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  1. #1
    iGadget Guest

    Developer Express tools - Wot no real demo?

    I'm looking for a powerful tree control for my new questionnaire
    application, and the best I have seen so far appears to be the Developer
    Express toolset, but they don't release an IDE version for testing!
    It seems incredible that a company expects people to invest hundreds of
    dollars in a product they can't test in-situ.
    Somehow, a precompiled demo application is not quite what I expect for a
    development tool.
    Does anyone have much experience of this product?

    Cheers,
    iGadget



  2. #2
    Mike Mitchell Guest

    Re: Developer Express tools - Wot no real demo?

    On Sun, 20 Oct 2002 14:05:09 +1000, "iGadget" <iGadget_@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    >I'm looking for a powerful tree control for my new questionnaire
    >application, and the best I have seen so far appears to be the Developer
    >Express toolset, but they don't release an IDE version for testing!
    >It seems incredible that a company expects people to invest hundreds of
    >dollars in a product they can't test in-situ.
    >Somehow, a precompiled demo application is not quite what I expect for a
    >development tool.
    >Does anyone have much experience of this product?


    iGadget, what is wrong with the Windows-supplied TreeView control?

    MM

  3. #3
    iGadget Guest

    Re: Developer Express tools - Wot no real demo?

    "Mike Mitchell" <kylix_is@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
    news:8v35ru8tl06ei3q96hutsei0ls9qk6eebk@4ax.com...
    > On Sun, 20 Oct 2002 14:05:09 +1000, "iGadget" <iGadget_@hotmail.com>
    > wrote:
    >
    > >I'm looking for a powerful tree control for my new questionnaire
    > >application, and the best I have seen so far appears to be the Developer
    > >Express toolset, but they don't release an IDE version for testing!
    > >It seems incredible that a company expects people to invest hundreds of
    > >dollars in a product they can't test in-situ.
    > >Somehow, a precompiled demo application is not quite what I expect for a
    > >development tool.
    > >Does anyone have much experience of this product?

    >
    > iGadget, what is wrong with the Windows-supplied TreeView control?


    I need to do lots of modification to the visual display of the tree, adding
    bracketing of sections of trees and custom images to individual nodes.
    I know I could subclass the control and add all this functionality
    eventually, but the DevExp control already has all of this functionality
    implemented and has a nice set of optional input controls for numbers,
    dates, memos etc. so I'd rather not reinherit the wheel (is this a new
    saying?)

    Cheers,
    iGadget



  4. #4
    Miha Markic Guest

    Re: Developer Express tools - Wot no real demo?

    LOL

    "Mike Mitchell" <kylix_is@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
    news:8v35ru8tl06ei3q96hutsei0ls9qk6eebk@4ax.com...
    > On Sun, 20 Oct 2002 14:05:09 +1000, "iGadget" <iGadget_@hotmail.com>
    > wrote:


    > iGadget, what is wrong with the Windows-supplied TreeView control?




  5. #5
    Miha Markic Guest

    Re: Developer Express tools - Wot no real demo?

    Hi,

    Developer Express (I am not an employee) offers 60 days unconditional money
    back guarantee instead so you can test and return the product if you like.

    --
    Miha Markic - DXSquad
    www.dxsquad.com, www.spin.si/www/eng

    "iGadget" <iGadget_@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:3db22929$1@tnews.web.devx.com...
    > I'm looking for a powerful tree control for my new questionnaire
    > application, and the best I have seen so far appears to be the Developer
    > Express toolset, but they don't release an IDE version for testing!
    > It seems incredible that a company expects people to invest hundreds of
    > dollars in a product they can't test in-situ.
    > Somehow, a precompiled demo application is not quite what I expect for a
    > development tool.
    > Does anyone have much experience of this product?
    >
    > Cheers,
    > iGadget
    >
    >




  6. #6
    iGadget Guest

    Re: Developer Express tools - Wot no real demo?

