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  1. #1
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    edit and continue case and point

    The other day I needed to use regular expressions. I didn't entirely
    remember the regexp syntax nor the microsoft api. With just a few glances
    at the documentation (reality check: most documentation sucks, focing you to
    experiment even if you don't want to) for both I was able to whip together a
    test form that exercised all the api and regexp syntax and showed the
    results. This experimental learning cemented my knowledge and made it less
    likely that I would err in real usage and has given me a small and useful
    tool for future use. What has made it possible for me to distract myself
    from actual work and concentrate on this little tool for 15 minutes? VB6
    RAD, and specifically edit and continue. Nearly all the code was written
    and corrected at runtime in response to my increasing awareness of the
    runtime behavior of the regexp object. If you think I should have read
    documentation exhaustively, then spent hours in deep though, then made a
    UML design spec, then implemented the whole thing correctly the first time
    as if on punchcards thus maybe even bypassing the debugger entirely or a
    high level language, you have your head up your ***. You are a pedantic,
    dogmatic, insipid buffoon. This logic, pursued consistently would lead to
    abandonment of all productivity aides and result in perpetual planning
    interrupted by extensive methodological debate, which would in time
    overwhelm even the planning. vb.net makes it prohibitive to write such
    little tools. There is no edit and continue, stopping and restarting the
    debugger is significantly slower than vb6, recreating your state is a pain,
    and here's the icing, what will vb.net debugger let you do if there is an
    unhandled exception in the framework code:

    a) correct your code and continue (VB6)
    b) step over or out of your bad code (VB6 if you can't edit the file)
    c) step over or out of framework code in disassembly window (C++)
    d) kill your debugging session and start from scratch

    Take a wild guess. With these obstacles there will be less experimetation a
    nd learning of the new framework and more bugs.



  2. #2
    Kunle Odutola Guest

    Re: edit and continue case and point

    <*yawn response-to-troll=doNothing()*>



  3. #3
    Mike Mitchell Guest

    Re: edit and continue case and point

    On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 17:25:43 -0000, "Kunle Odutola"
    <kunle.odutola@<REMOVETHIS>okocha.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

    ><*yawn response-to-troll=doNothing()*>


    No, that is not a response, nor it is a 'yawn'. Nor is it a troll.
    What (s)he described was a perfectly reasonable point of view. But you
    don't do perfectly reasonable when it comes to VB6 versus VB.NET, eh?
    You haven't got any response you can think of without praising the
    effectiveness of VB6 and sticking it to VB.NET. So instead you think
    up a little fantasy and, lo, it shall be declared a troll!

    What a pathetic get-out-of-jail-free card you played there!

    MM

  4. #4
    Kunle Odutola Guest

    Re: edit and continue case and point


    "Mike Mitchell" <kylix_is@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
    news:3c49c24c.2164317@news.devx.com...
    > On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 17:25:43 -0000, "Kunle Odutola"
    > <kunle.odutola@<REMOVETHIS>okocha.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
    >
    > ><*yawn response-to-troll=doNothing()*>

    >
    > No, that is not a response, nor it is a 'yawn'. Nor is it a troll.
    > What (s)he described was a perfectly reasonable point of view. But you
    > don't do perfectly reasonable when it comes to VB6 versus VB.NET, eh?
    > You haven't got any response you can think of without praising the
    > effectiveness of VB6 and sticking it to VB.NET. So instead you think
    > up a little fantasy and, lo, it shall be declared a troll!


    You just reponsded to a post by me that covered E&C today. You do remember
    right?

    Kunle



  5. #5
    Phil Weber Guest

    Re: edit and continue case and point

    > What (s)he described was a perfectly reasonable point
    > of view.


    Mike: Then why is (s)he unwilling to sign his/her name to it?

    People who write things like, "You have your head up your ***. You are a
    pedantic,
    dogmatic, insipid buffoon" without identifying themselves are trolls, plain
    and simple.
    ---
    Phil Weber



  6. #6
    Mike Mitchell Guest

    Re: edit and continue case and point

    On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 20:50:23 -0800, "Phil Weber"
    <pweberonline@fawcette.com> wrote:

    >People who write things like, "You have your head up your ***. You are a
    >pedantic,
    >dogmatic, insipid buffoon" without identifying themselves are trolls, plain
    >and simple.


    Perhaps they don't want to suffer the schoolyard bullying that goes on
    here. Me? I can take anything a bunch of pedantic, dogmatic, insipid
    buffoons can throw at me. And then some!

    MM

    (Mind you, I'll stop short of saying they've all got their head up
    their asses. I know when not to go over the top...)

  7. #7
    Michael Culley Guest

    Re: edit and continue case and point

    Phil,

    Mr/Mrs Underscore is most definately a troll (maybe mike in a skirt -
    shudder, unwanted visual image). But '_' does have a valid point, edit and
    continue is a very big loss. But it is meant to be there is version 2 and
    there are many other gains to .net.

    --
    Michael Culley
    www.vbdotcom.com


    "Phil Weber" <pweberonline@fawcette.com> wrote in message
    news:3c4a3cf5$1@147.208.176.211...
    > > What (s)he described was a perfectly reasonable point
    > > of view.

    >
    > Mike: Then why is (s)he unwilling to sign his/her name to it?
    >
    > People who write things like, "You have your head up your ***. You are a
    > pedantic,
    > dogmatic, insipid buffoon" without identifying themselves are trolls,

    plain
    > and simple.
    > ---
    > Phil Weber
    >
    >




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