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Hi Phil --
> > Thought DevX would've found
> > http://www.mvps.org/vb/tips/varptr.htm
>
> Karl: It does, it's the number one hit!
Kewl! :-)
> I searched MSDN because John asked
> whether it was "documented," by which I assumed he meant by Microsoft.
Well, I guess having an article by Matt Curland *clearly* wouldn't qualify in that
regard, especially given it's posted as "undoc'd." ;-)
Thanks... Karl
Hi Phil --
> > I do not think multiposting to msnews and DevX is useful
> > as it forces conversations to not be easily followable in both
> > places, etc.
>
> Michael: I completely agree. Unfortunately, we have no jurisdiction over
> what people post to other servers. All I can do is try to make these groups
> so much more valuable that people won't feel the need to post elsewhere
> (looks like our shill David Mark is doing a good job at making msnews less
> appealing. :-).
Heh, and guess where the traffic's going! The plan's a-workin', yessirree, bob!
> P.S. -- That's a JOKE, people! :-)
Oh. (<garrett>Me too!</garrett>)
Later... Karl
Hi Phil --
> > I do not think multiposting to msnews and DevX is useful
> > as it forces conversations to not be easily followable in both
> > places, etc.
>
> Michael: I completely agree. Unfortunately, we have no jurisdiction over
> what people post to other servers. All I can do is try to make these groups
> so much more valuable that people won't feel the need to post elsewhere
> (looks like our shill David Mark is doing a good job at making msnews less
> appealing. :-).
Heh, and guess where the traffic's going! The plan's a-workin', yessirree, bob!
> P.S. -- That's a JOKE, people! :-)
Oh. (<garrett>Me too!</garrett>)
Later... Karl
Re: Text1.Clear
Oops, I didn't realise it didn't work, I just thought it was there for compatibility.
I have always wondered why the Frame control had an additem method :)
Mike
"Larry Triezenberg" <ltriez@pathsys.com> wrote:
>Phil, that's kind of what I figured, but since it was posted as (potentially
>useful) information I thought that I might be somehow missing something...
>
>Larry Triezenberg
>"What should it be if it shouldn't be fun?" (John Hartford)
>
>Phil Weber wrote in message <3906c69f$1@news.devx.com>...
>>Larry: AddItem, Clear, _Default and RemoveItem are defined for most of
VB's
>>intrinsic controls. I suspect that these controls implement a standard
>>interface which includes these methods, but only certain controls (such
as
>>List- and ComboBoxes) actually support them.
>
>
Re: Text1.Clear
Oops, I didn't realise it didn't work, I just thought it was there for compatibility.
I have always wondered why the Frame control had an additem method :)
Mike
"Larry Triezenberg" <ltriez@pathsys.com> wrote:
>Phil, that's kind of what I figured, but since it was posted as (potentially
>useful) information I thought that I might be somehow missing something...
>
>Larry Triezenberg
>"What should it be if it shouldn't be fun?" (John Hartford)
>
>Phil Weber wrote in message <3906c69f$1@news.devx.com>...
>>Larry: AddItem, Clear, _Default and RemoveItem are defined for most of
VB's
>>intrinsic controls. I suspect that these controls implement a standard
>>interface which includes these methods, but only certain controls (such
as
>>List- and ComboBoxes) actually support them.
>
>
I only posted the question in the two places, and that with much fear and
trepidation.
As I use OE5, I don't know how to double-post to two ngs on two different
servers.
Feel free to inform me, if it is possible at all.
The way it actually works in my experience is that I post a question and the
answers come filtering in one every few days over the next couple of weeks,
if anyone answers at all. So, if one wants an answer, one posts to all of
the places where the question is appropriate, especially given that
generally the audiences don't seem to overlap. I think posting to these two
API newsgroups is completely in order to get exposure. Often, there are a
number of insights into a particular matter posted by different people, so
simply getting a single "answer" really isn't a tremendously ambitious goal
when trying to find out about a topic.
Unless I am not seeing all the posts to the other group, one will have to
define "myriad" as meaning "5". And, given that the discussion there is
basically redundant, the actual meaningful number of informative posts is
more like "2".
Thanks everyone for the responses to both ngs.
Michael (michka) Kaplan <former_mvp@spamfree.trigeminal.nospam.com> wrote in
message news:390739c2$1@news.devx.com...
> LOL, no problem. I just wish people would pick a place and then give
people
> a chance to answer before picking somewhere else..... considering how
> quickly people posted answers and all.
>
> I do not think multiposting to msnews and devx is useful as it forces
> conversations to not be easily followable in both places, etc.
