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  1. #106
    Kunle Odutola Guest

    Re: What are the Advantages of VB.NET?

    Mike Mitchell wrote:
    > On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 22:31:35 -0000, "Kunle Odutola"
    > <kunle.odutola@REMOVETHISokocha.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
    >
    >> You'd have to define "cheerleader" before I can respond to this
    >> comment.

    >
    > Someone who is a bit of a girly and who likes showing her knickers?
    > That couldn't be you, Kunle, could it?


    You'd have to define "a bit of a girly" and "showing her knickers"...
    ;-)

    don kunle "alfresco" non porta i mutandoni
    --

  2. #107
    Paul Clement Guest

    Re: What are the Advantages of VB.NET?

    On Tue, 11 Feb 2003 12:55:48 -0000, "Kunle Odutola" <kunle.odutola@REMOVETHISokocha.freeserve.co.uk>
    wrote:

    Mike Mitchell wrote:
    > On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 22:31:35 -0000, "Kunle Odutola"
    > <kunle.odutola@REMOVETHISokocha.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
    >
    >> You'd have to define "cheerleader" before I can respond to this
    >> comment.
    >
    > Someone who is a bit of a girly and who likes showing her knickers?
    > That couldn't be you, Kunle, could it?

    You'd have to define "a bit of a girly" and "showing her knickers"...
    ;-)



    Now let's not encourage Mike to explain his hobbies. ;-)


    Paul ~~~ pclement@ameritech.net
    Microsoft MVP (Visual Basic)

  3. #108
    Paul Clement Guest

    Re: What are the Advantages of VB.NET?

    On 11 Feb 2003 06:27:14 -0800, "Kent" <kp@kp.org> wrote:


    Coupled with the fact that there really is no measurable advantage to using
    VB.Net over say C# one then logically will turn to the disadvantages associated
    with VB.Net and the history of VB. The information Dan provides is sound
    and reasonable to consider when thinking of making an investment in VB.Net.

    It makes perfect sense to have posted that link.


    It only makes sense if you assume that your "hypothetical" disadvantage with respect to history will
    inevitably come true. A single past experience doesn't serve as much of a valid predictor for what
    will happen in the future.


    Paul ~~~ pclement@ameritech.net
    Microsoft MVP (Visual Basic)

  4. #109
    Phil Weber Guest

    Re: What are the Advantages of VB.NET?

    > This "ranting" as you call it began long before VB.NET came to
    > be...It began with VB1 and quieted as 3rd party vendors provided
    > most of the "repair" of what was missing from the language. It
    > began again at VB4 with breaking of a fundamental datatype and
    > quieted as MS promised (and seemed to demonstrate with VB5)
    > that they "got it." Now this.


    Dan: So, can we expect you to "quiet" again as MS or third parties "repair"
    VB.NET? You've survived changes to the language for over a decade; why not
    conclude that you'll get through the latest round just as you have in the
    past?
    --
    Phil Weber


  5. #110
    Mike Mitchell Guest

    Re: What are the Advantages of VB.NET?

    On Tue, 11 Feb 2003 12:55:48 -0000, "Kunle Odutola"
    <kunle.odutola@REMOVETHISokocha.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

    >don kunle "alfresco" non porta i mutandoni


    Sorry, I don't speak Romanien.

    MM

  6. #111
    Mike Mitchell Guest

    Re: What are the Advantages of VB.NET?

    On Tue, 11 Feb 2003 13:15:17 -0600, Paul Clement
    <UseAdddressAtEndofMessage@swspectrum.com> wrote:

    >Now let's not encourage Mike to explain his hobbies. ;-)


    What? You don't like cheerleaders?!!

    MM

  7. #112
    Kunle Odutola Guest

    Re: What are the Advantages of VB.NET?

    Kent wrote:
    > Coupled with the fact that there really is no measurable advantage to
    > using VB.Net over say C#


    In your opinion. Not having to learn a substantially different language -
    for a VB dev - is one advantage. Better IDE support is another. VSA support
    from day one used to be another. VB's better support for late binding is
    another.....

    > one then logically will turn to the
    > disadvantages associated with VB.Net and the history of VB.


    Logically?. Your "fact" above is just an opinion.

    > The
    > information Dan provides is sound and reasonable to consider when
    > thinking of making an investment in VB.Net.


    In your opinion.

    > It makes perfect sense to have posted that link.


    Some semblance of an argument to support your opinions would be nice....

    Kunle


  8. #113
    Kent Guest

    Re: What are the Advantages of VB.NET?


    Then it is my opinion against yours then? How is your opinion any more valid
    than mine.

    As far as that goes, I doubt too many shops would choose VB.Net over say
    C# based on the reasons you provided. There used to be real advangages to
    using VB over C++. Those advantages are now gone because of the .NEt platform.