    OK, thanks.
    Do they offer a Component Suite for all their .NET products or anything like
    that? I can't see anything on their website, and I would like to buy all of
    them

    Cheers,
    iGadget

    "Miha Markic" <miham@pleasenospam.spin.si> wrote in message
    news:3db3aaae@tnews.web.devx.com...
    > Hi,
    >
    > Developer Express (I am not an employee) offers 60 days unconditional

    money
    > back guarantee instead so you can test and return the product if you like.
    >
    > --
    > Miha Markic - DXSquad
    > www.dxsquad.com, www.spin.si/www/eng
    >
    > "iGadget" <iGadget_@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:3db22929$1@tnews.web.devx.com...
    > > I'm looking for a powerful tree control for my new questionnaire
    > > application, and the best I have seen so far appears to be the Developer
    > > Express toolset, but they don't release an IDE version for testing!
    > > It seems incredible that a company expects people to invest hundreds of
    > > dollars in a product they can't test in-situ.
    > > Somehow, a precompiled demo application is not quite what I expect for a
    > > development tool.
    > > Does anyone have much experience of this product?
    > >
    > > Cheers,
    > > iGadget
    > >
    > >

    >
    >




  7. #7
    Miha Markic Guest

    Re: Developer Express tools - Wot no real demo?

    Sure, check under subscriptions...
    http://www.devexpress.com/products/subscriptions.asp

    Miha

    "iGadget" <iGadget_@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:3db3abed@tnews.web.devx.com...
    > OK, thanks.
    > Do they offer a Component Suite for all their .NET products or anything

    like
    > that? I can't see anything on their website, and I would like to buy all

    of
    > them




  8. #8
    iGadget Guest

    Re: Developer Express tools - Wot no real demo?

    Ah, drat.
    I was looking under the pricing section... :/

    Thanks,
    iGadget

    "Miha Markic" <miham@pleasenospam.spin.si> wrote in message
    news:3db3afe5@tnews.web.devx.com...
    > Sure, check under subscriptions...
    > http://www.devexpress.com/products/subscriptions.asp
    >
    > Miha
    >
    > "iGadget" <iGadget_@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:3db3abed@tnews.web.devx.com...
    > > OK, thanks.
    > > Do they offer a Component Suite for all their .NET products or anything

    > like
    > > that? I can't see anything on their website, and I would like to buy

    all
    > of
    > > them

    >
    >




  9. #9
    Miha Markic Guest

    Re: Developer Express tools - Wot no real demo?

    > Ah, drat.



    Miha



  10. #10
    Tim Hitchings \(Infragistics\) Guest

    Re: Developer Express tools - Wot no real demo?

    iGadget wrote:
    > I'm looking for a powerful tree control for my new questionnaire
    > application, and the best I have seen so far appears to be the
    > Developer Express toolset, but they don't release an IDE version for
    > testing! It seems incredible that a company expects people to invest
    > hundreds of dollars in a product they can't test in-situ.
    > Somehow, a precompiled demo application is not quite what I expect
    > for a development tool.


    I suggest you also look at the Infragistics NetAdvantage suite.
    http://www.infragistics.com
    It has a tree control for win forms as well as a tree for ASP.NET.



  11. #11
    iGadget Guest

    Re: Developer Express tools - Wot no real demo?

    "Tim Hitchings (Infragistics)" <productmanager@infragistics.com> wrote in
    message news:3db3f19a$1@tnews.web.devx.com...
    > iGadget wrote:
    > > I'm looking for a powerful tree control for my new questionnaire
    > > application, and the best I have seen so far appears to be the
    > > Developer Express toolset, but they don't release an IDE version for
    > > testing! It seems incredible that a company expects people to invest
    > > hundreds of dollars in a product they can't test in-situ.
    > > Somehow, a precompiled demo application is not quite what I expect
    > > for a development tool.

    >
    > I suggest you also look at the Infragistics NetAdvantage suite.
    > http://www.infragistics.com
    > It has a tree control for win forms as well as a tree for ASP.NET.


    Thanks, I did indeed look at that one, but my requirements are for something
    that is heavily (and easily) visually customisable, and there is no mention
    of any event handling for that purpose. I will download a trial copy though,
    and check it out anyway.

    Thanks,
    iGadget



  12. #12
    Tim Hitchings \(Infragistics\) Guest

    Re: Developer Express tools - Wot no real demo?

    iGadget wrote:
    >> I suggest you also look at the Infragistics NetAdvantage Suite.
    >> http://www.infragistics.com
    >> It has a tree control for win forms as well as a tree for ASP.NET.

