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  1. #16
    Miha Markic Guest

    Re: Developer Express tools - Wot no real demo?

    > Not good enough...I would also like to demo something rather than buy and
    > return it for a refund.... I know it is more schlepp to do a demo...but

    with
    > DemoShield or something...it's not that hard! Experience has shown me once
    > someone has my money, it's harder to get it back than to simply un-install

    a
    > demo....even if it is the banks that mess up the transaction or whatever.
    > I'm sure they're very good and all that...but a foreign credit card
    > transaction could be messed up in many ways.


    DevExpress has very good reputation, so I wouldn't worry for that part.

    > Their compenents look interesting...but their ASP.NET stuff isn't there

    yet
    > either, and no demo...so I've stayed away. Others probably have too...


    Just out of curiosity, what are you missing in ASP.NET?

    Miha



  2. #17
    Mike Mitchell Guest

    Re: Developer Express tools - Wot no real demo?

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2002 21:33:45 +0100, "John Butler"
    <nospamjrbutler@btinternet.com> wrote:

    >Mike is trolling for reasons to lambast vb.net...he's not genuinely
    >concerned about your problem. Are you Mike????


    Trolling is an American term. I am simply highlighting the throwaway
    nature of much of what comes "in the box" because it is just so much
    window dressing instead of the real McCoy. To get the real McCoy you
    often have to buy add-ons. My beef with the TreeView control is that
    it is so frustratingly obtuse! We often buy third party components
    because they come with decent help, or even (e.g. VideoSoft) printed
    user guides one can read on the bog. Often, too, those TP components
    are far easier to work with than standard controls. VideoSoft produced
    some of the best, price-effective tools around, and their support
    staff were always exemplary in wanting to assist. This kind of service
    is worth paying money for.

    Therefore, I was only expecting iGadget to confirm my thoughts here
    and I'm now additionally grateful to you for helping me to showcase
    the issue.

    MM

  3. #18
    Mike Mitchell Guest

    Re: Developer Express tools - Wot no real demo?

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2002 21:39:47 +0100, "John Butler"
    <nospamjrbutler@btinternet.com> wrote:

    >Their compenents look interesting...but their ASP.NET stuff isn't there yet
    >either, and no demo...so I've stayed away. Others probably have too...


    They could follow the example set by VideoSoft. That company's trial
    offer extended to all products without a time limit and the demo
    restriction only consisted in nag screens appearing. All other
    functionality was available and verifiable.

    MM

  4. #19
    rmeklo Guest

    Re: Developer Express tools - Wot no real demo?


    VideoSoft is gone, I think your whole message could be put in the past tense.

    We often buy third party components
    >because they come with decent help, or even (e.g. VideoSoft) printed
    >user guides one can read on the bog. Often, too, those TP components
    >are far easier to work with than standard controls.

    Which were often crippleware.

    VideoSoft produced
    >some of the best, price-effective tools around, and their support
    >staff were always exemplary in wanting to assist.

    No more.

    This kind of service
    >is worth paying money for.

    Good luck finding it in the future.

  5. #20
    iGadget Guest

    Re: Developer Express tools - Wot no real demo?

    To be honest, I played around the other day (like the complete .NET newbie
    that I am) and created a custom clock (yeah, boring digital, not analogue...
    yet) which showed the time in user definable format and even generated
    change events.
    It took me about 30mins in total, but showed that it was suprisingly easy to
    create simple addons, and since it's just a little DLL file that doesn't
    need registereing, it can be included with any app suprisingly easily.
    I _hope_ that companies will do this sort of thing for us in the future,
    taking very simple but useful requirements and publishing low cost
    solutions, as VideoSoft did in the past (and yes, I still have some of their
    products).
    I think Mabry are now the equivalent company, so I suppose we keep an eye on
    them to see what they produce.

    I find the tree controls in VB all a little awkward to work with, although I
    have to say that the VB.NET one seems a little easier because you can add or
    remove whole chunks of tree without the OCX version issue of adding or
    moving one node at a time.

    Having said that, the two control libraries I'm looking at simplify the
    process even more! I'll let you all know what I find.