    It's the platform supid!

    "Kunle Odutola" <kunle.odutola@REMOVETHISokocha.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
    >Kent wrote:
    >> Coupled with the fact that there really is no measurable advantage to
    >> using VB.Net over say C#

    >
    >In your opinion. Not having to learn a substantially different language

    -
    >for a VB dev - is one advantage. Better IDE support is another. VSA support
    >from day one used to be another. VB's better support for late binding is
    >another.....
    >
    >> one then logically will turn to the
    >> disadvantages associated with VB.Net and the history of VB.

    >
    >Logically?. Your "fact" above is just an opinion.
    >
    >> The
    >> information Dan provides is sound and reasonable to consider when
    >> thinking of making an investment in VB.Net.

    >
    >In your opinion.
    >
    >> It makes perfect sense to have posted that link.

    >
    >Some semblance of an argument to support your opinions would be nice....
    >
    >Kunle
    >



  9. #114
    Patrick Troughton Guest

    Re: What are the Advantages of VB.NET?


    Hi Kent,

    Again, that argument goes both ways. There used to be real advangages to
    using C++ over VB. Those advantages are now gone because of the .NET platform.
    .NET levels the playing field. There is little or nothing you can do in C#
    that you can't do with VB.NET. Unlike C++ and VB6, there's really no measurable
    advantage to using C# over VB.NET. It all comes down to which syntax you
    prefer. If you prefer curly brackets and case-sensitivity, then use C#. If
    you prefer English-like keywords and case-insensitivity, then use VB.NET.

    /Pat
    --------------------------
    It's the platform, stupid.
    --------------------------

    "Kent" <kp@kp.org> wrote:
    >
    >Then it is my opinion against yours then? How is your opinion any more

    valid
    >than mine.
    >
    >As far as that goes, I doubt too many shops would choose VB.Net over say
    >C# based on the reasons you provided. There used to be real advangages

    to
    >using VB over C++. Those advantages are now gone because of the .NEt platform.
    >
    >It's the platform supid!



  10. #115
    Kent Guest

    Re: What are the Advantages of VB.NET?


    The .Net platform is the only place where VB.Net code has life. While this
    may be true of C# as well, C++ programmers can still do many lowlevel things
    that cannot be done on VB.Net. So the advantage of C++ lives on. Since
    C# is closer to C++ in syntax than VB.Net. The advantage clearly goes to
    C#. Also, Java developers will find C# much more familiar than VB.Net.

    The C style languages have a clear edge. The job market reflects this as
    well.

    "Patrick Troughton" <Patrick@Troughton.com> wrote:
    >
    >Hi Kent,
    >
    >Again, that argument goes both ways. There used to be real advangages to
    >using C++ over VB. Those advantages are now gone because of the .NET platform.
    >.NET levels the playing field. There is little or nothing you can do in

    C#
    >that you can't do with VB.NET. Unlike C++ and VB6, there's really no measurable
    >advantage to using C# over VB.NET. It all comes down to which syntax you
    >prefer. If you prefer curly brackets and case-sensitivity, then use C#.

    If
    >you prefer English-like keywords and case-insensitivity, then use VB.NET.
    >
    >/Pat
    >--------------------------
    >It's the platform, stupid.
    >--------------------------
    >
    >"Kent" <kp@kp.org> wrote:
    >>
    >>Then it is my opinion against yours then? How is your opinion any more

    >valid
    >>than mine.
    >>
    >>As far as that goes, I doubt too many shops would choose VB.Net over say
    >>C# based on the reasons you provided. There used to be real advangages

    >to
    >>using VB over C++. Those advantages are now gone because of the .NEt platform.
    >>
    >>It's the platform supid!

    >



  11. #116
    Kent Guest

    Re: What are the Advantages of VB.NET?


    I forgot to mention that C# and C++ are governed by standards organizations
    which to some of us has become very important.

    "Kent" <kp@kp.org> wrote:
    >
    >The .Net platform is the only place where VB.Net code has life. While this
    >may be true of C# as well, C++ programmers can still do many lowlevel things
    >that cannot be done on VB.Net. So the advantage of C++ lives on. Since
    >C# is closer to C++ in syntax than VB.Net. The advantage clearly goes to
    >C#. Also, Java developers will find C# much more familiar than VB.Net.
    >
    >The C style languages have a clear edge. The job market reflects this as
    >well.
    >
    >"Patrick Troughton" <Patrick@Troughton.com> wrote:
    >>
    >>Hi Kent,
    >>
    >>Again, that argument goes both ways. There used to be real advangages to
    >>using C++ over VB. Those advantages are now gone because of the .NET platform.
    >>.NET levels the playing field. There is little or nothing you can do in

    >C#
    >>that you can't do with VB.NET. Unlike C++ and VB6, there's really no measurable
    >>advantage to using C# over VB.NET. It all comes down to which syntax you
    >>prefer. If you prefer curly brackets and case-sensitivity, then use C#.

