
Re: Math People  Help!
Ian 
"Ian Post" <SpamFree@TheWay.ToBe> wrote in message
news:3a436ace$1@news.devx.com...
> Matt:
> If you are doing any coding of logic and problem solving (90% of
> programming), yes. If all you are doing is UI design and database
> readwrite, then you can get by without it, but I'd never hire someone
that
> limited.
Hey, define logic for me, just so I can find out if were on the same page.
> You don't know very many good coders, IMHO, if the best one you know
> couldn't solve the chicken problem.
***? You don't even know who I'm talking about, nor have you ever seen any
of their code!!! How can you sit there and make such an ignorant,
presumptious statement!?!
> OK, here's one for you: Write an application to solve the chicken problem.
> How would you do that if you do not know how yourself?
Yeah, that's a realistic VB application!
Write an app to provide cost estimating on construction projects,
> giving the user options based on current prices of product and the most
> costeffective manner of completing the project. How could you do that
> without these types of basic math skills?
You do *not* need to know algebra to do that, basic math skills yes, but not
algebra!

Re: Math People  Help!
1. Have you graduated high school? If so, in what state/country? Do they
grant diplomas for students without any algebra classes?
2. The question wasn't to test your math skills so much as your
problemsolving skills. Problems like the one they gave you come up *all
the time* in realworld programming. If you plan to stay in this field, you
need to be able to answer that kind of question relatively quickly.

Lenny
__________
"Matt Markus" <matt_markus@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3a4260d6@news.devx.com...
Can you explain, in plain words, what that is doing? I really haven't had
any algebra classes, and, as a result, don't understand that too well.

Re: Math People  Help!
Hi Lenny 
"Lenny Toulson" <ltoulson@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:3a43724f$1@news.devx.com...
> 1. Have you graduated high school? If so, in what state/country? Do they
> grant diplomas for students without any algebra classes?
>
> 2. The question wasn't to test your math skills so much as your
OF COURSE IT WAS!!!!! I certainly wasn't to test my VB skills!!!!!!
With all due respect, sir, you sound like a complete idiot by saying that.
I'm telling you, right now, as I sit here, that I personally know people
that are very successful programmers, who make a lot of money, have proven
themeselves time and time again and *CANNOT* solve that algebra
prolbem!!!!!!!! DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS?????? IT IS POSSIBLE! Why is it
possible? BECAUSE I HAVE PROOF!!!!!
God, you sound like completely narrowminded fool by making such statements.
<****>

Re: Math People  Help!
Hey, people
Matt already has been heart with this algebra question and his original post
was about how to solve the problem.
But discussion turned out in the direction whether to study or not.
If somebody knows good algebra web site (with good explanations), please
post it's address
Alex
"Lenny Toulson" <ltoulson@nospam.net> wrote:
>1. Have you graduated high school? If so, in what state/country? Do they
>grant diplomas for students without any algebra classes?
>
>2. The question wasn't to test your math skills so much as your
>problemsolving skills. Problems like the one they gave you come up *all
>the time* in realworld programming. If you plan to stay in this field,
you
>need to be able to answer that kind of question relatively quickly.
>
>
>Lenny
>__________
>
>
>"Matt Markus" <matt_markus@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:3a4260d6@news.devx.com...
>
>Can you explain, in plain words, what that is doing? I really haven't had
>any algebra classes, and, as a result, don't understand that too well.
>
>
>
>
>

Re: Math People  Help!
Really? I ask again: Are you still in school?

Lenny
__________
"Matt Markus" <matt_markus@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3a4379c5$1@news.devx.com...
OF COURSE IT WAS!!!!! I certainly wasn't to test my VB skills!!!!!!
With all due respect, sir, you sound like a complete idiot by saying that.
I'm telling you, right now, as I sit here, that I personally know people
that are very successful programmers, who make a lot of money, have proven
themeselves time and time again and *CANNOT* solve that algebra
prolbem!!!!!!!! DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS?????? IT IS POSSIBLE! Why is it
possible? BECAUSE I HAVE PROOF!!!!!
God, you sound like completely narrowminded fool by making such statements.
<****>

Re: Math People  Help!
If Matt would wake up he'd realize we're not harping on his algebra skills
but his apparent lack of problemsolving skills. VB is *not* simply
dragging a couple data controls on a form and pointing them to a database.
Realworld programming  even in VB  requires problem solving skills such
as those required to answer the question posed to him in the interview.
*He* is the one blasting to the world that math is completely irrelevant to
"good programmers." That question would be valid in any number of
professions.
If he's that sensitive about his math skills, perhaps he can visit
www.google.com to find a good algebra web site.

