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  1. #1
    _CAG Guest

    How long before the next version??

    Does anyone have a guess as to when the next VB.NET version will be
    released?

    Cal



  2. #2
    Jeff Johnson Guest

    Re: How long before the next version??


    "_CAG" <CAG@a-znet.com> wrote:
    >Does anyone have a guess as to when the next VB.NET version will be
    >released?
    >
    >Cal



    I think it should go beta next January at the soonest... and then relased
    a year after that.

  3. #3
    _CAG Guest

    Re: How long before the next version??

    I would have liked to wait. Guess I won't.

    Thanks,
    Cal

    "Jeff Johnson" <jeff.johnson@electricexpress.com> wrote in message
    news:3d3c06ce$1@10.1.10.29...
    >
    > "_CAG" <CAG@a-znet.com> wrote:
    > >Does anyone have a guess as to when the next VB.NET version will be
    > >released?
    > >
    > >Cal

    >
    >
    > I think it should go beta next January at the soonest... and then relased
    > a year after that.




  4. #4
    Jim Pragit Guest

    Re: How long before the next version??


    Hi Cal,

    There are two new versions of .NET in the works. The first is code-named
    Everett which is essentially .NET version 1.1. Everett is scheduled to be
    released later this year. The next major release, code-named Whidbey, is
    .NET version 2.0. This is scheduled to be released by end of 2003. Keep
    in mind that Microsoft tends to slip on these sort of deadlines so take these
    dates with a grain of salt.

    For more information, see the following article:
    http://www.eweek.com/article2/0%2C39...73783%2C00.asp

    - Jim

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    "_CAG" <CAG@a-znet.com> wrote:
    >Does anyone have a guess as to when the next VB.NET version will be
    >released?
    >
    >Cal
    >
    >



  5. #5
    Joe \Nuke Me Xemu\ Foster Guest

    Re: How long before the next version??

    "_CAG" <CAG@a-znet.com> wrote in message <news:3d3b5ebd@10.1.10.29>...

    > Does anyone have a guess as to when the next VB.NET version will be
    > released?


    You mean, when will you have a new "opportunity" to rewrite all your code?

    --
    Joe Foster <mailto:jlfoster%40znet.com> Greed = God? <http://www.xenu.net/>
    WARNING: I cannot be held responsible for the above They're coming to
    because my cats have apparently learned to type. take me away, ha ha!



  6. #6
    Patrice Scribe Guest

    Re: How long before the next version??

    Note though this is much likely the .NET framework, not really VB.NET !

    Patrice

    "_CAG" <CAG@a-znet.com> a écrit dans le message news:
    3d3c1f0a$1@10.1.10.29...
    > I would have liked to wait. Guess I won't.
    >
    > Thanks,
    > Cal
    >
    > "Jeff Johnson" <jeff.johnson@electricexpress.com> wrote in message
    > news:3d3c06ce$1@10.1.10.29...
    > >
    > > "_CAG" <CAG@a-znet.com> wrote:
    > > >Does anyone have a guess as to when the next VB.NET version will be
    > > >released?
    > > >
    > > >Cal

    > >
    > >
    > > I think it should go beta next January at the soonest... and then

    relased
    > > a year after that.

    >
    >




  7. #7
    Patrice Scribe Guest

    Re: How long before the next version??

    Note that this is unlikely you'll have to update your code, now that the
    underlying platform has changed. The VB6 to VB.NET update is much like an OS
    change.
    AFAIK the next release won't change VB.NET but more likely the underlying
    ..NET infrastructure (just adding).

    Patrice

    "Joe "Nuke Me Xemu" Foster" <joe@bftsi0.UUCP> a écrit dans le message news:
    3d3c2e27@10.1.10.29...
    > "_CAG" <CAG@a-znet.com> wrote in message <news:3d3b5ebd@10.1.10.29>...
    >
    > > Does anyone have a guess as to when the next VB.NET version will be
    > > released?

    >
    > You mean, when will you have a new "opportunity" to rewrite all your code?
    >
    > --
    > Joe Foster <mailto:jlfoster%40znet.com> Greed = God?

    <http://www.xenu.net/>
    > WARNING: I cannot be held responsible for the above They're

    coming to
    > because my cats have apparently learned to type. take me away,

    ha ha!
    >
    >




  8. #8
    Joe \Nuke Me Xemu\ Foster Guest

    Re: How long before the next version??

    "Patrice Scribe" <scribe@chez.com> wrote in message <news:3d3c44d8@10.1.10.29>...

    > Note that this is unlikely you'll have to update your code, now that the
    > underlying platform has changed. The VB6 to VB.NET update is much like an OS
    > change.
    > AFAIK the next release won't change VB.NET but more likely the underlying
    > .NET infrastructure (just adding).


    Will they get around to just adding back real array support?