    >
    > Thanks, I did indeed look at that one, but my requirements are for
    > something that is heavily (and easily) visually customisable, and
    > there is no mention of any event handling for that purpose. I will
    > download a trial copy though, and check it out anyway.


    Please do check out the full working trial as you can modify the appearance
    quite heavily.
    See this page:
    http://www.infragistics.com/products...informsplf.asp
    and this
    http://www.infragistics.com/corporat...etwinforms.asp
    for details on what you can do with all of our winforms products.

    Try our peer-to-peer newsgroups
    http://www.infragistics.com/support/newsgroups.asp
    And use our support
    http://www.infragistics.com/support/supportcenter.asp
    if you have futher questions

    I'd also like to suggest that you compare our price of the NetAdvantage
    Suite with subscription which includes source.



  13. #13
    iGadget Guest

    Re: Developer Express tools - Wot no real demo?

    Ah-ha - I didn't find that page of info.
    I'll look into this further.

    Many thanks,
    iGadget

    "Tim Hitchings (Infragistics)" <productmanager@infragistics.com> wrote in
    message news:3db403ba$1@tnews.web.devx.com...
    > iGadget wrote:
    > >> I suggest you also look at the Infragistics NetAdvantage Suite.
    > >> http://www.infragistics.com
    > >> It has a tree control for win forms as well as a tree for ASP.NET.

    > >
    > > Thanks, I did indeed look at that one, but my requirements are for
    > > something that is heavily (and easily) visually customisable, and
    > > there is no mention of any event handling for that purpose. I will
    > > download a trial copy though, and check it out anyway.

    >
    > Please do check out the full working trial as you can modify the

    appearance
    > quite heavily.
    > See this page:
    > http://www.infragistics.com/products...informsplf.asp
    > and this
    > http://www.infragistics.com/corporat...etwinforms.asp
    > for details on what you can do with all of our winforms products.
    >
    > Try our peer-to-peer newsgroups
    > http://www.infragistics.com/support/newsgroups.asp
    > And use our support
    > http://www.infragistics.com/support/supportcenter.asp
    > if you have futher questions
    >
    > I'd also like to suggest that you compare our price of the NetAdvantage
    > Suite with subscription which includes source.
    >
    >




  14. #14
    John Butler Guest

    Re: Developer Express tools - Wot no real demo?


    "iGadget" <iGadget_@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:3db3339a$1@tnews.web.devx.com...

    > I need to do lots of modification to the visual display of the tree,

    adding
    > bracketing of sections of trees and custom images to individual nodes.
    > I know I could subclass the control and add all this functionality
    > eventually, but the DevExp control already has all of this functionality
    > implemented and has a nice set of optional input controls for numbers,
    > dates, memos etc. so I'd rather not reinherit the wheel (is this a new
    > saying?)
    >
    > Cheers,
    > iGadget


    Mike is trolling for reasons to lambast vb.net...he's not genuinely
    concerned about your problem. Are you Mike????

    rgds
    John Butler



  15. #15
    John Butler Guest

    Re: Developer Express tools - Wot no real demo?


    "Miha Markic" <miham@pleasenospam.spin.si> wrote in message
    news:3db3aaae@tnews.web.devx.com...
    > Hi,
    >
    > Developer Express (I am not an employee) offers 60 days unconditional

    money
    > back guarantee instead so you can test and return the product if you like.
    >
    > --
    > Miha Markic - DXSquad
    > www.dxsquad.com, www.spin.si/www/eng



    Not good enough...I would also like to demo something rather than buy and
    return it for a refund.... I know it is more schlepp to do a demo...but with
    DemoShield or something...it's not that hard! Experience has shown me once
    someone has my money, it's harder to get it back than to simply un-install a
    demo....even if it is the banks that mess up the transaction or whatever.
    I'm sure they're very good and all that...but a foreign credit card
    transaction could be messed up in many ways.

    Their compenents look interesting...but their ASP.NET stuff isn't there yet
    either, and no demo...so I've stayed away. Others probably have too...

    rgds
    John Butler



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