Lenny
__________
"Alex" <AlexanderBirman@Yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3a437bc8$1@news.devx.com...
Matt already has been heart with this algebra question and his original post
was about how to solve the problem.
But discussion turned out in the direction whether to study or not.

Re: Math People  Help!
Ian 
Consider this for a moment...
I've been developing software for over 5 years and have MCSD certification.
I didn't go to college, so the only algebra I've been *taught* was around
10 years ago in high school. I've learned all my programming skills through
on the job experience, books, magazines, newsgroups, vb and asp related web
sites, and pushing myself by coding on my personal time and learning new
things.
I am a very accomplished programmer, and have received recognition from every
employer I've worked for. I require no supervision and can complete all
aspects of the software development life cycle on my own (Design, Data Modeling,
Coding, Testing, Implementation) I am confident that I can develop a solution
for any business need, and have proven that to myself and my employers time
and again.
My current employer pays me $90,000/year
I've *never* (in over 5 years) had any need to use an algebraic equation,
such as the one discussed here. I use adding, subtracting, multiplying,
dividing, exponents, and percentages on a regular basis.
I can tell you (as well as many others) that if I was not offered a VB/ASP
software development job because I have forgotten basic algebra, the potential
employer would have made big mistake.
How do you explain my success ?
"Ian Post" <SpamFree@TheWay.ToBe> wrote:
>Matt:
>
>> Interesting notions for a presumably "logical" group of programmers...
>>
>> So let me get this straight, for the record: "one *needs* to be know
>algebra
>> in order to be a productive VB Programmer"?
>
>If you are doing any coding of logic and problem solving (90% of
>programming), yes. If all you are doing is UI design and database
>readwrite, then you can get by without it, but I'd never hire someone that
>limited.
>
>> That's insane. I have living
>> examples here, all around me, of people who are proficient programmers
but
>> could *not* solve that problem; either because they never had algebra
in
>the
>> first place, or have just forgotten it. In fact, one of the best coders
I
>> know couldn't solve that problem. So explain that paradox, oh supreme
>> logical ones.
>
>You don't know very many good coders, IMHO, if the best one you know
>couldn't solve the chicken problem. From my experience, the best coders
I
>know actually enjoy math and problem solving to the point where Dr. Eco's
>problems are too easy for them.
>
>> I actually kind of regret bringing this up, now that some of you are going
>> to force potential employees to abandon their focus on programming to
take
>> some crash course in Algebra at the local community college, not because
>> they need to be a better programmer, but merely to get through the
>> interview!?! Why don't you ask them to write a little application, or
>even
>> just a procedure instead? Have them code something for God's sake!
>
>OK, here's one for you: Write an application to solve the chicken problem.
>How would you do that if you do not know how yourself? Or to be more
>general: Write an app to provide cost estimating on construction projects,
>giving the user options based on current prices of product and the most
>costeffective manner of completing the project. How could you do that
>without these types of basic math skills?
>
>As an aside, we've gone a little off the topic of VB specific issues here.
>This conversation might be more appropriately held in the off ramp
>(subscribe to off.ramp on news.devx.com). Up to you, of course.
>
>Ian
>
>

