Re: Microsoft's C++ bigotry
"Paul Clement" <UseAdddressAtEndofMessage@swspectrum.com> wrote in message
> On Sun, 19 Jan 2003 19:03:06 -0000, "Jonathan West" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> ¤ "Phil Weber" <email@example.com> wrote in message
> ¤ news:firstname.lastname@example.org...
> ¤ > > No, no! We need to get Microsoft to admit it!
> ¤ >
> ¤ > Mike: That's actually why I wrote the piece that started this thread.
> ¤ > going to use what little influence I have to try to get MS to make the
> ¤ > VB6-to-VB.NET transition more similar to the VC++-to-MC++ transition:
> ¤ > Just Works."
> ¤ >
> ¤ > If MS won't do it, I think there's a market for a third-party
> ¤ > wizard that does a better job.
> ¤ Microsoft will do it, if they perceive that the following three
> ¤ are met
> ¤ 1. Sales & usage figures are bad for VB.NET
> ¤ 2. They believe this is having a significant negative impact on the
> ¤ of success for the .NET platform overall.
> ¤ 3. They believe fixing it will retrieve the situation.
> ¤ I don't have access to Microsoft's sales figures, but I have been
> ¤ eye on newsgroup volumes in the dotnet groups on the msnews server,
> ¤ probably serve as a reasonable indication of usage. The C# groups have
> ¤ 50% more traffic than the VB.NET groups. I once took a look at a sample
> ¤ the posts on the framework groups, to see which languages were being
> ¤ more there, and the same ratio seemed to hold.
> Of course you're assuming that more posts mean higher popularity. That's
> oversimplification. It could mean instead that more folks need help with
C# than VB.NET.
That's true - but its not going to make an order-of-magnitude difference, so
the approximation is good enough. I've seen figures which suggest there are
(roughly) 10 times as many VB6 users as VC++ users, so if migration rates
from VB6 to VB.NET were even remotely comparable to those of C+= to C#, we
should be seeing the VB.NET volumes completely swamping the C# volumes. It
In any case, even in the language groups, most of the questions involve the
use of the new elements in the framework, both for C# and VB.NET. Since the
framework is common to both, there's no particular reason to ascribe the
higher posting rate in the C# groups to the idea that C# is more difficult
to use. After all, other things being equal, C# ought to be *easier* to use
with the framework, since they were designed for each other.
> After all
> that is the purpose for posting a question in the first place. You have to
consider other factors.
> ASP.NET uses both VB.NET and C# so you may want to eval the posts there as
I already did. To +/- 10% or so, the ratio still holds (admittedly with a
fairly small sample, maybe a couple of hundred threads.)
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