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  1. #16
    Mike Mitchell Guest

    Re: Is NET replacing COM ?

    On 27 May 2002 04:14:45 -0800, "Aaron Sevivas"
    <aaronsevivas@hotmail.com> wrote:

    >..... (it has more features
    >so technically, its better)


    Alternatively, it has more features, therefore it's more convoluted,
    more complex, more bloated, more *everything" -- except better.

    MM

  2. #17
    John Butler Guest

    Re: Is NET replacing COM ?


    "Mike Mitchell" <kylix_is@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
    >Oh, and don't come and tell me "they're *all* doing it"
    > because they're not.


    OK..who isn't doing it? Please tell us?

    I guess your answer would be...Borlan...but then they seem to be trying to
    be all things to all people, in the hope that something sticks...and they're
    happily preparing to support the DotNet platform with Delphi....so choose
    another...

    rgds
    John Butler









  3. #18
    Mike Mitchell Guest

    Re: Is NET replacing COM ?

    On Mon, 27 May 2002 22:48:30 +0100, "John Butler"
    <nospamjrbutler@btinternet.com> wrote:

    >OK..who isn't doing it? Please tell us?
    >
    >I guess your answer would be...Borlan...but then they seem to be trying to
    >be all things to all people, in the hope that something sticks...and they're
    >happily preparing to support the DotNet platform with Delphi....so choose
    >another...


    No, no! Delphi is a fine example. And *very* backward compatible, nota
    bene. I wonder how they managed to support DotNet *and* still retain
    backward compatibility? Amazing, that. They can hook into DotNet, a
    "foreign" (to them) Microsoft technology, they can produce probably a
    *better* all-round offering for it, *and* they don't have to screw
    over their existing customer base! And when you condescendingly say
    "...they seem to be trying to be all things to all people, in the hope
    that something sticks..", I view their achievements as something to
    applaud, not something to cavil over.

    MM

  4. #19
    Zane Thomas Guest

    Re: Is NET replacing COM ?

    On 27 May 2002 16:40:36 -0800, "Tom Bennet" <fdfsd@fdfds.com> wrote:

    >No, somehow they will continue to manange and enhance the existing product
    >while at the same time expanding their horizons to meet the demands of a
    >new market.


    We can compare vb.net to delphi.net sales in a year and see who really has
    the better idea.


    --
    Turn on, tune in, download.
    zane@mvps.org

  5. #20
    Tom Bennet Guest

    Re: Is NET replacing COM ?


    "John Butler" <nospamjrbutler@btinternet.com> wrote:

    >I guess your answer would be...Borlan...but then they seem to be trying

    to
    >be all things to all people, in the hope that something sticks...and they're
    >happily preparing to support the DotNet platform with Delphi....so choose
    >another...


    However, they're not breaking classic Delphi in the process are they John?
    No, somehow they will continue to manange and enhance the existing product
    while at the same time expanding their horizons to meet the demands of a
    new market. Is that such a revolutionary concept?

    Tom

  6. #21
    John Butler Guest

    Re: Is NET replacing COM ?


    "Tom Bennet" <fdfsd@fdfds.com> wrote in message
    news:3cf2c3f4$1@10.1.10.29...
    > However, they're not breaking classic Delphi in the process are they John?
    > No, somehow they will continue to manange and enhance the existing

    product
    > while at the same time expanding their horizons to meet the demands of a
    > new market. Is that such a revolutionary concept?


    No it isn't. But in Delphi they have a product which is already OO from the
    ground up...not with it's limited oo-functionality tacked-on (like VB6's
    was). Presumably that might make it easier for them to do what they need to
    do map between their object library and the .NET framework.

    I don't like the compatibility issue between VB6 and VB.NET either, just for
    the record. But fortunately I am one of (quite a few, I suspect) who has
    chosen to/haven't had the need to port my entire codebase over. I've ported
    quite a lot actually...and it has become quicker as my knowledge of .Net has
    increased...but it would have been better not to have had to.

    However, I suspect work will continue on easing the transition to
    ..Net...maybe they'll even get the upgrade wizard working in the next
    version...and in the meantime...if you've spent any serious time in the new
    system..you'd realise how good it is..and how much potential it has to
    become even better. I'm no zealot, and I understand (as do, I think) many
    others in this forum, that people have problems with the language
    issue...but that shouldn't totally deterr you from looking into using what
    is a great tool and one which is (IMO) streaks ahead of "good ol" VB6.

    rgds
    John Butler






  7. #22
    james Guest

    Re: Is NET replacing COM ?

    HOW WOULD YOU KNOW ???
    james
    "Mike Mitchell" <kylix_is@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
    news:3cf28402.720700@news.devx.com...
    > On 27 May 2002 04:14:45 -0800, "Aaron Sevivas"
    > <aaronsevivas@hotmail.com> wrote:
    >
    > >..... (it has more features
    > >so technically, its better)

    >
    > Alternatively, it has more features, therefore it's more convoluted,
    > more complex, more bloated, more *everything" -- except better.
    >
    > MM




  8. #23
    Kunle Odutola Guest

    Re: Is NET replacing COM ?


    "Tom Bennet" <fdfsd@fdfds.com> wrote in message
    news:3cf2c3f4$1@10.1.10.29...
    >
    > "John Butler" <nospamjrbutler@btinternet.com> wrote:
    >
    > >I guess your answer would be...Borlan...but then they seem to be trying

    > to
    > >be all things to all people, in the hope that something sticks...and

    they're
    > >happily preparing to support the DotNet platform with Delphi....so choose
    > >another...

    >
    > However, they're not breaking classic Delphi in the process are they John?


    You're speculating right?. I'm yet to receive my copy of Delphi.NET.......