Re: Math People  Help!
Matt,
here is simple VB proceure which would solve teh Motehr Daughter problem,
with necessarily resoting to Algebra:
Dim Mother as Integer
Dim Daughter as Integer
for Daughter = 1 to 100
Mother = 4 * Daughter
if (Mother + 20) = 2 * (Daughter + 20) then
Debug.Print Daughter, Mother
Exit For
end if
next Daughter
Sure, this would get the right answer, and to some it would appear to be
"elegant" code. But IT WQOULD BE EXTRODINARILY INEFFICIENT code. By knowing
the necessary lagebra, more often than not, you will be capable of wiriting
not only elegant code, but efficient code as well. Without the Algebra (obviously
not required) your code may be very elegant, but I doubt if will ever be
very efficient.
Just my humble opinion.
Arthur Wood
"Matt Markus" <matt_markus@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Eric D. Burdo" <vbtips@redleif.com> wrote in message
>news:3a435958$1@news.devx.com...
>> Hehe... I remember that one. It was in an old Role playing book I had.
>You had to answer
>> the question before you could get this guy to help you out...
>>
>> Kinda fun...
>>
>> 
>>
>> Eric D. Burdo, RedLeif International
>> VB Programmer and Consultant
>> <http://www.redleif.com/vb>
>>
>> *** Please reply to the newsgroup so all can benefit. ***
>>
>>
>> "Ian Post" <SpamFree@TheWay.ToBe> wrote in message
>news:3a428d8f@news.devx.com...
>> > <matt>
>> > > I know, and I appreciate your explanation. But it *was* asked in an
>> > > interview for a VB Programmer position. Do you, or anyone here, think
>> > that's
>> > > a relevent, or even appropriate question for such an interview?
>> > </matt>
>> >
>> > Extremely relevant. Programming requires problem solving, conversion
of
>a
>> > realworld situation into an algorythm. ****, that's not what
>programming
>> > requires, that's what it is.
>> >
>> > Over on the Off Ramp, another similar question from an interview was
>posted
>> > (By Nancy Folsom, I think)... it gets you on math and logic:
>> >
>> > Q: Statistically, if 1 1/2 chickens lay 1 1/2 eggs in 1 1/2 days, how
>many
>> > days does it take one chicken to lay a dozen eggs?
>> >
>> > If I ever interview programmers again (currently consulting freelance),
>I
>> > will definately use this one.
>> >
>> > Ian
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
>Interesting notions for a presumably "logical" group of programmers...
>
>So let me get this straight, for the record: "one *needs* to be know algebra
>in order to be a productive VB Programmer"? That's insane. I have living
>examples here, all around me, of people who are proficient programmers but
>could *not* solve that problem; either because they never had algebra in
the
>first place, or have just forgotten it. In fact, one of the best coders
I
>know couldn't solve that problem. So explain that paradox, oh supreme
>logical ones.
>
>I actually kind of regret bringing this up, now that some of you are going
>to force potential employees to abandon their focus on programming to take
>some crash course in Algebra at the local community college, not because
>they need to be a better programmer, but merely to get through the
>interview!?! Why don't you ask them to write a little application, or even
>just a procedure instead? Have them code something for God's sake!
>
>Yeah, next time I interview a developer I'm going to bust out the legos
and
>tell them to build me a space station. Hey, that's requires problem solving!
>
>
>

Re: Math People  Help!
Matt,
Programming is based on Math, general and advanced. The nice thing about
VB is most of the advanced math is done for you by Microsoft. You are right
though, a coder can write excellent programs without the need for advance
math in VB. Normally because the math equations are done by the developer
who designed the software and not the coder. I don't think anyone here is
putting you down, just stressing a point. Yes you can write and develop
excellent programs without any math. But there will come a time in your
programming career that will require you to know general and advance math
skills for a project. If a company asked you a interview question like the
one you were asked, is only because they want to judge your ablity to solve
a problem on your own and not just the math itself. It's not a bad thing
that you had trouble with the math part of that question, but in turn its
not a good thing either. The one thing that I have learned over the years,
is that programming is not just about writing good software applications,
its about advancing yourself to your fullest ablity. You should take your
ledge of having some problems with algebra and take time to learn. Every
new project brings a new problem which needs to be solved. If you want to
be an amazing programmer you need to have the want to learn as must as you
can. Some projects require it. To give you an example. I am going to be
working on a data ware house type project. I need to goto the libery to
find out some information on the most common ways of running Business. Now
sure if I have degree in business it would be easier, but it gives me the
opertunity to learn something more and advance my knowledge and ablity.
Happy Holidays
Duane...
"Matt Markus" <matt_markus@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Ian 
>
>
>"Ian Post" <SpamFree@TheWay.ToBe> wrote in message
>news:3a436ace$1@news.devx.com...
>> Matt:
>> If you are doing any coding of logic and problem solving (90% of
>> programming), yes. If all you are doing is UI design and database
>> readwrite, then you can get by without it, but I'd never hire someone
>that
>> limited.
>
>Hey, define logic for me, just so I can find out if were on the same page.
>
>
>> You don't know very many good coders, IMHO, if the best one you know
>> couldn't solve the chicken problem.
>
>
>***? You don't even know who I'm talking about, nor have you ever seen
any
>of their code!!! How can you sit there and make such an ignorant,
>presumptious statement!?!
>
>> OK, here's one for you: Write an application to solve the chicken problem.
>> How would you do that if you do not know how yourself?
>
>Yeah, that's a realistic VB application!
>
>Write an app to provide cost estimating on construction projects,
>> giving the user options based on current prices of product and the most
>> costeffective manner of completing the project. How could you do that
>> without these types of basic math skills?
>
>You do *not* need to know algebra to do that, basic math skills yes, but
not
>algebra!
>
>
>
>

