From VB.net to C#

[Thomas Eyde]

Isn't C# the internal development language at Microsoft? I also think it's
used to develop .NET?

That would be 2 good reasons.

VB.NET is not similar to VB6. It's a completely new language. If you want to
use the new OO features, VB6 knowledge gain you nothing. If not, stick with
VB6.

/Thomas

"Michael Culley" <m_culley@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3ca9a2ad@10.1.10.29...
> I'm trying to get our shop to move from vb.net to C#. So far we don't have
> too much code so it should be easy. But I still have to convince those at
> the top. Can anyone give me some good ammo? They keep saying that if they
> are so similar why not just stick with VB.

[Jay Glynn]

The 2 main reasons we looked at are:

1. It is what Microsoft is using
2. ECMA standardization

The technical reasons all wash in the end so I wouldn't even bring it up.


>I'm trying to get our shop to move from vb.net to C#. So far we don't have
>too much code so it should be easy. But I still have to convince those at
>the top. Can anyone give me some good ammo? They keep saying that if they
>are so similar why not just stick with VB.

[Cali LaFollett]

> I'm trying to get our shop to move from vb.net to C#. So far we don't have
> too much code so it should be easy. But I still have to convince those at
> the top. Can anyone give me some good ammo? They keep saying that if they
> are so similar why not just stick with VB.

Michael,

Even though C# may be the language of choice by MS and standardized through
ECMA, I personally believe that coding VB.NET through the VS.NET IDE is much
more productive than coding in C#. Plus, even though the background
compilation of VB.NET for code checking can be a performance hog at the
moment, I like knowing immediately if I have a typo. Under C#, many of the
typos are not caught until compile time.

As Jay already mentioned, most of the technical reasons wash out in the end.
Unless you are doing a lot of unsafe pointer manipulation or operator
overloading, VB.NET and C# are pretty much equal.

Regards,

Cal

[Constance J. Petersen]

Hi Michael,

"Michael Culley" <m_culley@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3ca9a2ad@10.1.10.29...
> I'm trying to get our shop to move from vb.net to C#. So far we don't have
> too much code so it should be easy. But I still have to convince those at
> the top. Can anyone give me some good ammo? They keep saying that if they
> are so similar why not just stick with VB.

You owe it to yourself to read Dan Appleman's e-book: "Visual Basic .NET or C#,
Which to Choose?" You can download it as a PDF from Amazon.com for $9.95, and I
think you'll find it well worth reading (very quick to read, well organized
61-page book).

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005YX8N

It will give you lots of facts for arguing your case if you still feel the same
way after reading it. Or, after reading it, you might even change your mind.
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[Tom Bennet]

How about giving the guy some sample code instead of begging him to stick
with VB?

There is a lot of sample code out there for you to examine. You could simply
build two simple programs that display a form and show how similar the two
are. I have provided examples like this to developers here, so they can
see the differences between C#, VB.Net and Java. You may be surprised how
very similar they all are.

It's only my opinion, but I think you are wise for trying to convince your
shop to go the C# route. I read an article on tech republic that said that
Java programmers pay a lot more attention to coding standards and design
patterns. The C style languages seem to be wining the "lexical war". If
the goal of your organization is to attract and retain talent, then C# is
a good choice. You may be able to attract some of those "out of work Java
programmers" who need a bone thrown their way

Tell me specifically what you need and I'll see what I can dig up.

"Michael Culley" <m_culley@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I'm trying to get our shop to move from vb.net to C#. So far we don't have
>too much code so it should be easy. But I still have to convince those at
>the top. Can anyone give me some good ammo? They keep saying that if they
>are so similar why not just stick with VB.
>
>Thanks
>
>--
>Michael Culley
>www.vbdotcom.com
>
>
>
>

[Kevin]

I have not found any conclusive reason why a shop would pick one over the
other. I've heard the "MS uses C#" as a reason. MS uses C mostly, what else
would they Choose? Duh. The choice should be mostly based on preference or
staff experience.

I agree with a previous response that says to get Applemans eBook on the
subject.

"Michael Culley" <m_culley@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I'm trying to get our shop to move from vb.net to C#. So far we don't have
>too much code so it should be easy. But I still have to convince those at
>the top. Can anyone give me some good ammo? They keep saying that if they
>are so similar why not just stick with VB.
>
>Thanks
>
>--
>Michael Culley
>www.vbdotcom.com
>
>
>
>

[Mike Mitchell]

On Wed, 3 Apr 2002 22:41:07 +1000, "Michael Culley"
<m_culley@hotmail.com> wrote:

>I'm trying to get our shop to move from vb.net to C#. So far we don't have
>too much code so it should be easy. But I still have to convince those at
>the top. Can anyone give me some good ammo? They keep saying that if they
>are so similar why not just stick with VB.

Who told them at the top that they were similar?

MM

[Mike Mitchell]

On Tue, 2 Apr 2002 09:08:04 -0500, "Constance J. Petersen"
<constance@smartisans.com> wrote:

>You owe it to yourself to read Dan Appleman's e-book: "Visual Basic .NET or C#,
>Which to Choose?" You can download it as a PDF from Amazon.com for $9.95, and I
>think you'll find it well worth reading (very quick to read, well organized
>61-page book).

