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  1. #1
    Seth Grossman [MSFT] Guest

    YAG's status report - Feb 21, 2002

    Status Report - February 21, 2002



    Hi folks,



    This week finds YAG in the land of creamy cheeses and bubbly wine, France.
    (Who, me? Envious? Nope, not envious, not at all.)



    Without further ado, here's what happened this week:



    1.. Launch festivities continue..some of the Visual Basic team is planning
    to attend the launch event at the Washington State Convention Center on
    March 1st
    (http://msevents.microsoft.com/events...D105217775.asp). If
    you are curious about launch events in your area, check out
    http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/launch/ .


    2.. Lately, there has been a great deal of interest at Microsoft within
    Developer Tools regarding chats (see below for a schedule). After
    participating in a Windows Forms-focused chat last week, Jeff Danner and I
    will be briefing some of the writers and other folks here about what it was
    like and what to expect.


    3.. Be on the lookout for another Newsgroup Blast - most likely next week.


    Other things going on: Nothing much to report, other than the new
    whitepapers that have been posted (see below for details).



    (Ah yes, I have a dentist appointment tomorrow that I am dreading.)



    Take it easy - see you guys next week!



    -Seth





    Upcoming chats (http://msdn.microsoft.com/chats):

    Programmatically creating web server control templates - POSTPONED. WATCH
    THIS SPACE FOR A NEW DATE/TIME

    This is a follow on to the white paper located at
    http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/de...us/dv_vbvcstec
    hart/html/vbtchCreatingWebServerControlTemplatesProgrammatically.asp and
    will focus on your questions about creating web server control templates.



    Becoming a Help Power User
    Tuesday, March 12, 2002, 2:00 - 3:00 P.M. Pacific Time (22:00 - 23:00 GMT)

    There is a lot of great material in the Visual Studio help file. This
    session will cover various tips and tricks for getting the most out of it
    and will collect your feedback on the help system.



    DataGrid Web Server Control
    Tuesday, March 19, 2002, 1:00 - 2:00 P.M. Pacific Time (22:00 - 23:00 GMT)

    This chat is a follow up to the white paper located at
    http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/de...us/dv_vbvcstec
    hart/html/vbtchTopQuestionsAboutASPNETDataGridServerControl.aspand will
    focus on your questions about the DataGrid Web Server Control.



    Working with Single File Web Form Pages
    Tuesday, March 26, 2002, 1:00 - 2:00 P.M. Pacific Time (22:00 - 23:00 GMT)

    This chat is a follow up to the white paper located at
    http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/de...us/dv_vstechar
    t/html/vstchWorkingWithSingle-FileWebFormsPagesInVisualStudio.asp and will
    answer questions about how to work with single-file pages in Visual Studio,
    and how to convert single-file Web Forms pages to code-behind Web Forms
    pages.



    Visual Studio .NET Enterprise Architect Tools
    Tuesday, April 2, 2002, 2:00 - 3:00 P.M. Pacific time (22:00 - 23:00 GMT)

    Successfully building complex enterprise applications requires a solid
    architecture and a common understanding of requirements across the
    development team. The role of an architect is typically to help their
    organizations build applications that scale, integrate with existing
    systems, fulfill business requirements, and be maintainable over multiple
    versions of the product. In this session, Keith Short, Software Architect
    for enterprise features within Visual Studio will answer your questions
    about the tools Visual Studio .NET Enterprise Architect provides for
    architects to build enterprise applications in a systematic, repeatable and
    predictable manner.





    White Papers released this week - available from
    http://msdn.microsoft.com/net/guide/:



    The following whitepapers have been completed and will be appearing soon on
    MSDN (see next week's White Papers section):

    a.. Debugging Windows Forms Controls Created with Visual Basic .NET or
    Visual C# .NET
    b.. Navigating Multiple Related Tables in an ADO.NET Dataset
    c.. Overriding Event Handlers with Visual Basic .NET


    Property Bag Changes in Visual Basic .NET -
    http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/de...us/dv_vstechar
    t/html/vbtchPropertyBagChangesInVisualBasicNET.asp?frame=true

    In Visual Basic® 6.0, the PropertyBag object was used to persist an object's
    data between instances. This paper demonstrates how to duplicate the
    functionality of a Visual Basic 6.0 property bag in Visual Basic .NET using
    serialization.



