From VB.net to C#

[Mike Mitchell]

On Tue, 2 Apr 2002 16:04:48 -0500, "Constance J. Petersen"
<constance@smartisans.com> wrote:

>"Mike Mitchell" <kylix_is@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:3ca9ff68.12020512@news.devx.com...
>> $9.95 for 61 pages! On that basis, standard-sized computer books of
>> the printed and bound variety would cost over a hundred bucks or more
>> a pop. $9.95 *AND* we have to download it *AND* print it! I do so hope
>> web services won't be this expensive!
>
>Sorry, can't quite hear you over the static from my twit filter.

Then how did you manage to quote me word for word above?

MM

[Mike Mitchell]

On Tue, 2 Apr 2002 12:49:58 -0700, "Tim Overbay"
<luhar@neverendingsoftware.com> wrote:

>When has anybody ever payed for a book per-page? Pull yer head out. Most
>people by books for the quality of the content, not the quantity. Sheesh!

Okay, fair enough! It's *your* money. If you believe that downloading
a PDF file on your time and then printing it out on your printer and
paying $9.95 for the quality of the 61-page content, feel free!

MM

[Mike Mitchell]

On Wed, 3 Apr 2002 07:19:35 +1000, "Michael Culley"
<mike@vbdotcom.com> wrote:

>This kind of attitude is why we all have to wade through pages of bloat that
>authors have added to make their books look bigger on the shelf.

So why don't we all write to the publishers and demand that they
reduce the number of pages and increase the price? Yeah, sounds like a
good idea for a new fantasy film!

MM

[Mike Mitchell]

On Wed, 03 Apr 2002 07:01:43 GMT, mattias.dont.want.spam@mvps.org
(Mattias Sjögren) wrote:

>>You owe it to yourself to read Dan Appleman's e-book: "Visual Basic .NET or C#,
>>Which to Choose?" You can download it as a PDF from Amazon.com for $9.95, and I
>>think you'll find it well worth reading (very quick to read, well organized
>>61-page book).
>
>Also surprisingly incomplete (for being an Appleman book). I was
>pretty disappointed after reading it.

So you didn't feel you got value for money, then?

MM

[Jay Glynn]

But it's written by your hero Dan Appleman.
Surely that makes it worth the 9.95 .


> Okay, fair enough! It's *your* money. If you believe that downloading
> a PDF file on your time and then printing it out on your printer and
> paying $9.95 for the quality of the 61-page content, feel free!
>
> MM

[Michael Culley]

I'm trying to get our shop to move from vb.net to C#. So far we don't have
too much code so it should be easy. But I still have to convince those at
the top. Can anyone give me some good ammo? They keep saying that if they
are so similar why not just stick with VB.

Thanks

--
Michael Culley
www.vbdotcom.com

[Tim Overbay]

Money well-spent. Even bad books are worth the money if for no other reason
than it teaches you how *not* to do something or to avoid future books by
the same author.

Downloading a 61-page PDF file takes about 12 seconds with my internet
connection. I bill out at US$100/hr. That's works out to about US$0.33.

Why should I print it out if I can read it on the screen? 'Course, I can't
read it in my favorite reading spot--on my porcelain throne--but that's a
small sacrifice compared to wasting paper and expensive ink.

Tim

"Mike Mitchell" <kylix_is@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 2 Apr 2002 12:49:58 -0700, "Tim Overbay"
> <luhar@neverendingsoftware.com> wrote:
>
> >When has anybody ever payed for a book per-page? Pull yer head out. Most
> >people by books for the quality of the content, not the quantity. Sheesh!
>
> Okay, fair enough! It's *your* money. If you believe that downloading
> a PDF file on your time and then printing it out on your printer and
> paying $9.95 for the quality of the 61-page content, feel free!
>
> MM

[Constance J. Petersen]

"Mattias Sjögren" <mattias.dont.want.spam@mvps.org> wrote in message
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> Also surprisingly incomplete (for being an Appleman book). I was
> pretty disappointed after reading it.

Can you be more specific? What else should have been covered?

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[Patrick Meader]

Hi Mike:

>>So why don't we all write to the publishers and demand that they reduce
the number of pages and increase the price? <<

You probably have a better idea there than you think.