    URL:news://news.devx.com/39e358ba.31693765@news.devx.com

    URL:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...%40tkmsftngp03

    Might be nice if they just subtract the GC idiocy ripped off
    from Java, which as we all know simply is not up to the job:

    URL:http://cuj.com/java/articles/a24/a24.htm?topic=java

    (Wrapping *each and every class* that might hold resources is
    considered *easier* than other approaches!? Which garbage
    collector do we call to come put both Java and .NET out of our
    collective misery? "Wrap That Rascal", indeed...)

    --
    Joe Foster <mailto:jlfoster%40znet.com> "Regged" again? <http://www.xenu.net/>
    WARNING: I cannot be held responsible for the above They're coming to
    because my cats have apparently learned to type. take me away, ha ha!



  9. #9
    Patrice Scribe Guest

    Re: How long before the next version??

    AFAIK you can already create non zero based array (though this is done by
    the framework not in the language) and if I remember it was done for
    interoperability (non zero based arrays are not CLS compliant).

    For the GC, no definitive opinion but it seems to me it will fade away as
    managed support grows. Remember you have to do this only for unmanaged
    resources...

    Patrice

    "Joe "Nuke Me Xemu" Foster" <joe@bftsi0.UUCP> a écrit dans le message news:
    3d3c64a1@10.1.10.29...
    > "Patrice Scribe" <scribe@chez.com> wrote in message

    <news:3d3c44d8@10.1.10.29>...
    >
    > > Note that this is unlikely you'll have to update your code, now that the
    > > underlying platform has changed. The VB6 to VB.NET update is much like

    an OS
    > > change.
    > > AFAIK the next release won't change VB.NET but more likely the

    underlying
    > > .NET infrastructure (just adding).

    >
    > Will they get around to just adding back real array support?
    >
    > URL:news://news.devx.com/39e358ba.31693765@news.devx.com
    >
    > URL:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...%40tkmsftngp03
    >
    > Might be nice if they just subtract the GC idiocy ripped off
    > from Java, which as we all know simply is not up to the job:
    >
    > URL:http://cuj.com/java/articles/a24/a24.htm?topic=java
    >
    > (Wrapping *each and every class* that might hold resources is
    > considered *easier* than other approaches!? Which garbage
    > collector do we call to come put both Java and .NET out of our
    > collective misery? "Wrap That Rascal", indeed...)
    >
    > --
    > Joe Foster <mailto:jlfoster%40znet.com> "Regged" again?

    <http://www.xenu.net/>
    > WARNING: I cannot be held responsible for the above They're

    coming to
    > because my cats have apparently learned to type. take me away,

    ha ha!
    >
    >




  10. #10
    Joe \Nuke Me Xemu\ Foster Guest

    Re: How long before the next version??

    "Patrice Scribe" <scribe@chez.com> wrote in message <news:3d3d1dda@10.1.10.29>...

    > AFAIK you can already create non zero based array (though this is done by
    > the framework not in the language) and if I remember it was done for
    > interoperability (non zero based arrays are not CLS compliant).


    Umm, duh? Have you actually tried working with such an "array"?

    > For the GC, no definitive opinion but it seems to me it will fade away as
    > managed support grows. Remember you have to do this only for unmanaged
    > resources...


    Ground Control to Major Tom... I *am* talking about "managed"
    resources, you wingnut! At least *try* to keep up, mmkay?

    --
    Joe Foster <mailto:jlfoster%40znet.com> L. Ron Dullard <http://www.xenu.net/>
    WARNING: I cannot be held responsible for the above They're coming to
    because my cats have apparently learned to type. take me away, ha ha!



  11. #11
    Patrice Scribe Guest

    Re: How long before the next version??


    "Joe "Nuke Me Xemu" Foster" <joe@bftsi0.UUCP> a écrit dans le message news:
    3d3d8fcf@10.1.10.29...
    > "Patrice Scribe" <scribe@chez.com> wrote in message

    <news:3d3d1dda@10.1.10.29>...
    >
    > > AFAIK you can already create non zero based array (though this is done

    by
    > > the framework not in the language) and if I remember it was done for
    > > interoperability (non zero based arrays are not CLS compliant).

    >
    > Umm, duh? Have you actually tried working with such an "array"?


    Actually I'm generally using zero based array. What are the problems you had
    with them ?

    >
    > > For the GC, no definitive opinion but it seems to me it will fade away

    as
    > > managed support grows. Remember you have to do this only for unmanaged
    > > resources...

    >
    > Ground Control to Major Tom... I *am* talking about "managed"
    > resources, you wingnut! At least *try* to keep up, mmkay?


    Humm... Always thought you don't have to "wrap" (ie. implement IDisposable)
    managed resources ? Or do you mean you have to call the close method and
    eventually set the object to nothing (which doesn't seem to be so different
    from VB6) ?