    Using COM+ Services in .NET -
    http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/de...us/dndotnet/ht
    ml/comservnet.asp

    Add new Microsoft .NET components to existing COM and COM+ applications and
    they will be able to work together; this will help you if you need to
    develop a .NET application that can do things like participate in
    transactions, take advantage of role-based security, or interact with a
    queue.



    Securing Web Services with ISA Server -
    http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/de...us/Dnwssecur/h
    tml/isawebserv.asp

    Create a Web Service whose security is handled by Microsoft ISA Server: look
    at the Web Service and what it allows callers to do, create a client
    application that will call Web Methods, and create an ISA Server extension
    to secure the Web Service.



    Web Projects and Source Control Integration in Visual Studio .NET -
    http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/de...us/dv_vstechar
    t/html/vetchWebProjectsSourceControlIntegrationInVisualStudioNET.asp

    This article proposes strategies for developing source-controlled Web
    projects in Visual Studio .NET.



    Building an N-Tier Application in .NET -
    http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/de...us/dndotnet/ht
    ml/buildntierapp.asp

    After reviewing the types of n-tier applications, you'll learn how to create
    a typed dataset that can return data from a Web service and consume a Web
    service from a Windows application.



    Automation and Extensibility Overview -
    http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/de...us/dv_vstechar
    t/html/vsoriAutomationExtensibilityOverview.asp?frame=true

    This paper introduces the Microsoft® Visual Studio® .NET Automation model
    and shows you how you can use it to build tools to enhance your development
    experience.



    Restricting Developers to Custom Project or Item Types with Enterprise
    Templates -
    http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/de...us/dv_vstechar
    t/html/vstchRestrictingDevelopersToCustomProjectOrItemTypesWithEnterpriseTem
    plates.asp?frame=true

    Enterprise Templates and policy make it easy to filter the Add New Item
    dialog box for a particular project. However, if a custom project item is
    similar to a standard project item, it might be hard to allow only the
    custom item to be used without generating inappropriate policy reminders.
    This paper describes how to avoid this problem by modifying the definition
    of the standard project item to separate the portion that contains the
    prototype from the portion that handles identification. Readers should be
    familiar with Visual Studio .NET and Enterprise Templates.



    Automating Builds and Configurations in Visual Studio .NET -
    http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/de...us/dv_vstechar
    t/html/vsconAutomatingSolutionProjectBuildsBuildConfigurations.asp?frame=tru
    e

    This article provides information about how to use the Microsoft® Visual
    Studio® .NET Automation model to automate solution and project builds and
    build configurations.



    Adding Custom Folders for Enterprise Template Projects to Visual Studio .NET
    Dialog Boxes -
    http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/de...us/dv_vstechar
    t/html/vstchAddingCustomFoldersForEnterpriseTemplateProjectsToVisualStudioNE
    TDialogBoxes.asp?frame=true

    Describes how to create top-level folders in various Visual Studio .NET
    dialog boxes for easy access to Enterprise Template projects. Readers should
    be familiar with Visual Studio .NET and Enterprise Templates.



    Enterprise Development Technology Map -
    http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/de...us/Dndotnet/ht
    ml/Techmap_enterprise1.asp?frame=true

    The Enterprise Development Technology Map is your guide to getting started
    with the Microsoft® .NET platform for enterprise development. The .NET
    platform is a significant step forward for distributed enterprise
    applications, because it addresses the core problems, including
    communication and interoperability issues, that until now have made it
    difficult to distribute applications in heterogeneous computing
    environments.





  2. #2
    Mike Mitchell Guest

    Re: YAG's status report - Feb 21, 2002

    On Thu, 21 Feb 2002 17:06:36 -0800, "Seth Grossman [MSFT]"
    <sethgros@online.microsoft.com> wrote:

    >Status Report - February 21, 2002


    Phil, shouldn't this guy post this blatant free advertising in
    Anouncements or somewhere else? We're always being cajoled on to the
    off.ramp when we sidestep the actual vb.dotnet.discussion points, so
    how come Microsoft gets free rein? I don't mind a paragraph or two,
    but it's turning into a litany! All we need next is the organ music,
    the searchlights and the foot-stamping...

