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  1. #31
    Michael Gautier Guest

    Re: How long before the next version??


    Tentatively, there would be a update to Visual Studio in the next few months
    that makes the current version of Visual Studio more performant and improved.
    This is an update but may be considered a somewhat new version depending
    on how far they go.

    Second release would be optimized for SQL Server, but would likely have some
    other things. I wonder if they will incorporate their Application Blocks
    as higher level abstractions in the next release.

    Third release would have a new user interface for the developer to concide
    with the major user interface change in Longhorn. Some would say why do I
    need a Visual Studio with a new interface? I would say that once you get
    your backend and middle tier in order, the User Interface is the differentiating
    factor that continues to sell your product.

  2. #32
    _CAG Guest

    Re: How long before the next version??


    "Michael Gautier" <vb.@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
    news:3d41ebf8$1@10.1.10.29...
    >
    > Tentatively, there would be a update to Visual Studio in the next few

    months
    > that makes the current version of Visual Studio more performant and

    improved.
    > This is an update but may be considered a somewhat new version depending
    > on how far they go.
    >

    Sorry I'm so thick, but what I don't understand is: Will the update/new
    version appear on the shelves as a product or will it be downloaded and
    applied to the existing product. (I could buy in Sept or wait a few months
    if there is a reason to.)

    Secondly, it appears from your note that it is still called Visual Studio (I
    assume your referring to .NET and not the older product that contained VB7)

    I'm getting overwhelmed with the nomenclature. For example someone wrote
    about the next release:
    Note though this is much likely the .NET framework, not really VB.NET !
    What does that mean?


    Thanks for taking the trouble to reply, I appreciate it,
    Cal








  3. #33
    Jim Pragit Guest

    Re: How long before the next version??


    Hi Cal,

    "_CAG" <CAG@a-znet.com> wrote:
    >
    >Sorry I'm so thick, but what I don't understand is: Will the update/new
    >version appear on the shelves as a product or will it be downloaded and
    >applied to the existing product. (I could buy in Sept or wait a few months
    >if there is a reason to.)


    I don't think Microsoft has formally announced their pricing details. My
    guess is that the next minor release (Everett) will appear on the shelves
    as a new product which you would have to buy.

    >Secondly, it appears from your note that it is still called Visual Studio

    (I
    >assume your referring to .NET and not the older product that contained VB7)
    >
    >I'm getting overwhelmed with the nomenclature.


    Well, this part isn't really your fault. Microsoft hasn't exactly been very
    consistent with its naming conventions. For the purposes of this discussion,
    you can consider VB.NET and VB7 to be the same product.

    >For example someone wrote
    >about the next release:
    > Note though this is much likely the .NET framework, not really VB.NET

    !
    >What does that mean?


    The .NET Framework is the low-level runtime that VB.NET runs on top of.
    They are two separate, but related products. IOW, VB.NET runs on top of
    the .NET Framework. This is sort of similar to the way that VB6 runs on
    top of Windows.

    Cal, if I understand you correctly, you're concerned about wasting your money.
    You don't want to go out and buy it if 6 months down the line, Microsoft
    is going to release a new version. In that case, here are three inexpensive
    options:

    1) Buy VB.NET Standard Edition. The good news is that it is relatively cheap
    (about $100). The bad news is that is is stripped down and doesn't include
    all the features you might want. The most obvious omission is the lack of
    Upgrade Wizard. Here's a URL that tells you more:

    http://www.msdn.microsoft.com/vbasic...y/choosing.asp

    2) Buy the Academic Edition. If you're in college, you can should be able
    to buy VS.NET at a discounted rate (about $100):

    http://www.microsoft.com/education/d...cademicPricing

    3) Get the 60-Day Trial Edition of VS.NET. It expires after 60 days but
    it only costs $1.50 which is probably the best value you'll ever get for
    $1.50:

    http://www.msdn.microsoft.com/vstudi...info/trial.asp

    - Jim

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    If we do not believe in freedom of speech for those we despise we do not
    believe in it at all.
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  4. #34
    Jim Pragit Guest

    Re: How long before the next version??


