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  1. #1
    Russell Jones Guest

    DevX Announcement--Changes to Newsgroups

    DevX will soon be making changes to the operations of these forums. These
    changes are significant, so please take a moment to read DevX's announcement
    from Wednesday in the talk.editors.devx group: You can reach that
    announcement directly by clicking the following link:

    http://news.devx.com/cgi-bin/dnewswe...tem=3372&utag=

    Thanks,
    Russell Jones
    Executive Editor
    DevX


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    DonB Guest

    Re: DevX Announcement--Changes to Newsgroups

    "For along time we have wanted to overhaul the groups in order to make them
    easier
    to use from a Web browser and to modernize the UI so that it looks and
    behaves in a manner similar to most other popular discussion forums."

    translation:

    "A few of us who do not make daily use of these forums felt it was important
    to make this an http forum instead of an nntp forum because nntp is not cool
    and all the really cool people use http. And, we couldn't figure out how to
    incorporate popup advertising the way things are right now. So, you see we
    really know what's best for you and you're gonna like or that's just too
    **** bad."

    Dilbert material, for sure.


    --

    "Russell Jones" <arj1@nospam.northstate.net> wrote in message
    news:3fb558c6@devx7.web.devx.com...
    > DevX will soon be making changes to the operations of these forums. These
    > changes are significant, so please take a moment to read DevX's

    announcement
    > from Wednesday in the talk.editors.devx group: You can reach that
    > announcement directly by clicking the following link:
    >
    >

    http://news.devx.com/cgi-bin/dnewswe...tem=3372&utag=
    >
    > Thanks,
    > Russell Jones
    > Executive Editor
    > DevX
    >
    >



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    Tom Shelton Guest

    Re: DevX Announcement--Changes to Newsgroups

    On 2003-11-15, DonB <7432D63DBB01D03A196B1EDD80E8@comcastt.net> wrote:
    > "For along time we have wanted to overhaul the groups in order to make them
    > easier
    > to use from a Web browser and to modernize the UI so that it looks and
    > behaves in a manner similar to most other popular discussion forums."
    >
    > translation:
    >
    > "A few of us who do not make daily use of these forums felt it was important
    > to make this an http forum instead of an nntp forum because nntp is not cool
    > and all the really cool people use http. And, we couldn't figure out how to
    > incorporate popup advertising the way things are right now. So, you see we
    > really know what's best for you and you're gonna like or that's just too
    > **** bad."
    >
    > Dilbert material, for sure.
    >
    >


    I know what you mean... I personally will probably never visit these
    groups again once it moves to a http interface. http interfaces are
    just to cumbersome.

    Tom Shelton
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  4. #4
    Len Weaver Guest

    Re: DevX Announcement--Changes to Newsgroups

    >> "A few of us who do not make daily use of these forums felt
    >> it was important to make this an http forum instead of an
    >> nntp forum because nntp is not cool and all the really cool
    >> people use http. And, we couldn't figure out how to
    >> incorporate popup advertising the way things are right now.
    >> So, you see we really know what's best for you and you're
    >> gonna like or that's just too **** bad."


    > I know what you mean... I personally will probably never visit these
    > groups again once it moves to a http interface. http interfaces are
    > just to cumbersome.


    Ditto. Even the best/fastest web interface is slow and clucky
    compared to a real app. Oh well, I'm sure I'll see some of you on the
    microsoft.public.dotnet.* newsgroups.

    Farewell all,
    Len


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    Jay B. Harlow [MVP - Outlook] Guest

    Re: DevX Announcement--Changes to Newsgroups

    Tom,
    > I know what you mean... I personally will probably never visit these
    > groups again once it moves to a http interface. http interfaces are
    > just to cumbersome.

    Once the NNTP feed is cut off, I will not visit the HTTP feed! As currently
    I can get both the DevX & Microsoft NNTP feeds in my newsreader, I'm not
    going to bother going to some web page to spend significantly more time
    trying to find unread messages, just so DevX can have Avatars & other cutesy
    crap.

