    >
    > Nor do you. HTH!
    >
    > /Pat
    >
    > "Thomas Eyde" <thomas.eyde@online.no> wrote:
    > >That's true, but the Romans didn't have to rebuild existing areas when
    > >expanding...
    > >/Thomas





  12. #162
    Thomas Eyde Guest

    Re: Addition to the VB Community

    I don't have the resources nor the propaganda machine to do that. To
    convince my customers to still think my software is great and keep them
    buying, I have to make what they want and need.

    We obviously need .NET compatible tools when Windows goes .NET all the way,
    but since when did we need a completely new language not very compatible
    with previous versions?

    /Thomas

    "Mike Mitchell" <kylix_is@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
    news:3c51f1cc.17279386@news.devx.com...
    > I mean, if you think your
    > products are the greatest, why would you stop at some arbitrary point
    > to not persuade folks any longer? So you don't stop until there is no
    > one left to convince, because by then everyone is running great
    > software on .NET.





  13. #163
    Thomas Eyde Guest

    Re: Addition to the VB Community

    Released, yes, but not planned, design or built.

    My point is I think the help they try to give now will be in vain. A poor
    product does not get better by giving more listening or help. It may be more
    used, but not better.

    /Thomas

    "Patrick Troughton" <Patrick@Troughton.com> wrote in message
    news:3c528c65$1@10.1.10.29...
    >
    > Not sure I understand your point, assuming you have one. .NET was only

    released
    > last week.
    >
    > /Pat





  14. #164
    Patrick Troughton Guest

    Re: Addition to the VB Community


    Same way you always have.

    /Pat

    "Thomas Eyde" <thomas.eyde@online.no> wrote:
    >We are obviously talking about two different things here. How am I supposed
    >to do maintenance and bugfixes on Classic VB in .NET?
    >
    >/Thomas
    >
    >"Patrick Troughton" <Patrick@Troughton.com> wrote in message
    >news:3c528d8b$1@10.1.10.29...
    >>
    >> Nor do you. HTH!
    >>
    >> /Pat



  15. #165
    Patrick Troughton Guest

    Re: Addition to the VB Community


    Shh, Michael. He's already made up his mind. Don't confuse him with the facts!

    /Pat

    "Michael \(michka\) Kaplan" <former_mvp@nospam.trigeminal.spamless.com> wrote:
    >You are not. Lucky for you that VB6 will still work on your dev machine?
    >
    >
    >--
    >MichKa
    >
    >Michael Kaplan
    >Trigeminal Software, Inc. -- http://www.trigeminal.com/
    >
    >International VB? -- http://www.i18nWithVB.com/
    >C++? MSLU -- http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/issues/01/10/



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