    MM

  3. #3
    Patrick Steele [MVP] Guest

    Re: YAG's status report - Feb 21, 2002

    In article <3c7aa772.4907561@news.devx.com> (from Mike Mitchell
    <kylix_is@yahoo.co.uk>),
    > I don't mind a paragraph or two,
    > but it's turning into a litany!


    Pot... kettle... black...

    --
    Patrick Steele
    Microsoft .NET MVP

  4. #4
    Mike Mitchell Guest

    Re: YAG's status report - Feb 21, 2002

    On Mon, 25 Feb 2002 16:41:35 -0500, Patrick Steele [MVP]
    <patrick@mvps.org> wrote:

    >In article <3c7aa772.4907561@news.devx.com> (from Mike Mitchell
    ><kylix_is@yahoo.co.uk>),
    >> I don't mind a paragraph or two,
    >> but it's turning into a litany!

    >
    >Pot... kettle... black...


    Fine. Let me know when I've got $35 bn cash in the bank and I'll stop
    my blatant free advertising, okay?

    MM

  5. #5
    Phil Weber Guest

    Re: YAG's status report - Feb 21, 2002

    > We're always being cajoled on to the off.ramp when we
    > sidestep the actual vb.dotnet.discussion points, so how
    > come Microsoft gets free rein?


    Mike: Do you think Microsoft's posts are off-topic for this group?
    ---
    Phil Weber



  6. #6
    Mike Mitchell Guest

    Re: YAG's status report - Feb 21, 2002

    On Mon, 25 Feb 2002 18:20:33 -0800, "Phil Weber"
    <pweber@nospam.fawcette.com> wrote:

    >Mike: Do you think Microsoft's posts are off-topic for this group?


    There are posts and there are discussions. I have seen exactly the
    same post in microsoft.public.dotnet.languages.vb. Do we really need
    to learn here of "Launch festivities"? Or that Seth has a dentist's
    appointment? How does "Securing Web Services with ISA Server" help
    much in a vb.dotnet.discussion group? These are all generalised topics
    which are part of the entire .Net initiative. Therefore, I see it as
    blatant free advertising.

    MM

  7. #7
    Patrick Steele [MVP] Guest

    Re: YAG's status report - Feb 21, 2002

    In article <3c7b75a8.5354524@news.devx.com> (from Mike Mitchell
    <kylix_is@yahoo.co.uk>),
    > Do we really need
    > to learn here of "Launch festivities"? Or that Seth has a dentist's
    > appointment? How does "Securing Web Services with ISA Server" help
    > much in a vb.dotnet.discussion group?


    So we need to here about your 7-year old TV? Or your 3/4/5 (whatever it
    was) year old car?

    You really don't see the irony of your complaints, do you?

    --
    Patrick Steele
    Microsoft .NET MVP

  8. #8
    Zane Thomas [.NET MVP] Guest

    Re: YAG's status report - Feb 21, 2002

    On Tue, 26 Feb 2002 12:02:37 GMT, kylix_is@yahoo.co.uk (Mike Mitchell)
    wrote:

    >There are posts and there are discussions.


    I'm glad you appreciate the difference, and looking forward to the day you
    engage in the latter of the two.


    --
    When freedom is outlawed
    only outlaws will be free.

  9. #9
    Rob Teixeira Guest

    Re: YAG's status report - Feb 21, 2002



    Just because those posts aren't a rant-fest like yours doesn't mean they
    aren't appropriate. Instead, those actually deal with the topic at hand,
    providing real information, unlike your posts. So, if MS gets banned, guess
    who's next on the ban petition list.

    -Rob

    kylix_is@yahoo.co.uk (Mike Mitchell) wrote:
    >On Mon, 25 Feb 2002 18:20:33 -0800, "Phil Weber"
    ><pweber@nospam.fawcette.com> wrote:
    >
    >>Mike: Do you think Microsoft's posts are off-topic for this group?