$9.95 for 61 pages! On that basis, standard-sized computer books of
the printed and bound variety would cost over a hundred bucks or more
a pop. $9.95 *AND* we have to download it *AND* print it! I do so hope
web services won't be this expensive!

MM

[Robert Lantry]

Aren't you supposed to be off wrapping your febrile brain around Delphi or
something?

--

-Robert

Have a cow, man:
http://www.riddleme.com/html/cow.html


"Mike Mitchell" <kylix_is@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3ca9fef7.11908288@news.devx.com...
> On Wed, 3 Apr 2002 22:41:07 +1000, "Michael Culley"
> <m_culley@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >I'm trying to get our shop to move from vb.net to C#. So far we don't
have
> >too much code so it should be easy. But I still have to convince those at
> >the top. Can anyone give me some good ammo? They keep saying that if they
> >are so similar why not just stick with VB.
>
> Who told them at the top that they were similar?
>
> MM

[Tim Overbay]

Mike,

When has anybody ever payed for a book per-page? Pull yer head out. Most
people by books for the quality of the content, not the quantity. Sheesh!

Tim

"Mike Mitchell" <kylix_is@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3ca9ff68.12020512@news.devx.com...
> On Tue, 2 Apr 2002 09:08:04 -0500, "Constance J. Petersen"
> <constance@smartisans.com> wrote:
>
> >You owe it to yourself to read Dan Appleman's e-book: "Visual Basic .NET
or C#,
> >Which to Choose?" You can download it as a PDF from Amazon.com for $9.95,
and I
> >think you'll find it well worth reading (very quick to read, well
organized
> >61-page book).
>
> $9.95 for 61 pages! On that basis, standard-sized computer books of
> the printed and bound variety would cost over a hundred bucks or more
> a pop. $9.95 *AND* we have to download it *AND* print it! I do so hope
> web services won't be this expensive!
>
> MM

[Constance J. Petersen]

"Mike Mitchell" <kylix_is@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3ca9ff68.12020512@news.devx.com...
> $9.95 for 61 pages! On that basis, standard-sized computer books of
> the printed and bound variety would cost over a hundred bucks or more
> a pop. $9.95 *AND* we have to download it *AND* print it! I do so hope
> web services won't be this expensive!

Sorry, can't quite hear you over the static from my twit filter.
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[Michael Culley]

This kind of attitude is why we all have to wade through pages of bloat that
authors have added to make their books look bigger on the shelf.

--
Michael Culley
www.vbdotcom.com



"Mike Mitchell" <kylix_is@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3ca9ff68.12020512@news.devx.com...
> On Tue, 2 Apr 2002 09:08:04 -0500, "Constance J. Petersen"
> <constance@smartisans.com> wrote:
>
> >You owe it to yourself to read Dan Appleman's e-book: "Visual Basic .NET
or C#,
> >Which to Choose?" You can download it as a PDF from Amazon.com for $9.95,
and I
> >think you'll find it well worth reading (very quick to read, well
organized
> >61-page book).
>
> $9.95 for 61 pages! On that basis, standard-sized computer books of
> the printed and bound variety would cost over a hundred bucks or more
> a pop. $9.95 *AND* we have to download it *AND* print it! I do so hope
> web services won't be this expensive!
>
> MM

[Michael Culley]

I guess we told them that, as an arguement of why it would be so easy to
change over.

--
Michael Culley
www.vbdotcom.com



"Mike Mitchell" <kylix_is@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3ca9fef7.11908288@news.devx.com...
> On Wed, 3 Apr 2002 22:41:07 +1000, "Michael Culley"
> <m_culley@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >I'm trying to get our shop to move from vb.net to C#. So far we don't
have
> >too much code so it should be easy. But I still have to convince those at
> >the top. Can anyone give me some good ammo? They keep saying that if they
> >are so similar why not just stick with VB.
>
> Who told them at the top that they were similar?
>
> MM

[Michael Culley]

> Have a cow, man:
> http://www.riddleme.com/html/cow.html

Just curious, why would a website have a html directory, isn't it all html?


--
Michael Culley
www.vbdotcom.com



"Robert Lantry" <mirth@mirthy.com> wrote in message
news:3caa0306$1@10.1.10.29...
> Aren't you supposed to be off wrapping your febrile brain around Delphi or
> something?
>
> --
>
> -Robert
>
> Have a cow, man:
> http://www.riddleme.com/html/cow.html
>
>
> "Mike Mitchell" <kylix_is@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:3ca9fef7.11908288@news.devx.com...
> > On Wed, 3 Apr 2002 22:41:07 +1000, "Michael Culley"
> > <m_culley@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >I'm trying to get our shop to move from vb.net to C#. So far we don't
> have
> > >too much code so it should be easy. But I still have to convince those
at
> > >the top. Can anyone give me some good ammo? They keep saying that if
they
> > >are so similar why not just stick with VB.
> >
> > Who told them at the top that they were similar?
> >
> > MM
>
>

[Mattias Sjögren]

>You owe it to yourself to read Dan Appleman's e-book: "Visual Basic .NET or C#,
>Which to Choose?" You can download it as a PDF from Amazon.com for $9.95, and I
>think you'll find it well worth reading (very quick to read, well organized
>61-page book).

Also surprisingly incomplete (for being an Appleman book). I was
pretty disappointed after reading it.


Mattias

===
Mattias Sjögren (VB MVP)
mattias @ mvps.org
http://www.msjogren.net/dotnet/