    > No, somehow they will continue to manange and enhance the existing

    product

    It helps if the exisiting product has feature parity with the new model --
    Delphi is a true OO product (****, it already has delegates) -- without the
    hacks that helpVB6 together.

    Kunle



  9. #24
    Patrick Troughton Guest

    Re: Is NET replacing COM ?


    kylix_is@yahoo.co.uk (Mike Mitchell) wrote:
    >On Mon, 27 May 2002 22:48:30 +0100, "John Butler"
    >
    >No, no! Delphi is a fine example. And *very* backward compatible, nota
    >bene. I wonder how they managed to support DotNet *and* still retain
    >backward compatibility?


    Are you sure? The last time I checked Delphi.NET hasn't been released.

    /Pat

  10. #25
    Aaron Sevivas Guest

    Re: Is NET replacing COM ?


    kylix_is@yahoo.co.uk (Mike Mitchell) wrote:
    >On 27 May 2002 02:29:50 -0800, "Aaron Sevivas"
    ><aaronsevivas@hotmail.com> wrote:
    >
    >>.....) They seem to change
    >>their mind every two years..)

    >
    >Don't you see that as a problem? I certainly do! What other industry
    >can you think of which changes so much with the wind like Microsoft
    >software?Oh, and don't come and tell me "they're *all* doing it"
    >because they're not. Microsoft is the worst at goalpost moving, by
    >far.
    >
    >MM


    Can u really compare the software industry with any other industry? If u
    think you can, heres a little taste of how wrong you MAY be..

    http://www.nr.no/~jason/Research/Pub...sis/Thesis.pdf

    Wouldn't it scare you more if a technology was barely moving with the times
    and stayed stagnant with only minor improvements? Do they have a greek oracle
    on the payroll who can predict future design problems?

    ~aaron

  11. #26
    Aaron Sevivas Guest

    Re: Is NET replacing COM ?


    "Tom Bennet" <fdjfks@fdsfds.com> wrote:

    >The deprication methods Sun uses are far better than throwing out the language
    >wouldn't you agree? You get full notice of when an API will be depricated
    >as the compiler warns you of it. If you don't upgrade at that point, then
    >you had fair warning.
    >
    >When Sun throws out Java and replaces it with a new computing platform,

    you
    >may have a point.


    Visual Basic 1976-2001 before the language was rewritten.. How long has Java
    been around? 6 years?.. U would have a point if java was around as long
    as vb, then the crust would be appearent.

    ~aaron

  12. #27
    Mike Mitchell Guest

    Re: Is NET replacing COM ?

    On 28 May 2002 00:51:39 -0800, "Aaron Sevivas"
    <aaronsevivas@hotmail.com> wrote:

    >Wouldn't it scare you more if a technology was barely moving with the times
    >and stayed stagnant with only minor improvements? Do they have a greek oracle
    >on the payroll who can predict future design problems?


    No. What scares me is this continual, head-banging, mind-numbing
    tendency for techies in the computer industry to seek out the latest
    and greatest when the existing technology is still warm in the Petri
    dish. Just look at how many of Microsoft's goalposts have been moved
    over the years! And yet, fundamentally, wheat gets sown, bread gets
    baked, people get fed, and babies get born. What is sooooo new new new
    in ordinary (i.e. non-computing) life that warrants such upheavals in
    our software?

    MM

  13. #28
    Mike Mitchell Guest

    Re: Is NET replacing COM ?

    On Mon, 27 May 2002 20:40:27 -0500, "james" <jamesw2@mesh.net> wrote:

    >HOW WOULD YOU KNOW ???


    Same way I know poison ivy is baaad! (Even without rolling in it
    personally.)

    MM

  14. #29
    Patrick Troughton Guest

    Re: Is NET replacing COM ?


    Except of course, the experts in the medical industry might agree with you
    that poison ivy is "bad" (your term, not theirs)...whereas the experts in
    the computer industry have been giving .NET glowing reviews. PC Magazine
    awarded .NET their 18th Annual Award for Technical Excellence to VS.NET....

    http://www.pcmag.com/article/0,2997,s=0&a=18054,00.asp

    Software Development Magazine awarded .NET not one, but two awards...

    http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/p...4-25JoltPR.asp

    and Information Week and SQL Server magazine also gave VS.NET great reviews
    (sorry, don't have links handy). Now of course, I don't need experts/reviews/etc.
    to tell me the advantages of .NET. I've been using it for two years now so
    I know from personal experience. Since apparently you don't bother reading
    the trade magazines and you refuse to listen to the people who actually use
    .NET, why not try it for yourself? What are you so afraid of?

    /Pat

  15. #30
    Rob Teixeira Guest

    Re: Is NET replacing COM ?


    kylix_is@yahoo.co.uk (Mike Mitchell) wrote:
    >
    >No, no! Delphi is a fine example. And *very* backward compatible, nota
    >bene.


    Hm, that's funny, because I certainly remember a conciderable amount of "classic"
    Pascal code I had that didn't compile in Delphi.

    >I wonder how they managed to support DotNet *and* still retain
    >backward compatibility?


    Have they? Because I haven't seen it yet. As of today, all their publically
    available product does is communicate with .NET using web services.
    Oh, is this from reading something or have you actually tried it yet?

    As a side note, Borland is really pushing .NET as part of their strategy.
    Since you think .NET sucks, don't you think it's about time to start looking
    for another vendor?

    Also, I just thought you might like to know that Borland was also one of
    the first companies to produce a product with integrated web services support
    (even before MS). That's clearly a negative sign, isn't it?

    Come to think of it, have you actually EVER used Delphi? I know this question's
    come up before.
    Is your entire development experience based on periodicals?

    I know I *read* somewhere that you might have code in production, but I think
    that's a good argument for not believing everything you read.

    -Rob


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