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  1. #76
    Phil Weber Guest

    Re: Math People - Help!

    > "Yes, maths does matter."

    So do English. ;-)
    ---
    Phil Weber



  2. #77
    Arthur Wood Guest

    Re: Math People - Help!


    Phil,
    I believe that Travis is from Europe (England?) and over there the general
    subject is termed "Maths", but is treated as a singular noun. So his English
    (Queen's English) is quite correct. Remember, we here in the colonies speak
    a bastardized version of the Mother Tongue (LOL).

    Arthur Wood


    "Phil Weber" <pweber@devx.com> wrote:
    > > "Yes, maths does matter."

    >
    >So do English. ;-)
    >---
    >Phil Weber
    >
    >



  3. #78
    Roy Guest

    Re: Math People - Help!


    "Travis Hall" <hallt@qst.newsltd.com.au> wrote:
    >
    >"Matt Markus" <matt_markus@hotmail.com> wrote:
    >>
    >>But if I was crossed off because I forgot algebra, that, obviously, is

    where
    >>my quarrels lay. Iíll tell ya what really got me hot though: when someone
    >>implies that me, or anyone else for that matter, has *no* chance of being
    >>a good programmer until they go out and learn algebra.

    >
    >I haven't seen anybody say that, as I already commented. What has been
    >said is, a programmer will be generally better if he understands basic maths.
    >(And yes, low-level algebra is basic maths.)
    >
    >>That kind of talk can discourage a lot of potential programmers.

    >
    >Or alternatively could encourage a lot of potential programmers to pay
    >attention in their high school maths classes. As a maths tutor, I used
    >to hear the same objections from students all the time: "This won't really
    >matter when I leave school". When I told the students that yes, it would
    >matter, and gave them the reasons why, they listened, and they learned
    >what they should have been learning. Not once did I have a student
    >abandon their plans for the future just because they had to learn a bit
    >of maths, no matter how hard they had been finding it.
    >
    >>And it's no surprise that
    >>the people on here making such absolute statements seem to have massively
    >>inflated ego's - such that they have find it very hard to muster up any

    >sort
    >>of compassion for the inexperienced.

    >
    >Sometimes, it is more compassionate to tell the inexperienced what they

    really
    >should know. In this case, that means saying, "Yes, maths does matter".
    >
    >>FYI: I was offered the job despite my mathematical shortcomings. I know

    >you're
    >>all very proud. :-)

    >
    >Congratulations. However, consider for a moment what would have happened
    >if
    >another one of the candidates had the same qualifications and experience
    >as
    >you, and was just as charming in the interview, but could also solve simple
    >maths
    >problems such as the one you presented. Don't you think that person would
    >have
    >been offered the job instead of you? And wouldn't the interviewer have been
    >correct to do so?
    >
    >Frankly, if a job candidate not only failed to fulfill the selection criteria
    >for a job,
    >but tried to tell me he shouldn't even be trying to meet them, I certainly
    >would not hire that person. I bet you didn't raise the questions you have
    >raised
    >here when you were with the interviewer, right? Why don't you go back and
    >ask
    >your new boss whether maths skills might be useful during your employment
    >there.
    >
    >Travis Hall



    I agree with you Travis and I may add a few more frases but it's useless.
    One philosopher once said: "If your opponent doesn't want to understand you
    - it's time to end your conversation." Opponent, of course, is Matt Markus
    and he doesn't seem to understand what's this all about. So, I believe it
    is a TIME to end this topic.

    Regards,
    Roy

  4. #79
    Roy Guest

    Re: Math People - Help!


    "Phil Weber" <pweber@devx.com> wrote:
    > > "Yes, maths does matter."

    >
    >So do English. ;-)
    >---
    >Phil Weber
    >
    >

    Mr Weber,
    Maths or Math doesn't really matter as long as you understand general idea
    - tha's what does matter. Obviously didn't expect this kind of a respond
    from you sir.

    Roy

  5. #80
    Colin McGuigan Guest

    Re: Math People - Help!

    Roy <roy@aol.com> wrote in message news:3a4b5a2d$1@news.devx.com...
    > Mr Weber,
    > Maths or Math doesn't really matter as long as you understand general idea
    > - tha's what does matter. Obviously didn't expect this kind of a respond
    > from you sir.


    Did you miss Phil's smiley face? =)

    --
    Colin McGuigan




  6. #81
    Colin McGuigan Guest

    Re: Math People - Help!

    Roy <roy@aol.com> wrote in message news:3a4b597f$1@news.devx.com...
    > I agree with you Travis and I may add a few more frases but it's useless.
    > One philosopher once said: "If your opponent doesn't want to understand

    you
    > - it's time to end your conversation." Opponent, of course, is Matt Markus
    > and he doesn't seem to understand what's this all about. So, I believe it
    > is a TIME to end this topic.


    In the future, please trim your quoted material to an appropriate length.

    --
    Colin McGuigan




  7. #82
    mrfelis Guest

    Re: Math People - Help!

    Phil Weber <pweber@devx.com> wrote in message
    news:3a49d1f0$1@news.devx.com...
    >You don't need algebra to solve that in VB :-)

    <snip>
    > dStart = -PV(dAPR, nPeriods, 0, dTarget)
    >


    Blackbox Algebra!? hehe!
    --
    ~~~
    !ti timda I ,KO
    ..em deppals nocaeB sivaM
    !draH
    ~~
    C'Ya,
    mrfelis@yahoo!com



  8. #83
    Travis Hall Guest

    Re: Math People - Help!