    Hi Michka,

    I did say 'sort of'.

    - Jim

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    If we do not believe in freedom of speech for those we despise we do not
    believe in it at all.
    - Noam Chomsky

    "Michael \(michka\) Kaplan" <michka@spamless.trigeminal.nospamcom> wrote:
    >"Jim Pragit" <NoSpam@NoSpam.com> wrote...
    >
    >> The .NET Framework is the low-level runtime that VB.NET runs
    >> on top of. They are two separate, but related products. IOW,
    >> VB.NET runs on top of the .NET Framework. This is sort of
    >> similar to the way that VB6 runs on top of Windows.

    >
    >Not the best analogy in the world, since the framework runs on top of
    >Windows, too? <g>
    >
    >
    >--
    >MichKa
    >
    >Michael Kaplan
    >Trigeminal Software, Inc. -- http://www.trigeminal.com/
    >
    >International VB? -- http://www.i18nWithVB.com/
    >C++? MSLU -- http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/issues/01/10/
    >
    >



  5. #35
    Mike Mitchell Guest

    Re: How long before the next version??

    On 27 Jul 2002 12:10:49 -0700, "Jim Pragit" <NoSpam@NoSpam.com> wrote:

    >3) Get the 60-Day Trial Edition of VS.NET. It expires after 60 days but
    >it only costs $1.50 which is probably the best value you'll ever get for
    >$1.50:


    Ooh, dunno 'bout that! How much do Big Macs cost, stateside?

    MM

  6. #36
    james Guest

    Re: How long before the next version??

    More than a $1.50 !
    james

    "Mike Mitchell" <kylix_is@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
    news:3d432c84.338618@news.devx.com...
    > On 27 Jul 2002 12:10:49 -0700, "Jim Pragit" <NoSpam@NoSpam.com> wrote:
    >
    > >3) Get the 60-Day Trial Edition of VS.NET. It expires after 60 days but
    > >it only costs $1.50 which is probably the best value you'll ever get for
    > >$1.50:

    >
    > Ooh, dunno 'bout that! How much do Big Macs cost, stateside?
    >
    > MM




  7. #37
    _CAG Guest

    Re: How long before the next version??


    > My guess is that the next minor release (Everett) will appear on the

    shelves
    > as a new product which you would have to buy.


    This is what I've been wanting to know.

    > The .NET Framework is the low-level runtime that VB.NET runs on top of.


    Anolgous to VBRUN100?

    >
    > Cal, if I understand you correctly, you're concerned about wasting your

    money.
    > You don't want to go out and buy it if 6 months down the line, Microsoft
    > is going to release a new version. In that case, here are three

    inexpensive
    > options:


    Exactly

    >
    > 3) Get the 60-Day Trial Edition of VS.NET. It expires after 60 days but
    > it only costs $1.50 which is probably the best value you'll ever get for
    > $1.50:
    >

    Can't get any better than this

    Cal



  8. #38
    MMFAN Guest

    Re: How long before the next version??


    The .Notters go away and build apps in new languages. The .Net defenders
    stay here forever and post rude comments to those who simply want information.

    You're a credit to your cause and a dumbass to boot.

    "Patrick Troughton" <Patrick@Troughton.com> wrote:
    >
    >Not to be rude for the second day in a row, but did you even bother reading
    >the link Michael Gautier posted for you? The second line of the article

    answers
    >your question. You have the reading comprehension skills of a .NOTter.
    >
    >/Pat
    >
    >"_CAG" <CAG@a-znet.com> wrote:
    >>But nothing new on the market sooner then a year from now?
    >>Cal
    >>
    >>
    >>"Michael Gautier" <vb@vb.com> wrote in message news:3d407891$1@10.1.10.29...
    >>>
    >>> "_CAG" <CAG@a-znet.com> wrote:
    >>> >Does anyone have a guess as to when the next VB.NET version will be
    >>> >released?
    >>> >
    >>> >Cal
    >>> >
    >>> >
    >>>
    >>> http://news.com.com/2100-1001-946395.html?tag=fd_top
    >>>
    >>> There is mention of a 3rd release.