    Cheers,
    iGadget

    "Mike Mitchell" <kylix_is@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
    news:ck7arusrsnue7lfbmu7brnlarmbatj92cm@4ax.com...
    > On Mon, 21 Oct 2002 21:33:45 +0100, "John Butler"
    > <nospamjrbutler@btinternet.com> wrote:
    >
    > >Mike is trolling for reasons to lambast vb.net...he's not genuinely
    > >concerned about your problem. Are you Mike????

    >
    > Trolling is an American term. I am simply highlighting the throwaway
    > nature of much of what comes "in the box" because it is just so much
    > window dressing instead of the real McCoy. To get the real McCoy you
    > often have to buy add-ons. My beef with the TreeView control is that
    > it is so frustratingly obtuse! We often buy third party components
    > because they come with decent help, or even (e.g. VideoSoft) printed
    > user guides one can read on the bog. Often, too, those TP components
    > are far easier to work with than standard controls. VideoSoft produced
    > some of the best, price-effective tools around, and their support
    > staff were always exemplary in wanting to assist. This kind of service
    > is worth paying money for.
    >
    > Therefore, I was only expecting iGadget to confirm my thoughts here
    > and I'm now additionally grateful to you for helping me to showcase
    > the issue.
    >
    > MM




  6. #21
    Mike Mitchell Guest

    Re: Developer Express tools - Wot no real demo?

    On 22 Oct 2002 05:44:21 -0700, "rmeklo" <rbmeklo@attbi.com> wrote:

    >VideoSoft is gone, I think your whole message could be put in the past tense.


    I used the name VideoSoft because it was the company from which we
    purchased software at the tme. Now I believe they are part of
    ComponentOne.

    MM

  7. #22
    John Butler Guest

    Re: Developer Express tools - Wot no real demo?


    "Miha Markic" <miham@pleasenospam.spin.si> wrote in message
    news:3db4f749$1@tnews.web.devx.com...
    > Just out of curiosity, what are you missing in ASP.NET?


    Not much really. I still believe ASP.NET is the best thing in the whole .NET
    stable. However, I'm always looking for components or tools that will make
    my life easier...since I try to focus on the end result. Sure, I could
    charge my customer to custom develop some enhanced thingummy , but if it
    already exists....then I'd rather save them the money and me the time.

    For example....try and iterate through the Microsoft Webtree and try find a
    particular node!....great fun. To find a Tree that allows you to effectively
    populate it and then find a particular node is a challenge...Which is where
    Infragistics, ComponentOne and others step in and do the job properly, not
    half-heartedly like MS.

    I'm not sure whether they (MS) do it on purpose, but they sure leave
    Jumbo-sized holes in functionality sometimes...which are only filled by
    Third pary vendors.

    Rgds
    John Butler



  8. #23
    Miha Markic Guest

    Re: Developer Express tools - Wot no real demo?

    Hi John,

    I thought you were referring to DevExpress's components with this statement
    "Their compenents look interesting...but their ASP.NET stuff isn't there
    yet"
    that is why I asked you what are you missing

    Miha



  9. #24
    Mike Mitchell Guest

    Re: Developer Express tools - Wot no real demo?

    On Wed, 23 Oct 2002 00:30:12 +0100, "John Butler"
    <nospamjrbutler@btinternet.com> wrote:

    >I'm not sure whether they (MS) do it on purpose, but they sure leave
    >Jumbo-sized holes in functionality sometimes...which are only filled by
    >Third pary vendors.


    I think they do it because they can't bear to be left out of anything.
    Like the guy who wanders up to the group clustered around the coffee
    machine or water cooler and just butts in, even though he hasn't a
    clue what anyone's talking about.

    They want to be seen to be participating. It's a mindset they've been
    locked into for years. That is why the "OS" is far more than an OS
    ever needs to be. But this dabbling with bits of gloss masquerading as
    functionality makes me wonder how much dabbling also goes on under the
    surface, allowing parts of the OS that matter to be signed off before
    they've really been done properly. Could be why Bill G is so keen on
    introducing trustworthiness to his coders, i.e. he knows just what
    goes on under the surface!

    MM

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