    >
    > --
    > Joe Foster <mailto:jlfoster%40znet.com> L. Ron Dullard

    <http://www.xenu.net/>
    > WARNING: I cannot be held responsible for the above They're

    coming to
    > because my cats have apparently learned to type. take me away,

    ha ha!
    >
    >




  12. #12
    Joe \Nuke Me Xemu\ Foster Guest

    Re: How long before the next version??

    "Patrice Scribe" <scribe@chez.com> wrote in message <news:3d3d9522$1@10.1.10.29>...

    > "Joe "Nuke Me Xemu" Foster" <joe@bftsi0.UUCP> a écrit dans le message news:
    > 3d3d8fcf@10.1.10.29...


    > > Umm, duh? Have you actually tried working with such an "array"?

    >
    > Actually I'm generally using zero based array. What are the problems you had
    > with them ?


    You mean, besides their imbecilic design, interface, and implementation?

    URL:http://216.239.33.100/search?q=cache...et/ArraysX.htm

    > > Ground Control to Major Tom... I *am* talking about "managed"
    > > resources, you wingnut! At least *try* to keep up, mmkay?

    >
    > Humm... Always thought you don't have to "wrap" (ie. implement IDisposable)
    > managed resources ? Or do you mean you have to call the close method and
    > eventually set the object to nothing (which doesn't seem to be so different
    > from VB6) ?


    Perhaps if you were actually familiar with VB 4.0, 5.0, or 6.0, you'd
    know about this obscure, insignificant, almost unknown feature known
    as the "Class_Terminate" event? Maybe you'd even know that *having*
    to *explicitly* call Close methods and Set references to Nothing tend
    to be the hallmarks of badly designed and/or buggy components, such
    as earlier versions of DAO, RDO, and ADO:

    URL:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...%40tkmsftngp04

    So, is the CLR a product of poor design or of more bugs than a Biblical
    plague of locusts? After all, even Brian Harry [MSFT] admits that .NET
    dropped the ball when it comes to cleaning up any but trivial classes!

    --
    Joe Foster <mailto:jlfoster%40znet.com> Wanna buy a Bridge? <http://xenu.net/>
    WARNING: I cannot be held responsible for the above They're coming to
    because my cats have apparently learned to type. take me away, ha ha!



  13. #13
    Patrice Scribe Guest

    Re: How long before the next version??

    > You mean, besides their imbecilic design, interface, and implementation?
    >
    >

    URL:http://216.239.33.100/search?q=cache...thlink.net/~bu
    tlerbob/VBNet/ArraysX.htm

    If you need a simpler syntax you could probably create a class (I know you
    shouldn't have to but if you choosed .NET you may want to workaround these
    issues) to obtain something like :

    Dim MyArray As New IntegerArray(10,20) ' Upper To Lower
    Dim i As Integer
    For i=MyArray.GetLowerBound(0) To MyArray.GetUpperBound(0)
    Debug.Write(MyArray(i))
    Next

    > Perhaps if you were actually familiar with VB 4.0, 5.0, or 6.0, you'd
    > know about this obscure, insignificant, almost unknown feature known
    > as the "Class_Terminate" event? Maybe you'd even know that *having*
    > to *explicitly* call Close methods and Set references to Nothing tend
    > to be the hallmarks of badly designed and/or buggy components, such
    > as earlier versions of DAO, RDO, and ADO:
    >
    > URL:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...%40tkmsftngp04


    I'm used to Close and Set objects to nothing in VB6. IMO it documents the
    fact that you don't need an object later in your code. Also it allows to
    release things like a database connection as soon as you don't need it
    anymore rather than waiting for the variable to be out of scope.

    Patrice




  14. #14
    Joe \Nuke Me Xemu\ Foster Guest

    Re: How long before the next version??

    "Patrice Scribe" <scribe@chez.com> wrote in message <news:3d3e7a8e$1@10.1.10.29>...

    > > You mean, besides their imbecilic design, interface, and implementation?
    > >
    > >

    > URL:http://216.239.33.100/search?q=cache...et/ArraysX.htm
    >
    > If you need a simpler syntax you could probably create a class (I know you
    > shouldn't have to but if you choosed .NET you may want to workaround these
    > issues) to obtain something like :
    >
    > Dim MyArray As New IntegerArray(10,20) ' Upper To Lower
    > Dim i As Integer
    > For i=MyArray.GetLowerBound(0) To MyArray.GetUpperBound(0)
    > Debug.Write(MyArray(i))
    > Next


    So much for your specious claims that the .NET framework natively
    supports non-zero based arrays, especially when we'd be much better
    off rolling our own than tolerating the framework's "support", eh?