    >>
    >>

    >



  9. #39
    Ed Courtenay Guest

    Re: How long before the next version??


    "MMFAN" <MMFAN@MMFAN.org> wrote in message news:3d4455cf$1@10.1.10.29...
    >
    > The .Notters go away and build apps in new languages.


    ROFLMAO! Yeah, right. Tell me .NOT boy, pray what *new* languages you've
    been using recently?



  10. #40
    Kunle Odutola Guest

    Re: How long before the next version??


    "Ed Courtenay" <my-first-name@edcourtenay.co.uk> wrote in message
    news:3d44fa46$1@10.1.10.29...
    >
    > "MMFAN" <MMFAN@MMFAN.org> wrote in message news:3d4455cf$1@10.1.10.29...
    > >
    > > The .Notters go away and build apps in new languages.

    >
    > ROFLMAO! Yeah, right. Tell me .NOT boy, pray what *new* languages you've
    > been using recently?


    He would usually reply "Kylix".

    But his [lack of] posts in Kylix newsgroups and his attacks on OOP makes
    that reply as specious as his claims to knowledge of any version of VB.

    Kunle



  11. #41
    Patrick Troughton Guest

    Re: How long before the next version??


    Hi MMFAN,

    You ommitted the part that said that the question he had asked had already
    been answered several times.

    /Pat



  12. #42
    Patrick Troughton Guest

    Re: How long before the next version??


    >The .Net defenders
    >stay here forever and post rude comments to those who simply want information.
    >
    >You're a credit to your cause and a dumbass to boot.


    BTW, I never resort to name calling as you do. I just simply asked if he
    had bothered reading the answers he had received because his question had
    been answered more than once. If you read his response to me, you would see
    he rephrased his question to mean something other than what he had originally
    asked. Contrary to what you might have heard, we're not mind-readers.

    /Pat

  13. #43
    Joe \Nuke Me Xemu\ Foster Guest

    Re: How long before the next version??

    "Kunle Odutola okocha.freeserve.co.uk>" <kunle.odutola@<REMOVETHIS> wrote in message <news:3d3ef0a3@10.1.10.29>...

    > "Joe "Nuke Me Xemu" Foster" <joe@bftsi0.UUCP> wrote in message
    > news:3d3ed5e3@10.1.10.29...
    >
    > > So much for your specious claims that the .NET framework natively
    > > supports non-zero based arrays,

    >
    > The CLR does.


    MSIL might, but not much else!

    > > especially when we'd be much better
    > > off rolling our own than tolerating the framework's "support", eh?

    >
    > "Rolling your own" [if and when existing solutions are inappropriate] is
    > indeed what programming is all about. What's your point?


    That non-zero-based arrays are definitely not adequately supported in
    ..NET, even if the CLR has heard of them. Do at least try to keep up,
    mmkay?

    > > > I'm used to Close and Set objects to nothing in VB6. IMO it documents

    > the
    > > > fact that you don't need an object later in your code. Also it allows to
    > > > release things like a database connection as soon as you don't need it
    > > > anymore rather than waiting for the variable to be out of scope.

    > >
    > > Are you "forgetting" that objects on the "finalization queue" are NOT
    > > cleaned up automagically when they go out of scope?

    >
    > Who cares?. They are out of scope!
    > If they are facades for scare resources, there are a number of documented
    > design patterns for dealing with this very rare situation.


    "Very rare" as in open file handles? Databases? Even hourglasses?

    URL:http://engineeringobjects.com/cpp_hourglass.htm

    So, do tell us about how facades can be used in .NET to make resource
    management as easy and effective as it has been in C++ since it was
    called "C With Classes" or in VB since version 4.0. Please.

    > > You don't actually know much about .NET's architecture, do you.