    Personally I feel it will be DevX's lost!!

    This reminds me of the Edge forum (Synon 2E AS/400 products). They were
    using one company's HTTP forum software, they upgraded to the fancy HTTP
    forum software (which supported Avatars & cutesy crap). Almost immediately
    99% of the users swamped Edge to change it back, I want to say by the end of
    the day the original software was back, definitely by the end of the week it
    was changed back. Edge spent a month or two getting to know their customers
    and how they were actually using the forum and found a package that was
    closer to what their customers needed.

    Jay

    "Tom Shelton" <tom@mtogden.com> wrote in message
    news:3fb5da57$1@devx7.web.devx.com...
    > On 2003-11-15, DonB <7432D63DBB01D03A196B1EDD80E8@comcastt.net> wrote:
    > > "For along time we have wanted to overhaul the groups in order to make

    them
    > > easier
    > > to use from a Web browser and to modernize the UI so that it looks and
    > > behaves in a manner similar to most other popular discussion forums."
    > >
    > > translation:
    > >
    > > "A few of us who do not make daily use of these forums felt it was

    important
    > > to make this an http forum instead of an nntp forum because nntp is not

    cool
    > > and all the really cool people use http. And, we couldn't figure out

    how to
    > > incorporate popup advertising the way things are right now. So, you see

    we
    > > really know what's best for you and you're gonna like or that's just too
    > > **** bad."
    > >
    > > Dilbert material, for sure.
    > >
    > >

    >
    > I know what you mean... I personally will probably never visit these
    > groups again once it moves to a http interface. http interfaces are
    > just to cumbersome.
    >
    > Tom Shelton



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  6. #6
    Tom Shelton Guest

    Re: DevX Announcement--Changes to Newsgroups

    On 2003-11-15, Jay B. Harlow [MVP - Outlook] <Jay_Harlow@email.msn.com> wrote:
    > Tom,
    >> I know what you mean... I personally will probably never visit these
    >> groups again once it moves to a http interface. http interfaces are
    >> just to cumbersome.

    > Once the NNTP feed is cut off, I will not visit the HTTP feed! As currently
    > I can get both the DevX & Microsoft NNTP feeds in my newsreader, I'm not
    > going to bother going to some web page to spend significantly more time
    > trying to find unread messages, just so DevX can have Avatars & other cutesy
    > crap.
    >


    I agree. It's just to inconvenient.

    > Personally I feel it will be DevX's lost!!
    >


    Looking at the responses so far, I think you're right.

    > This reminds me of the Edge forum (Synon 2E AS/400 products). They were
    > using one company's HTTP forum software, they upgraded to the fancy HTTP
    > forum software (which supported Avatars & cutesy crap). Almost immediately
    > 99% of the users swamped Edge to change it back, I want to say by the end of
    > the day the original software was back, definitely by the end of the week it
    > was changed back. Edge spent a month or two getting to know their customers
    > and how they were actually using the forum and found a package that was
    > closer to what their customers needed.
    >


    Well, maybe the folks at devx will get the hint - we don't want no
    stinking http inteface!

    Tom Shelton
    >

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  7. #7
    George Shubin Guest

    Re: DevX Announcement--Changes to Newsgroups

    So... you didn't learn anything from watching CompuServe die an agonizing
    death, eh? Fluffy style over substance is what your telling us. Not for
    me. I haven't got time to wade through the thick syrup. When you turn off
    the nntp forums, you're turning off convenience and swift ease of use, and
    therefore, discouraging their use by top-notch, quality, results-oriented
    people. All you'll have left is Mike Mitchell. <g> (Sorry. Just couldn't
    resist.)