Re: Math People  Help!
Lenny I'm giving you the same response I gave to Ian.
Consider this for a moment...
I've been developing software for over 5 years and have MCSD certification.
I didn't go to college, so the only algebra I've been *taught* was around
10 years ago in high school. I've learned all my programming skills through
on the job experience, books, magazines, newsgroups, vb and asp related web
sites, and pushing myself by coding on my personal time and learning new
things.
I am a very accomplished programmer, and have received recognition from every
employer I've worked for. I require no supervision and can complete all
aspects of the software development life cycle on my own (Design, Data Modeling,
Coding, Testing, Implementation) I am confident that I can develop a solution
for any business need, and have proven that to myself and my employers time
and again.
My current employer pays me $90,000/year
I've *never* (in over 5 years) had any need to use an algebraic equation,
such as the one discussed here. I use adding, subtracting, multiplying,
dividing, exponents, and percentages on a regular basis.
I can tell you (as well as many others) that if I was not offered a VB/ASP
software development job because I have forgotten basic algebra, the potential
employer would have made big mistake.
How do you explain my success ?
btw  I totally agree with you regarding the problem solving. That is one
of my greatest qualities as a programmer. IMO, programming *is* problem
solving, I solve problems everday. I still can't write that algebra equation,
though...
"Lenny Toulson" <ltoulson@nospam.net> wrote:
>If Matt would wake up he'd realize we're not harping on his algebra skills
>but his apparent lack of problemsolving skills. VB is *not* simply
>dragging a couple data controls on a form and pointing them to a database.
>Realworld programming  even in VB  requires problem solving skills such
>as those required to answer the question posed to him in the interview.
>*He* is the one blasting to the world that math is completely irrelevant
to
>"good programmers." That question would be valid in any number of
>professions.
>
>If he's that sensitive about his math skills, perhaps he can visit
>www.google.com to find a good algebra web site.
>
>
>Lenny
>__________
>
>
>"Alex" <AlexanderBirman@Yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:3a437bc8$1@news.devx.com...
>
>Matt already has been heart with this algebra question and his original
post
>was about how to solve the problem.
>
>But discussion turned out in the direction whether to study or not.
>
>

Re: Math People  Help!
I agree with you.
However, someone in a previous post said that they would not hire someone
based on that question alone. That, to me, is absurd.
I'm sure you'd have been furious if you weren't able to work on your project
because you didn't have a business degree.
"Duane Snelling" <dsnelling@msc.ca> wrote:
>
>Matt,
>Programming is based on Math, general and advanced. The nice thing about
>VB is most of the advanced math is done for you by Microsoft. You are right
>though, a coder can write excellent programs without the need for advance
>math in VB. Normally because the math equations are done by the developer
>who designed the software and not the coder. I don't think anyone here
is
>putting you down, just stressing a point. Yes you can write and develop
>excellent programs without any math. But there will come a time in your
>programming career that will require you to know general and advance math
>skills for a project. If a company asked you a interview question like
the
>one you were asked, is only because they want to judge your ablity to solve
>a problem on your own and not just the math itself. It's not a bad thing
>that you had trouble with the math part of that question, but in turn its
>not a good thing either. The one thing that I have learned over the years,
>is that programming is not just about writing good software applications,
>its about advancing yourself to your fullest ablity. You should take your
>ledge of having some problems with algebra and take time to learn. Every
>new project brings a new problem which needs to be solved. If you want
to
>be an amazing programmer you need to have the want to learn as must as you
>can. Some projects require it. To give you an example. I am going to be
>working on a data ware house type project. I need to goto the libery to
>find out some information on the most common ways of running Business.
Now
>sure if I have degree in business it would be easier, but it gives me the
>opertunity to learn something more and advance my knowledge and ablity.
>
>Happy Holidays
>Duane...
>
>"Matt Markus" <matt_markus@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>Ian 
>>
>>
>>"Ian Post" <SpamFree@TheWay.ToBe> wrote in message
>>news:3a436ace$1@news.devx.com...
>>> Matt:
>>> If you are doing any coding of logic and problem solving (90% of
>>> programming), yes. If all you are doing is UI design and database
>>> readwrite, then you can get by without it, but I'd never hire someone
>>that
>>> limited.
>>
>>Hey, define logic for me, just so I can find out if were on the same page.
>>
>>
>>> You don't know very many good coders, IMHO, if the best one you know
>>> couldn't solve the chicken problem.
>>
>>
>>***? You don't even know who I'm talking about, nor have you ever seen
>any
>>of their code!!! How can you sit there and make such an ignorant,
>>presumptious statement!?!
>>
>>> OK, here's one for you: Write an application to solve the chicken problem.
>>> How would you do that if you do not know how yourself?
>>
>>Yeah, that's a realistic VB application!
>>
>>Write an app to provide cost estimating on construction projects,
>>> giving the user options based on current prices of product and the most
>>> costeffective manner of completing the project. How could you do that
>>> without these types of basic math skills?
>>
>>You do *not* need to know algebra to do that, basic math skills yes, but
>not
>>algebra!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: Math People  Help!
I have no college degree and am a selftaught programmer, too. Your success
is probably based on the same thing(s) mine is: tenacity, perseverance, good
client interaction skills, and an ability to solve problems.
The question asked him was not algebra. Just because it can be expressed in
algebraic terms does not mean it has to be. You could use a brute force
method of checking all integer values to find the right answer, but it's not
as elegant or efficient as the algebraic method.
I couldn't care less that Matt doesn't have any algebra experience. (I will
admit a high degree of surprise for any high school granting a diploma
without the student having *some* algebra, though.) But I think he's way
off base in claiming the question was irrelevant to the position.