>
> --
> MichKa
> (insensitive fruitarian)
>
> random junk of dubious value, a multilingual website, the
> 54-language TSI Form/Report to Data Access Page Wizard,
> and lots of replication "stuff" at the (no scripts required!)
> http://www.trigeminal.com/
>
>
> "Phil Weber" <pweber@teleport.com> wrote in message
> news:39068886$1@news.devx.com...
> > > microsoft.public.vb.winapi is where I saw him post....
> >
> > Michael: Thanks. I searched on deja.com before I asked, but couldn't
find
> > anything. I was mostly concerned that he may have multi-posted to this
> > server, where I can do something about it. ;-)
> > ---
> > Phil Weber
> >
> >
>
>
I only posted the question in the two places, and that with much fear and
trepidation.
As I use OE5, I don't know how to double-post to two ngs on two different
servers.
Feel free to inform me, if it is possible at all.
The way it actually works in my experience is that I post a question and the
answers come filtering in one every few days over the next couple of weeks,
if anyone answers at all. So, if one wants an answer, one posts to all of
the places where the question is appropriate, especially given that
generally the audiences don't seem to overlap. I think posting to these two
API newsgroups is completely in order to get exposure. Often, there are a
number of insights into a particular matter posted by different people, so
simply getting a single "answer" really isn't a tremendously ambitious goal
when trying to find out about a topic.
Unless I am not seeing all the posts to the other group, one will have to
define "myriad" as meaning "5". And, given that the discussion there is
basically redundant, the actual meaningful number of informative posts is
more like "2".
Thanks everyone for the responses to both ngs.
Michael (michka) Kaplan <former_mvp@spamfree.trigeminal.nospam.com> wrote in
message news:390739c2$1@news.devx.com...
> LOL, no problem. I just wish people would pick a place and then give
people
> a chance to answer before picking somewhere else..... considering how
> quickly people posted answers and all.
>
> I do not think multiposting to msnews and devx is useful as it forces
> conversations to not be easily followable in both places, etc.
>
> --
> MichKa
> (insensitive fruitarian)
>
> random junk of dubious value, a multilingual website, the
> 54-language TSI Form/Report to Data Access Page Wizard,
> and lots of replication "stuff" at the (no scripts required!)
> http://www.trigeminal.com/
>
>
> "Phil Weber" <pweber@teleport.com> wrote in message
> news:39068886$1@news.devx.com...
> > > microsoft.public.vb.winapi is where I saw him post....
> >
> > Michael: Thanks. I searched on deja.com before I asked, but couldn't
find
> > anything. I was mostly concerned that he may have multi-posted to this
> > server, where I can do something about it. ;-)
> > ---
> > Phil Weber
> >
> >
>
>
Fine Jon.
I will be filtering all your posts in the future. Others will do so as well,
they will just not mention it. But the fact that you have absolutely no
interest in the fact that many people do look at both servers and the fact
that every argument you use below are the SAME rationalizations that people
use when they post SPAM to multiple sites should be your clue that you are
doing something that is more than just a tad inappropriate.
Good luck with your future questions and collating the various answers you
get from ultiople places (most of whom will not now about each other or be
able to follow answers in other places). Such determined wishy-washiness is
admirable, I guess. :-(
--
MichKa
"Cause it's a bittersweet symphony, thats life..." -- The Verve
random junk of dubious value, at the multilingual,
no scripts required, http://www.trigeminal.com/
"- John of Arc -" <666@666.666> wrote in message
news:3907acb5@news.devx.com...
> I only posted the question in the two places, and that with much fear and
> trepidation.
>
> As I use OE5, I don't know how to double-post to two ngs on two different
> servers.
> Feel free to inform me, if it is possible at all.
>
> The way it actually works in my experience is that I post a question and
the
> answers come filtering in one every few days over the next couple of
weeks,
> if anyone answers at all. So, if one wants an answer, one posts to all of
> the places where the question is appropriate, especially given that
> generally the audiences don't seem to overlap. I think posting to these
two
> API newsgroups is completely in order to get exposure. Often, there are a
> number of insights into a particular matter posted by different people, so
> simply getting a single "answer" really isn't a tremendously ambitious
goal
> when trying to find out about a topic.
>
> Unless I am not seeing all the posts to the other group, one will have to
> define "myriad" as meaning "5". And, given that the discussion there is
> basically redundant, the actual meaningful number of informative posts is
> more like "2".
>
> Thanks everyone for the responses to both ngs.
>
>
> Michael (michka) Kaplan <former_mvp@spamfree.trigeminal.nospam.com> wrote
in
> message news:390739c2$1@news.devx.com...
> > LOL, no problem. I just wish people would pick a place and then give
> people
> > a chance to answer before picking somewhere else..... considering how
> > quickly people posted answers and all.