    GS


    "Russell Jones" <arj1@nospam.northstate.net> wrote in message
    news:3fb558c6@devx7.web.devx.com...
    > DevX will soon be making changes to the operations of these forums. These
    > changes are significant, so please take a moment to read DevX's

    announcement
    > from Wednesday in the talk.editors.devx group: You can reach that
    > announcement directly by clicking the following link:
    >
    >

    http://news.devx.com/cgi-bin/dnewswe...tem=3372&utag=
    >
    > Thanks,
    > Russell Jones
    > Executive Editor
    > DevX
    >
    >



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  8. #8
    Frank Oquendo Guest

    Re: DevX Announcement--Changes to Newsgroups

    Jay B. Harlow [MVP - Outlook] wrote:

    > Once the NNTP feed is cut off, I will not visit the HTTP feed!


    Be honest... this place is hardly worth visiting as it is. Switching to
    a web interface will only complete the slow death these groups have been
    experiencing.

    --
    There are 10 kinds of people. Those who understand binary and those who
    don't.

    http://code.acadx.com
    (Pull the pin to reply)


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  9. #9
    Ed Courtenay Guest

    Re: DevX Announcement--Changes to Newsgroups


    "Tom Shelton" <tom@mtogden.com> wrote in message
    news:3fb5da57$1@devx7.web.devx.com...
    >
    > I know what you mean... I personally will probably never visit these
    > groups again once it moves to a http interface. http interfaces are
    > just to cumbersome.
    >
    > Tom Shelton


    I fully agree with you Tom; I for one will not be making the switch from
    NNTP to HTTP. The killer feature for the NNTP groups is the ability to be
    able to syncronise it locally so I can read it offline. Without that
    ability, I won't be using these groups again.


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  10. #10
    Kunle Odutola Guest

    Re: DevX Announcement--Changes to Newsgroups


    "Russell Jones" <arj1@nospam.northstate.net> wrote in message
    news:3fb558c6@devx7.web.devx.com...
    > DevX will soon be making changes to the operations of these forums. These
    > changes are significant, so please take a moment to read DevX's

    announcement
    > from Wednesday in the talk.editors.devx group: You can reach that
    > announcement directly by clicking the following link:
    >
    >

    http://news.devx.com/cgi-bin/dnewswe...tem=3372&utag=
    >
    > Thanks,
    > Russell Jones
    > Executive Editor
    > DevX


    Thanks for the notice Russell.

    IMO, DevX has effectively chosen to kill off what is left of the communities
    that formed around these newsgroups. Some were probably dying anyway but the
    HTTP-only decision extends that fate to all the others.

    Good luck.

    Kunle

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  11. #11
    Kunle Odutola Guest

    Re: DevX Announcement--Changes to Newsgroups


    "Kunle Odutola" <kunle.odutola@REMOVETHISokocha.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
    message news:3fb79179

    > Thanks for the notice Russell.
    >
    > IMO, DevX has effectively chosen to kill off what is left of the

    communities
    > that formed around these newsgroups. Some were probably dying anyway but

    the
    > HTTP-only decision extends that fate to all the others.
    >
    > Good luck.
    >
    > Kunle


    Just had a thought. If you provide an RSS feed, you may still be able to
    keep some members of the community happy.

    Kunle

    PS Most users filter out ads and pop-ups/unders etc anyway (Mozilla makes
    that insanely easy), what then is the point of an HTTP-only system?

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    Joe \Nuke Me Xemu\ Foster Guest

    Re: DevX Announcement--Changes to Newsgroups

    "DonB" <7432D63DBB01D03A196B1EDD80E8@comcastt.net> wrote in message <news:3fb59e34$1@devx7.web.devx.com>...

    > "For along time we have wanted to overhaul the groups in order to make them
    > easier
    > to use from a Web browser and to modernize the UI so that it looks and
    > behaves in a manner similar to most other popular discussion forums."
    >
    > translation:
    >
    > "A few of us who do not make daily use of these forums felt it was important
    > to make this an http forum instead of an nntp forum because nntp is not cool
    > and all the really cool people use http. And, we couldn't figure out how to
    > incorporate popup advertising the way things are right now. So, you see we
    > really know what's best for you and you're gonna like or that's just too
    > **** bad."
    >
    > Dilbert material, for sure.