Lenny
__________
"Brian Patrick" <bpatrick100@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3a438167$1@news.devx.com...
I didn't go to college, so the only algebra I've been *taught* was around
10 years ago in high school. I've learned all my programming skills through
on the job experience, books, magazines, newsgroups, vb and asp related web
sites, and pushing myself by coding on my personal time and learning new
things.
How do you explain my success ?
btw  I totally agree with you regarding the problem solving. That is one
of my greatest qualities as a programmer. IMO, programming *is* problem
solving, I solve problems everday. I still can't write that algebra
equation,
though...

Re: Math People  Help!
Brian Patrick <bpatrick100@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3a437dbf$1@news.devx.com...
<snip>
> I've *never* (in over 5 years) had any need to use an algebraic equation,
> such as the one discussed here. I use adding, subtracting, multiplying,
> dividing, exponents, and percentages on a regular basis.
What kind of software do you design? There's a difference between someone
who designs financial software, and someone who does a shopping website.
(Personally, I've almost always done financial software, and the amount of
math that's required is staggering. I've yet to use calculus, but other
than that...)
> I can tell you (as well as many others) that if I was not offered a VB/ASP
> software development job because I have forgotten basic algebra, the
potential
> employer would have made big mistake.
Basic algebra is taught in the 8th grade. (Might be 9th, now). Would you
similarly say, "...that if I was not offered a VB/ASP software development
job because I have forgotten basic English and grammer..."?
> How do you explain my success ?
Well, let's take problems in the mother/daughter vein.
Can you answer the following questions:
* The one original posted about the mother/daughter?
* If an account will accrue 8% interest per year, what amount of money will
I need to invest to have $200,000 in 10 years?
* If a given stock had a median value of $10 in January, $15 in February,
$26 in March, $24 in April, $18 in May, and $14 in June, what was it's
median value for the half?
* I have a choice of investing $!0,000: I can invest the $10,000 in a
portfolio that is guaranteed to return 4%, or I can invest it in a portfolio
that has an 80% chance of returning 7%, a 10% chance of returning nothing,
and a 10% chance of losing 4%. Statistically, which is the better option?
If you can, congratulations: you remember basic algebra. If you can't, I'd
have to say that the chances you could work at my present company would be
slim.