    "Arthur Wood" <wooda@saic-trsc.com> wrote:
    >
    >Phil,
    > I believe that Travis is from Europe (England?)


    Australia.

    >and over there the general
    >subject is termed "Maths", but is treated as a singular noun. So his English
    >(Queen's English) is quite correct. Remember, we here in the colonies speak
    >a bastardized version of the Mother Tongue (LOL).


    We bastardise the language ourselves, but we do it differently to you.

    Travis Hall

  9. #84
    Roy Guest

    Re: Math People - Help!


    "Colin McGuigan" <colin@chicor.com> wrote:
    >Roy <roy@aol.com> wrote in message news:3a4b597f$1@news.devx.com...
    >> I agree with you Travis and I may add a few more frases but it's useless.
    >> One philosopher once said: "If your opponent doesn't want to understand

    >you
    >> - it's time to end your conversation." Opponent, of course, is Matt Markus
    >> and he doesn't seem to understand what's this all about. So, I believe

    it
    >> is a TIME to end this topic.

    >
    >In the future, please trim your quoted material to an appropriate length.
    >
    >--
    >Colin McGuigan
    >
    >
    >What is that suppose to mean, Colin ?!


  10. #85
    Roy Guest

    Re: Math People - Help!


    "Colin McGuigan" <colin@chicor.com> wrote:
    >Roy <roy@aol.com> wrote in message news:3a4b5a2d$1@news.devx.com...
    >> Mr Weber,
    >> Maths or Math doesn't really matter as long as you understand general

    idea
    >> - tha's what does matter. Obviously didn't expect this kind of a respond
    >> from you sir.

    >
    >Did you miss Phil's smiley face? =)
    >
    >--
    >Colin McGuigan
    >
    >
    >No I didn't. He should've answered himself.


  11. #86
    Colin McGuigan Guest

    Re: Math People - Help!

    Roy <roy@aol.com> wrote in message news:3a4bf17a$1@news.devx.com...
    > >What is that suppose to mean, Colin ?!


    It meant that your post, that I had replied to, was about three pages of
    quoted material, and then five lines of your response. So, in the future, I
    asked you to trim the amount of material you're quoting to those parts that
    are relevant; most of the time, you shouldn't have more quoted material than
    response material.

    --
    Colin McGuigan




  12. #87
    Juan Hanner Guest

    Re: Math People - Help!

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    Matt,

    And this post isn't rude and agressive, containing nothing insightful???

    I really think you should give up while you are ahead, you a really make
    a fool of yourself.

    Juan Hanner

    "Matt Markus" <matt_markus@hotmail.com> wrote:
    >
    >Patrick, nobody's listening to you. Go away - you're rude and aggressive

    and
    >have nothing remotely insightful to say.
    >
    >Later
    >
    >"D. Patrick Hoerter" <phoerter@NO_SPAMMERS_bellatlantic.NET_net> wrote:
    >>Brian,
    >>
    >>
    >>Brian Patrick <bpatrick100@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >>news:3a438167$1@news.devx.com...
    >>>
    >>> Lenny I'm giving you the same response I gave to Ian.
    >>>
    >>> Consider this for a moment...
    >>>
    >>> I've been developing software for over 5 years and have MCSD

    >>certification.
    >>
    >>BFD.
    >>
    >>> I didn't go to college, so the only algebra I've been *taught* was around
    >>> 10 years ago in high school. I've learned all my programming skills

    >>through
    >>> on the job experience, books, magazines, newsgroups, vb and asp related

    >>web
    >>> sites, and pushing myself by coding on my personal time and learning

    new
    >>> things.

    >>
    >>You and 452,000,000 other developers. So what?
    >>
    >>>
    >>> I am a very accomplished programmer, and have received recognition from

    >>every
    >>> employer I've worked for. I require no supervision and can complete

    all
    >>> aspects of the software development life cycle on my own (Design, Data

    >>Modeling,
    >>> Coding, Testing, Implementation) I am confident that I can develop a

    >>solution
    >>> for any business need, and have proven that to myself and my employers

    >>time
    >>> and again.

    >>
    >>What is this, the one-liner on top of your resume?
    >>
    >>>
    >>> My current employer pays me $90,000/year

    >>
    >>So what. I know guys making 5 grand a week that can't code to save their
    >>***. Salary proves nothing.
    >>
    >>>
    >>> I've *never* (in over 5 years) had any need to use an algebraic equation,
    >>> such as the one discussed here. I use adding, subtracting, multiplying,
    >>> dividing, exponents, and percentages on a regular basis.

    >>
    >>Hmm. Perhaps you need to review what algebra _really_ is, for Pete's sake.
    >>
    >>>
    >>> I can tell you (as well as many others) that if I was not offered a VB/ASP
    >>> software development job because I have forgotten basic algebra, the

    >>potential
    >>> employer would have made big mistake.
    >>>
    >>> How do you explain my success ?
    >>>

    >>
    >>Hard work, no doubt.
    >>
    >>> btw - I totally agree with you regarding the problem solving. That is

    >one
    >>> of my greatest qualities as a programmer. IMO, programming *is* problem
    >>> solving, I solve problems everday. I still can't write that algebra

    >>equation,
    >>> though...
    >>>

    >>
    >>Then you couldn't write an algorithm to repeatedly solve similar problems
    >>with varying inputs.
    >>
    >>Interview over.
    >>
    >>Regards,
    >>D. Patrick Hoerter
    >>
    >>

    >



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