> >
> > I do not think multiposting to msnews and devx is useful as it forces
> > conversations to not be easily followable in both places, etc.
> >
> > --
> > MichKa
> > (insensitive fruitarian)
> >
> > random junk of dubious value, a multilingual website, the
> > 54-language TSI Form/Report to Data Access Page Wizard,
> > and lots of replication "stuff" at the (no scripts required!)
> > http://www.trigeminal.com/
> >
> >
> > "Phil Weber" <pweber@teleport.com> wrote in message
> > news:39068886$1@news.devx.com...
> > > > microsoft.public.vb.winapi is where I saw him post....
> > >
> > > Michael: Thanks. I searched on deja.com before I asked, but couldn't
> find
> > > anything. I was mostly concerned that he may have multi-posted to this
> > > server, where I can do something about it. ;-)
> > > ---
> > > Phil Weber
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
Fine Jon.
I will be filtering all your posts in the future. Others will do so as well,
they will just not mention it. But the fact that you have absolutely no
interest in the fact that many people do look at both servers and the fact
that every argument you use below are the SAME rationalizations that people
use when they post SPAM to multiple sites should be your clue that you are
doing something that is more than just a tad inappropriate.
Good luck with your future questions and collating the various answers you
get from ultiople places (most of whom will not now about each other or be
able to follow answers in other places). Such determined wishy-washiness is
admirable, I guess. :-(
--
MichKa
"Cause it's a bittersweet symphony, thats life..." -- The Verve
random junk of dubious value, at the multilingual,
no scripts required, http://www.trigeminal.com/
"- John of Arc -" <666@666.666> wrote in message
news:3907acb5@news.devx.com...
> I only posted the question in the two places, and that with much fear and
> trepidation.
>
> As I use OE5, I don't know how to double-post to two ngs on two different
> servers.
> Feel free to inform me, if it is possible at all.
>
> The way it actually works in my experience is that I post a question and
the
> answers come filtering in one every few days over the next couple of
weeks,
> if anyone answers at all. So, if one wants an answer, one posts to all of
> the places where the question is appropriate, especially given that
> generally the audiences don't seem to overlap. I think posting to these
two
> API newsgroups is completely in order to get exposure. Often, there are a
> number of insights into a particular matter posted by different people, so
> simply getting a single "answer" really isn't a tremendously ambitious
goal
> when trying to find out about a topic.
>
> Unless I am not seeing all the posts to the other group, one will have to
> define "myriad" as meaning "5". And, given that the discussion there is
> basically redundant, the actual meaningful number of informative posts is
> more like "2".
>
> Thanks everyone for the responses to both ngs.
>
>
> Michael (michka) Kaplan <former_mvp@spamfree.trigeminal.nospam.com> wrote
in
> message news:390739c2$1@news.devx.com...
> > LOL, no problem. I just wish people would pick a place and then give
> people
> > a chance to answer before picking somewhere else..... considering how
> > quickly people posted answers and all.
> >
> > I do not think multiposting to msnews and devx is useful as it forces
> > conversations to not be easily followable in both places, etc.
> >
> > --
> > MichKa
> > (insensitive fruitarian)
> >
> > random junk of dubious value, a multilingual website, the
> > 54-language TSI Form/Report to Data Access Page Wizard,
> > and lots of replication "stuff" at the (no scripts required!)
> > http://www.trigeminal.com/
> >
> >
> > "Phil Weber" <pweber@teleport.com> wrote in message
> > news:39068886$1@news.devx.com...
> > > > microsoft.public.vb.winapi is where I saw him post....
> > >
> > > Michael: Thanks. I searched on deja.com before I asked, but couldn't
> find
> > > anything. I was mostly concerned that he may have multi-posted to this
> > > server, where I can do something about it. ;-)
> > > ---
> > > Phil Weber
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
I don't think your comparison to spam is fair. John wasn't posting to
groups where his question was off-topic. They are two separate places to
discuss the same thing. There are several other VB forums at web sites like
CodeGuru. Should he avoid these as well, because it would be easier if
everybody just picked one?
At first it does seem nice to only have one uber-NNTP server that everybody
uses, instead of DevX and MSNews. But variety is good. It's better for
people to have options when they want to discuss Visual Basic or anything
else. I think there is a different vibe to DevX and MSNews, and often one
offers information that isn't on the other.
-- Matthew Solnit
msolnit@yahoo.com
"Michael (michka) Kaplan" <former_mvp@spamfree.trigeminal.nospam.com> wrote
in message news:39082203$1@news.devx.com...
> Fine Jon.
>
> I will be filtering all your posts in the future. Others will do so as
well,
> they will just not mention it. But the fact that you have absolutely no
> interest in the fact that many people do look at both servers and the fact
> that every argument you use below are the SAME rationalizations that
people
> use when they post SPAM to multiple sites should be your clue that you are
> doing something that is more than just a tad inappropriate.