    >
    > As opposed to someone who claims not to use or care for .NET?


    Evidently.

    --
    Joe Foster <mailto:jlfoster%40znet.com> Sacrament R2-45 <http://www.xenu.net/>
    WARNING: I cannot be held responsible for the above They're coming to
    because my cats have apparently learned to type. take me away, ha ha!



  14. #44
    Joe \Nuke Me Xemu\ Foster Guest

    Re: How long before the next version??

    "Michael (michka) Kaplan" <michka@spamless.trigeminal.nospamcom> wrote in message <news:3d3edf0c$1@10.1.10.29>...

    > "Joe "Nuke Me Xemu" Foster" <joe@bftsi0.UUCP> wrote...
    >
    > > You don't actually know much about .NET's architecture, do you.

    >
    > This one wins "ironic post of the week" award from someone who has never
    > ever tried the **** thing.


    "Ironic" perhaps, but since you seem to be completely unable to
    point out absolutely any factual or logical flaws in it whatever,
    I'll assume that, "ironic" or not, you must agree with it? After
    all, most of my information does come straight from the horse's
    orifice:

    URL:http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/is...00/GCI/GCI.asp

    > Its a bit like getting advice on sexual positions
    > from a Catholic priest, listening to you spout off on a technology you won't
    > even install and try?


    Have you read any newspapers this year? It seems Catholic priests
    know rather a lot about sexual positions after all...

    > > They're coming to
    > > take me away, ha ha!

    >
    > We should be so lucky.


    Have you seen Zane's reply? You two are barely distinguishable!

    --
    Joe Foster <mailto:jlfoster%40znet.com> Auditine Addict <http://www.xenu.net/>
    WARNING: I cannot be held responsible for the above They're coming to
    because my cats have apparently learned to type. take me away, ha ha!



  15. #45
    Joe \Nuke Me Xemu\ Foster Guest

    Re: How long before the next version??

    "Patrice Scribe" <scribe@chez.com> wrote in message <news:3d3ee9b7$1@10.1.10.29>...

    > Ok Joe so :
    > - you have framework support (non compiler native) for non zero based array
    > - as you don't like the syntax, I suggested you could have something close
    > from what you seems to prefer
    > - a third option would be to sustract the base index from the index (or use
    > zero based array as we can in most cases)
    > - perhaps could you share with us the solution you are currently using ?


    I'd like to continue using Visual Basic, but that's simply not where
    Micro$haft wants anyone to go today, is it.

    > The problem is to avoid performing too much work on each release. If an
    > object is disposed my understanding is that a proper implementation will
    > remove it from the finalization queue as there is no need to clean up
    > internal unmanaged resources (already done when calling dispose !). The fact
    > that the memory is not released immediately (it seems you collapsed these
    > two steps in the "keeping them in limbo" expression) would allow to reuse
    > this same area without needing to reclaim it once you gave it back to the
    > OS. I admit memory allocation under .NET and in particular its relation with
    > the underlying OS would be interesting to see more detailed...


    Read the "Finalization" section and weep:

    URL:http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/is...00/GCI/GCI.asp

    It is possible to extract actual information from the flood of MSFT
    Marketing propaganda, but apparently it requires much more reading
    comprehension ability than is typically found amongst Zealots.NET...

    > The thing I find really amazing is that you seems to have so much concerns
    > with the .NET architecture.


    It appears Micro$haft isn't giving VB developers much choice but to
    be very concerned about the .NET architecture, no?

    > Do you use .NET as it seems, or are you using
    > something else, coming here for the pleasure of discussing politely with
    > uneducated people such as myself ?


    It's because Cheerleaders.NET such as yourself and those you dupe so
    obviously need a wake-up call!

    --
    Joe Foster <mailto:jlfoster%40znet.com> DC8s in Spaace: <http://www.xenu.net/>
    WARNING: I cannot be held responsible for the above They're coming to
    because my cats have apparently learned to type. take me away, ha ha!



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