    >If
    >>you prefer English-like keywords and case-insensitivity, then use VB.NET.
    >>
    >>/Pat
    >>--------------------------
    >>It's the platform, stupid.
    >>--------------------------
    >>
    >>"Kent" <kp@kp.org> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>Then it is my opinion against yours then? How is your opinion any more

    >>valid
    >>>than mine.
    >>>
    >>>As far as that goes, I doubt too many shops would choose VB.Net over say
    >>>C# based on the reasons you provided. There used to be real advangages

    >>to
    >>>using VB over C++. Those advantages are now gone because of the .NEt platform.
    >>>
    >>>It's the platform supid!

    >>

    >



  12. #117
    Kent Guest

    Re: What are the Advantages of VB.NET?


    This makes it legit for me to say that there are no substantial advantages
    to using VB.Net over one of the other .Net languages. So Dan, myself and
    the others are vindicated.

    The disadvanges we point out then become the next logical question. Since
    there is no clear advantage, then what are the disadvantages?

    "Patrick Troughton" <Patrick@Troughton.com> wrote:
    >
    >Hi Kent,
    >
    >Again, that argument goes both ways. There used to be real advangages to
    >using C++ over VB. Those advantages are now gone because of the .NET platform.
    >.NET levels the playing field. There is little or nothing you can do in

    C#
    >that you can't do with VB.NET. Unlike C++ and VB6, there's really no measurable
    >advantage to using C# over VB.NET. It all comes down to which syntax you
    >prefer. If you prefer curly brackets and case-sensitivity, then use C#.

    If
    >you prefer English-like keywords and case-insensitivity, then use VB.NET.
    >
    >/Pat
    >--------------------------
    >It's the platform, stupid.
    >--------------------------
    >
    >"Kent" <kp@kp.org> wrote:
    >>
    >>Then it is my opinion against yours then? How is your opinion any more

    >valid
    >>than mine.
    >>
    >>As far as that goes, I doubt too many shops would choose VB.Net over say
    >>C# based on the reasons you provided. There used to be real advangages

    >to
    >>using VB over C++. Those advantages are now gone because of the .NEt platform.
    >>
    >>It's the platform supid!

    >



  13. #118
    Patrick Troughton Guest

    Re: What are the Advantages of VB.NET?


    Hi Kent,

    C++ programmers have always had an advantage over VB developers. My point
    was that on the .NET platform, the playing field has been leveled.

    /Pat
    --------------------------
    It's the platform, stupid.
    --------------------------

    "Kent" <kp@kp.org> wrote:
    >
    >The .Net platform is the only place where VB.Net code has life. While this
    >may be true of C# as well, C++ programmers can still do many lowlevel things
    >that cannot be done on VB.Net. So the advantage of C++ lives on. Since
    >C# is closer to C++ in syntax than VB.Net. The advantage clearly goes to
    >C#. Also, Java developers will find C# much more familiar than VB.Net.
    >
    >The C style languages have a clear edge. The job market reflects this as
    >well.
    >



  14. #119
    Patrick Troughton Guest

    Re: What are the Advantages of VB.NET?


    Hi Kent,

    "Kent" <kp@kp.org> wrote:
    >
    >This makes it legit for me to say that there are no substantial advantages
    >to using VB.Net over one of the other .Net languages.


    Aside from syntax, yes. As I said, .NET levels the playing field. The languages
    are 99.99999% identical in terms of capability and performance.

    >So Dan, myself and
    >the others are vindicated.


    Only in the sense that you're finally agreeing with a point that I've made
    for the last 3 years.

    >The disadvanges we point out then become the next logical question. Since
    >there is no clear advantage, then what are the disadvantages?


    It mostly comes down to syntax, which is a matter of personal preference.
    Personally, I've always liked BASIC syntax over other languages, such as
    C or COBOL. To me, I like With...End With blocks, Optional parameters, English-readable
    keywords andcase-insensitivity. If I moved to C#, I would lose all those
    features. But again, those are just my personal preferences. To other people,
    these issues may not make any difference to them. Pick whatever language(s)
    you feel most confortable with and go with it.

    /Pat
    --------------------------
    It's the platform, stupid.
    --------------------------

  15. #120
    Mark Jerde Guest

    Re: What are the Advantages of VB.NET?

    > C++ programmers have always had an advantage over VB developers.

    Having been the sole VB developer on a project with half a dozen VC++
    developers, those "advantages" include feature-free UIs (for the same level
    of effort) and buffer and pointer problems.

    -- Mark




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