    Whatever is the problem? Clearly, NNTP, an obsolete technology
    originating in the 80's and based on an even moldier 60's hack,
    is long overdue for a complete overhaul to meet rising demands
    for object-oriented, multithreaded, web-based messaging solutions.

    Just think of the new HTTP webservice newsgroups as... NNTP.NET!

    --
    Joe Foster <mailto:jlfoster%40znet.com> Greed = God? <http://www.xenu.net/>
    WARNING: I cannot be held responsible for the above They're coming to
    because my cats have apparently learned to type. take me away, ha ha!


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  13. #13
    DonB Guest

    Re: DevX Announcement--Changes to Newsgroups

    Why, yes, let's get rid of this thing that has worked fine for years just
    the way it is, and replace it with something else just because it's old
    fashioned. We must use the latest technology.

    How funny they are migrating to a PHP/MySQL alternative. From the vBulletin
    site: "[the vBulletin] solid back end technology allowed us to develop a
    product that is both blisteringly fast, yet amazingly stable").

    Message received loud and clear, DevX.

    --

    "Joe "Nuke Me Xemu" Foster" <joe@bftsi0.UUCP> wrote in message
    news:3fb7f2fa@devx7.web.devx.com...

    > Whatever is the problem? Clearly, NNTP, an obsolete technology
    > originating in the 80's and based on an even moldier 60's hack,
    > is long overdue for a complete overhaul to meet rising demands
    > for object-oriented, multithreaded, web-based messaging solutions.
    >
    > Just think of the new HTTP webservice newsgroups as... NNTP.NET!
    >
    > --
    > Joe Foster <mailto:jlfoster%40znet.com> Greed = God?

    <http://www.xenu.net/>
    > WARNING: I cannot be held responsible for the above They're

    coming to
    > because my cats have apparently learned to type. take me away,

    ha ha!




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  14. #14
    Vinay Chaudhari Guest

    Re: DevX Announcement--Changes to Newsgroups

    Len Weaver wrote:

    >
    > > I know what you mean... I personally will probably never visit these
    > > groups again once it moves to a http interface. http interfaces are
    > > just to cumbersome.

    >
    > Ditto. Even the best/fastest web interface is slow and clucky
    > compared to a real app. Oh well, I'm sure I'll see some of you on the
    > microsoft.public.dotnet.* newsgroups.
    >

    Same here... I am also not going to visit web-based forums. Regarding
    MS newsgroups, I myself don't go there much... they are always flooding
    with technical QAs...
    I will surely miss this one where ppl were always fighting.... Its
    always a fun to watch nice fight :-)

    -Vinay.
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  15. #15
    Rob Bruce Guest

    Re: DevX Announcement--Changes to Newsgroups

    mae <7432D63DBB01D03A196B1EDD80E8@comcastt.net> wedi ysgrifennu:

    > Why, yes, let's get rid of this thing that has worked fine for years
    > just the way it is, and replace it with something else just because
    > it's old fashioned. We must use the latest technology.
    >


    And another point that has been hinted at but needs reinforcing: Some of us
    (maybe the majority of the world) still only have dial-up internet access.
    Out here in mid Wales - very isolated in European terms - we don't have
    access to DSL, and ISDN is prohibitively expensive for small businesses, so
    all we have is dial-up. Consequently we have a very real requirement that
    bandwidth use is kept as low as possible for any internet resource to be
    worthwhile. Web-based groups might be irritatingly slow for many, but
    they're impossibly slow for poeple like us.

    --
    Rob

    Please keep conversations in the newsgroup so that all may contribute
    and benefit.


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