TNX Rob - Re: Security of non-server code?

[Jason Bock]

"Ronald Laeremans [MSFT]" <ronlaere@microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:3ae48873$1@news.devx.com...
> Hi Karl,
>
> If you are talking about Exemplar, I think the author would be a bit
> dismayed about your comments on his work. It requires quite a bit of skill
> and decidedly more than one Saturday afternoon to get to the stage
Exemplar
> is in.

Cite? I'm interested in seeing this tool, but where is it?

Thanks,

Jason

[Patrick Steele]

In article <3ae488df$1@news.devx.com> (from Jason Bock
<jrbock@removethis.execpc.com>),

> Cite? I'm interested in seeing this tool, but where is it?

http://discuss.develop.com/archives/...OTNET&P=R16085

--
Patrick Steele
(psteele@ipdsolution.com)
Lead Software Architect
Image Process Design

[Karl E. Peterson]

Hi Ronald --

Yeah, shoot me, I exaggerated a bit. <g> I respect Jay's work very much, but it
clearly shows this is a far easier task than source recovery used to be. I'm sure
he's said as much, himself. That such a tool shows up midway through a beta1 cycle
says a lot, IMO.

Later... Karl
--
http://www.mvps.org/vb


"Ronald Laeremans [MSFT]" <ronlaere@microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:3ae48873$1@news.devx.com...
> Hi Karl,
>
> If you are talking about Exemplar, I think the author would be a bit
> dismayed about your comments on his work. It requires quite a bit of skill
> and decidedly more than one Saturday afternoon to get to the stage Exemplar
> is in.
>
> -Ronald-
>
> "Karl E. Peterson" <karl@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:3ae476e5$1@news.devx.com...
> > Hi Jeff --
> >
> > > Out of curiosity, exactly what benefit do you see to distributing a
> version
> > > using an x86 instruction set here?
> >
> > Well, just offhand, I've yet to see an ASM-->VB conversion tool. (And no
> one would
> > suggest that there wouldn't be *quite* a market for one, right?) Yet I
> did see an
> > IL-->C# conversion tool, rigged up by one guy on a Saturday afternoon.
> >
> > Hmmmm... Karl
> > --
> > http://www.mvps.org/vb
> >
> >
>
>

[Jeff Peil]

"Karl E. Peterson" <karl@mvps.org> wrote in message
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>
> Well, just offhand, I've yet to see an ASM-->VB conversion tool. (And no
one would
> suggest that there wouldn't be *quite* a market for one, right?) Yet I
did see an
> IL-->C# conversion tool, rigged up by one guy on a Saturday afternoon.
>
> Hmmmm... Karl

Karl,

You really misrepresent my position with that quote. Specifically you
trimmed "The metadata can't be eliminated (as things like Reflection and the
GC require it), do you think that metadata rich x86 code is magically much
more difficult to reverse engineer than MSIL (it's not.)"

VB6 does *not* include the level of metadata that .NET does in the resulting
binary images.

As more metadata is included the task of reverse engineering becomes easier
both by hand, and to automate. The metadata is more of a problem than the
instruction set.

[Karl E. Peterson]

Hi Jeff --

> VB6 does *not* include the level of metadata that .NET does in the resulting
> binary images.

Right. :-)

Thanks... Karl
--
http://www.mvps.org/vb