    >
    >There are posts and there are discussions. I have seen exactly the
    >same post in microsoft.public.dotnet.languages.vb. Do we really need
    >to learn here of "Launch festivities"? Or that Seth has a dentist's
    >appointment? How does "Securing Web Services with ISA Server" help
    >much in a vb.dotnet.discussion group? These are all generalised topics
    >which are part of the entire .Net initiative. Therefore, I see it as
    >blatant free advertising.
    >
    >MM



  10. #10
    Jonathan West Guest

    Re: YAG's status report - Feb 21, 2002


    "Phil Weber" <pweber@nospam.fawcette.com> wrote in message
    news:3c7aed98$1@10.1.10.29...
    > > We're always being cajoled on to the off.ramp when we
    > > sidestep the actual vb.dotnet.discussion points, so how
    > > come Microsoft gets free rein?

    >
    > Mike: Do you think Microsoft's posts are off-topic for this group?


    I think that Mike does have a point. It seems to me that the post is
    off-topic here for two reasons.

    1. It is an announcement and not any attempt to engage in a discussion
    within this group.

    2. The information in it is not specific to VB.NET. For instance, many of
    the chats announced are not about VB.NET.

    I would have no problem with the updates being posted to
    dotnet.announcements. Maybe vb.announcements and xml.announcements as well,
    since there is some info on both of those in the announcements.

    Microsoft has a code of conduct for participating in its own groups. I don't
    think it unreasonable to expect them to extend the same courtesy in their
    posts here. And clearly these announcements *do* breach the guidelines
    described at http://news.devx.com/newspolicy.asp. This is the relevant part

    "Non-technical posts (such as marketing messages, user group announcements,
    help wanted ads) should be limited to the *.announcements newsgroups."

    --
    Regards
    Jonathan West



  11. #11
    Mike Mitchell Guest

    Re: YAG's status report - Feb 21, 2002

    On Tue, 26 Feb 2002 09:33:52 -0500, Patrick Steele [MVP]
    <patrick@mvps.org> wrote:

    >So we need to here about your 7-year old TV? Or your 3/4/5 (whatever it
    >was) year old car?


    But I am not trying to sell you something!

    (By the way, the TV* is now eight years old.)

    MM
    * Sony

  12. #12
    Seth Grossman [MSFT] Guest

    Re: YAG's status report - Feb 21, 2002

    Hello-

    I have read this thread with great interest - certainly, YAG and I never
    intended to upset anyone or cause any controversy. Mea culpa; we apologize
    for not being more familiar with the guidelines mentioned in the previous
    post.

    To that end, YAG and I have been discussing the situation. We will continue
    to use this newsgroup to get info from you folks on whitepaper requests and
    feature ideas - this sort of direct feedback from users is what will
    ultimately make the product better. However, from now on, we will post the
    weekly status report to vb.announcements.

    Thanks for your understanding,
    Seth Grossman
    Microsoft Corp.
    This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

    "Jonathan West" <jwest@mvps.org> wrote in message
    news:3c7bd8fa@10.1.10.29...
    >
    > "Phil Weber" <pweber@nospam.fawcette.com> wrote in message
    > news:3c7aed98$1@10.1.10.29...
    > > > We're always being cajoled on to the off.ramp when we
    > > > sidestep the actual vb.dotnet.discussion points, so how
    > > > come Microsoft gets free rein?

    > >
    > > Mike: Do you think Microsoft's posts are off-topic for this group?

    >
    > I think that Mike does have a point. It seems to me that the post is
    > off-topic here for two reasons.
    >
    > 1. It is an announcement and not any attempt to engage in a discussion
    > within this group.
    >
    > 2. The information in it is not specific to VB.NET. For instance, many of
    > the chats announced are not about VB.NET.
    >
    > I would have no problem with the updates being posted to
    > dotnet.announcements. Maybe vb.announcements and xml.announcements as

    well,
    > since there is some info on both of those in the announcements.
    >
    > Microsoft has a code of conduct for participating in its own groups. I

    don't
    > think it unreasonable to expect them to extend the same courtesy in their
    > posts here. And clearly these announcements *do* breach the guidelines
    > described at http://news.devx.com/newspolicy.asp. This is the relevant

    part
    >
    > "Non-technical posts (such as marketing messages, user group

    announcements,
    > help wanted ads) should be limited to the *.announcements newsgroups."
    >
    > --
    > Regards
    > Jonathan West
    >
    >




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