Colin McGuigan

Re: Math People  Help!
I almost hesitate to wade in here as you are becoming somewhat defensive
over this issue. However ... is a knowledge of algebra *necessary* in order
to write programs which perform well ... no, it is not required. Is it
desirable though ... yes, *highly*. Why? Let's look at it from a employer's
standpoint.
An employer hires you to write code for projects which will come up in the
future. Some of these will be nonmathematically based and a lack of skill
in algebra won't matter. Others, however, will need the same innate
understanding of mathematical concepts that algebra requires. As the
employer, how will you be able to help me? Sure, eventually, you might be
able to "work around" this deficiency in algebra and produce a code solution
for this second type of project, but at what cost? Time! And to an employer,
time is money. Someone familiar with handling these concepts, on the other
hand, will probably be able to zero in on a solution in a relatively short
period of time. That person would be worth more to me as an employee than
someone who doesn't possess this particular skillset. Since I don't want to
find out later, after I've hired you, that you will not be able to produce
efficiently for me in certain areas that I anticipate getting into, I'll try
to weed you out during an initial interview. It's for this reason that I
think the algebra question was asked.
Most people in school look at a class they are taking as something that has
to be completed. However, I've found that each class I took prepared me in
some way for a next class I took or, more importantly, for a lifeskill that
proved handy to possess. Each subject I took back when I was in school added
to a foundation which the next subject assumed I had and progressed based on
that assumption. When I had completed my formal education (one *never*
actually stops learning), I found that the sum of all I had learned in
school provided the foundation upon which my life was to be based. I was
able to participate in conversations, offer useful ideas in meetings, etc.
all based on the knowledge I had acquired in school. And one never knows in
advance how a particular subject will help him/her later on in school or
life; so the best strategy to follow is to do all that you can to master
each subject taken, in anticipation that it will prove useful down the line.
When I was in high school (1960 to 1963), I took a course in typing. At that
time, typing was something future secretaries took. And, yes, my friends
made fun of me. However, I expected to go to college and thought typing
would be useful for writing reports  which it did. (Remember, this was a
time *before* word processors where the original was typed directly onto
paper.) As useful as knowing how to type was in college, it turned out to be
*far* more useful to me when I got started in computers (back in the early
1980's). I was rusty, but I did know how to type and my speed came back to
me quickly. And that gave me a leg up on others coming into the computer
field with me. I never imagined that I would ever use my typing after
college  who would have thought!
The point of the above ... do whatever you can to master each subject you
take. You may think it is just something to get out of the way, but it may
in fact turn out to be the most useful thing you know.
Rick
"Matt Markus" <matt_markus@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3a43703c$3@news.devx.com...
> Ian 
>
>
> "Ian Post" <SpamFree@TheWay.ToBe> wrote in message
> news:3a436ace$1@news.devx.com...
> > Matt:
> > If you are doing any coding of logic and problem solving (90% of
> > programming), yes. If all you are doing is UI design and database
> > readwrite, then you can get by without it, but I'd never hire someone
> that
> > limited.
>
> Hey, define logic for me, just so I can find out if were on the same page.
>
>
> > You don't know very many good coders, IMHO, if the best one you know
> > couldn't solve the chicken problem.
>
>
> ***? You don't even know who I'm talking about, nor have you ever seen
any
> of their code!!! How can you sit there and make such an ignorant,
> presumptious statement!?!
>
> > OK, here's one for you: Write an application to solve the chicken
problem.
> > How would you do that if you do not know how yourself?
>
> Yeah, that's a realistic VB application!
>
> Write an app to provide cost estimating on construction projects,
> > giving the user options based on current prices of product and the most
> > costeffective manner of completing the project. How could you do that
> > without these types of basic math skills?
>
> You do *not* need to know algebra to do that, basic math skills yes, but
not
> algebra!
>
>
>
>

Re: Math People  Help!
Matt Markus <matt_markus@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3a43703c$3@news.devx.com...
> ***? You don't even know who I'm talking about, nor have you ever seen
any
> of their code!!! How can you sit there and make such an ignorant,
> presumptious statement!?!
Well, I don't know about Ian, but that was a _very_ simple problem. I had
similar problems when I was in 8th grade (this would've been when I was 13).
If you're saying that the best programmer you work with can't solve an
8thgrade level math problem, that would make me wonder as well.
As for math and logic...the two go hand in hand. Even without the algebraic
technique of subtracting equations, someone who is good at logic would read
the problem and say:
"The mother is four times as old as the daughter. In twenty years, the
mother will only be twice as old as the daughter. Weeeell...logically,
that means that twenty years is twice the daughters age now (four times 
two times = two times, or twice). So the daughter's ten, the mother's
forty."
That didn't require any algebra at all, really.
> Yeah, that's a realistic VB application!
Sure it is. The chicken problem gives you a rate of production, and then
asks you how much will be produced assuming x resources and y time.
Rephrase the question as "If 1 1/2 workers can process 1 1/2 orders in 1 1/2
minutes, how many minutes will it take 1 worker to process 12 orders?", and
I think it's obvious you could have a VB app that would need to do time
management to figure out a worker's schedule. Or how fast a printer can
print brochures. Etc. Etc.

Colin McGuigan
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