[Michael Culley]

Appendix B "Books and Products by Daniel Appleman" starts on page 51.
Appendix C "The story behind Apress" starts on page 60.
Actual content starts on page 6.
Plus it uses fairly large fonts and had alot of bloat code and practically
blank pages.
The end result is about 45 well spaced pages. I'd say it took him a few days
to write and netted him a small fortune.

--
Michael Culley
www.vbdotcom.com



"Constance J. Petersen" <constance@smartisans.com> wrote in message
news:3cab3ac4@10.1.10.29...
> "Mattias Sjögren" <mattias.dont.want.spam@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:3caaa85d.120732994@news.devx.com...
> > Also surprisingly incomplete (for being an Appleman book). I was
> > pretty disappointed after reading it.
>
> Can you be more specific? What else should have been covered?
>
> --
> Constance Petersen, DevX newsgroup section leader
> SoftMedia Artisans, Inc.
> http://www.smartisans.com
> For useful, usable software and Web sites
> Featured Web design: http://www.keweenawnow.com/
> --
> Please reply in the newsgroup so everyone can benefit
>
>
>

[Bob]

Mike,

You still haven't told us what you think is missing.

Bob

In article <3cab79b3@10.1.10.29>, mike@vbdotcom.com says...
> Appendix B "Books and Products by Daniel Appleman" starts on page 51.
> Appendix C "The story behind Apress" starts on page 60.
> Actual content starts on page 6.
> Plus it uses fairly large fonts and had alot of bloat code and practically
> blank pages.
> The end result is about 45 well spaced pages. I'd say it took him a few days
> to write and netted him a small fortune.
>
> --
> Michael Culley
> www.vbdotcom.com
>
>
>
> "Constance J. Petersen" <constance@smartisans.com> wrote in message
> news:3cab3ac4@10.1.10.29...
> > "Mattias Sjögren" <mattias.dont.want.spam@mvps.org> wrote in message
> > news:3caaa85d.120732994@news.devx.com...
> > > Also surprisingly incomplete (for being an Appleman book). I was
> > > pretty disappointed after reading it.
> >
> > Can you be more specific? What else should have been covered?
> >
> > --
> > Constance Petersen, DevX newsgroup section leader
> > SoftMedia Artisans, Inc.
> > http://www.smartisans.com
> > For useful, usable software and Web sites
> > Featured Web design: http://www.keweenawnow.com/
> > --
> > Please reply in the newsgroup so everyone can benefit
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

[Mike Mitchell]

On Wed, 3 Apr 2002 04:39:31 -0600, "Jay Glynn" <jlsglynn@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>But it's written by your hero Dan Appleman.
>Surely that makes it worth the 9.95 .

How come he produced "Visual Basic Programmer's Guide to the Win32
Api" with over 1,500 pages and hundreds of MB on the accompanying
CD-ROM all for the princely sum of $60? And no downloading!

MM

[Phil Weber]

> 'Course, I can't read it in my favorite reading spot --
> on my porcelain throne...

Tim: What, no laptop? ;-)
---
Phil Weber

[Mike Mitchell]

On Wed, 3 Apr 2002 10:07:41 -0800, "Patrick Meader"
<pmeader@fawcette.com> wrote:

>Hi Mike:
>
>>>So why don't we all write to the publishers and demand that they reduce
>the number of pages and increase the price? <<
>
>You probably have a better idea there than you think.

That wasn't a better idea, that was a bloody stupid idea. I only wrote
it to get the crassly obvious non-value for money of $9.95 for 61
pages that *I* have to download and print into some sense of
proportion for people! You must *know* why it was $9.95 and not, say,
$1.95! It's because .Net is ravishingly new and people are gasping for
information, any information! Ergo the price goes up! The law of
supply and demand. Still doesn't make it something I could ever
defend.

MM

[Mike Mitchell]

On Thu, 4 Apr 2002 08:08:34 +1000, "Michael Culley"
<mike@vbdotcom.com> wrote:

>The end result is about 45 well spaced pages. I'd say it took him a few days
>to write and netted him a small fortune.

'nuff said!

MM