    > > Perhaps if you were actually familiar with VB 4.0, 5.0, or 6.0, you'd
    > > know about this obscure, insignificant, almost unknown feature known
    > > as the "Class_Terminate" event? Maybe you'd even know that *having*
    > > to *explicitly* call Close methods and Set references to Nothing tend
    > > to be the hallmarks of badly designed and/or buggy components, such
    > > as earlier versions of DAO, RDO, and ADO:
    > >
    > > URL:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...%40tkmsftngp04

    >
    > I'm used to Close and Set objects to nothing in VB6. IMO it documents the
    > fact that you don't need an object later in your code. Also it allows to
    > release things like a database connection as soon as you don't need it
    > anymore rather than waiting for the variable to be out of scope.


    Are you "forgetting" that objects on the "finalization queue" are NOT
    cleaned up automagically when they go out of scope? Sure, it's best
    to .Close/.Dispose/.Whatever objects that you can know you don't need
    anymore, but that hardly justifies the GC's keeping them in limbo for
    arbitrary lengths of time if you don't, as even some Java zealots are
    finally willing to admit:

    URL:http://cuj.com/java/articles/a24/a24.htm?topic=java

    You don't actually know much about .NET's architecture, do you.

    --
    Joe Foster <mailto:jlfoster%40znet.com> L. Ron Dullard <http://www.xenu.net/>
    WARNING: I cannot be held responsible for the above They're coming to
    because my cats have apparently learned to type. take me away, ha ha!



  15. #15
    Tom Shelton Guest

    Re: How long before the next version??


    "Joe "Nuke Me Xemu" Foster" <joe@bftsi0.UUCP> wrote in message
    news:3d3ed5e3@10.1.10.29...
    > "Patrice Scribe" <scribe@chez.com> wrote in message

    <news:3d3e7a8e$1@10.1.10.29>...
    >
    > > > You mean, besides their imbecilic design, interface, and

    implementation?
    > > >
    > > >

    > >

    URL:http://216.239.33.100/search?q=cache...thlink.net/~bu
    tlerbob/VBNet/ArraysX.htm
    > >
    > > If you need a simpler syntax you could probably create a class (I know

    you
    > > shouldn't have to but if you choosed .NET you may want to workaround

    these
    > > issues) to obtain something like :
    > >
    > > Dim MyArray As New IntegerArray(10,20) ' Upper To Lower
    > > Dim i As Integer
    > > For i=MyArray.GetLowerBound(0) To MyArray.GetUpperBound(0)
    > > Debug.Write(MyArray(i))
    > > Next

    >
    > So much for your specious claims that the .NET framework natively
    > supports non-zero based arrays, especially when we'd be much better
    > off rolling our own than tolerating the framework's "support", eh?


    AFIK, It does. You can cast the result of Array.CreateInstance to a typed
    array as long as it has more then one dimmension. I understand that you can
    modify the IL to make this work on 1 dimmensional arrays but I haven't
    bothered to research that.

    If the above is true, and you can modify the IL to make this work then this
    is a compiler implementation issue, not a framework issue.

    > > > Perhaps if you were actually familiar with VB 4.0, 5.0, or 6.0, you'd
    > > > know about this obscure, insignificant, almost unknown feature known
    > > > as the "Class_Terminate" event? Maybe you'd even know that *having*
    > > > to *explicitly* call Close methods and Set references to Nothing tend
    > > > to be the hallmarks of badly designed and/or buggy components, such
    > > > as earlier versions of DAO, RDO, and ADO:
    > > >
    > > >

    URL:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...%40tkmsftngp04
    > >
    > > I'm used to Close and Set objects to nothing in VB6. IMO it documents

    the
    > > fact that you don't need an object later in your code. Also it allows to
    > > release things like a database connection as soon as you don't need it
    > > anymore rather than waiting for the variable to be out of scope.

    >
    > Are you "forgetting" that objects on the "finalization queue" are NOT
    > cleaned up automagically when they go out of scope? Sure, it's best
    > to .Close/.Dispose/.Whatever objects that you can know you don't need
    > anymore, but that hardly justifies the GC's keeping them in limbo for
    > arbitrary lengths of time if you don't, as even some Java zealots are
    > finally willing to admit:
    >
    > URL:http://cuj.com/java/articles/a24/a24.htm?topic=java
    >
    > You don't actually know much about .NET's architecture, do you.


    Joe, I am tired of reading your incessant ranting about GC and DF. You know
    as well as I do that this is simply not an issue in probably 99% of cases.
    Most classes do not manage critical resources, those that do require a
    little special care.

    I'm not saying that you can't have resource leaks using this model, but in
    my experience with both .NET and Java the situation is not nearly as dire as
    you make it out to be. I know of no language that absolutely guarantees
    complete resource safety. Are you claiming that you can't have resource
    leaks in VB.CLASSIC? I'm sure if I went searching on google I could find
    all kinds of articles about how to avoid VB.CLASSIC leaks.

    Tom Shelton



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