I don't think your comparison to spam is fair. John wasn't posting to
groups where his question was off-topic. They are two separate places to
discuss the same thing. There are several other VB forums at web sites like
CodeGuru. Should he avoid these as well, because it would be easier if
everybody just picked one?
At first it does seem nice to only have one uber-NNTP server that everybody
uses, instead of DevX and MSNews. But variety is good. It's better for
people to have options when they want to discuss Visual Basic or anything
else. I think there is a different vibe to DevX and MSNews, and often one
offers information that isn't on the other.
-- Matthew Solnit
msolnit@yahoo.com
"Michael (michka) Kaplan" <former_mvp@spamfree.trigeminal.nospam.com> wrote
in message news:39082203$1@news.devx.com...
> Fine Jon.
>
> I will be filtering all your posts in the future. Others will do so as
well,
> they will just not mention it. But the fact that you have absolutely no
> interest in the fact that many people do look at both servers and the fact
> that every argument you use below are the SAME rationalizations that
people
> use when they post SPAM to multiple sites should be your clue that you are
> doing something that is more than just a tad inappropriate.
> At first it does seem nice to only have one uber-NNTP
> server that everybody uses, instead of DevX and msnews.
> But variety is good. It's better for people to have options
> when they want to discuss Visual Basic or anything else.
> I think there is a different vibe to DevX and msnews, and
> often one offers information that isn't on the other.
Matthew: It would have been considerate of the fact that many people
frequent both servers if he had posted his question at one site, waited a
day or so to see if it was answered, then posted at the other if it was not.
We can't make a rule requiring that people be considerate, but Michael is
free to not help those he considers rude.
The key is that this is a *community,* and if an individual puts his or her
personal convenience ahead of the good of the community, s/he can expect to
receive a negative reaction. Posting the same question to multiple locations
simultaneously is the equivalent (to me, at least) of parking in a
handicapped space: it may seem like a small thing and perhaps nobody gets
hurt, but it has the potential to cause well-meaning people significant
inconvenience, if they waste time answering a question in one location only
to find that it was previously answered elsewhere. That time could have been
spent helping someone whose question hadn't been answered. It's all about
thinking about other people before oneself.
---
Phil Weber
> At first it does seem nice to only have one uber-NNTP
> server that everybody uses, instead of DevX and msnews.
> But variety is good. It's better for people to have options
> when they want to discuss Visual Basic or anything else.
> I think there is a different vibe to DevX and msnews, and
> often one offers information that isn't on the other.
Matthew: It would have been considerate of the fact that many people
frequent both servers if he had posted his question at one site, waited a
day or so to see if it was answered, then posted at the other if it was not.
We can't make a rule requiring that people be considerate, but Michael is
free to not help those he considers rude.
The key is that this is a *community,* and if an individual puts his or her
personal convenience ahead of the good of the community, s/he can expect to
receive a negative reaction. Posting the same question to multiple locations
simultaneously is the equivalent (to me, at least) of parking in a
handicapped space: it may seem like a small thing and perhaps nobody gets
hurt, but it has the potential to cause well-meaning people significant
inconvenience, if they waste time answering a question in one location only
to find that it was previously answered elsewhere. That time could have been
spent helping someone whose question hadn't been answered. It's all about
thinking about other people before oneself.
---
Phil Weber
John,
If you are not getting enough responses, maybe you should change your question.
If you post something like 'My App Crashes - Can anyone help' you will get
very little response. If you take the time to narrow down the problem and
post something like 'My app crashes on this line when doing this' you will
get alot more responses.
And use at least a vaguely believeable email address.
Mike
"- John of Arc -" <666@666.666> wrote:
>I only posted the question in the two places, and that with much fear and
>trepidation.
>
>As I use OE5, I don't know how to double-post to two ngs on two different
>servers.
>Feel free to inform me, if it is possible at all.
>
>The way it actually works in my experience is that I post a question and
the
>answers come filtering in one every few days over the next couple of weeks,
>if anyone answers at all. So, if one wants an answer, one posts to all
of
>the places where the question is appropriate, especially given that
>generally the audiences don't seem to overlap. I think posting to these
two
>API newsgroups is completely in order to get exposure. Often, there are
a
>number of insights into a particular matter posted by different people,
so
>simply getting a single "answer" really isn't a tremendously ambitious goal
>when trying to find out about a topic.
>
>Unless I am not seeing all the posts to the other group, one will have
to
>define "myriad" as meaning "5". And, given that the discussion there is
>basically redundant, the actual meaningful number of informative posts is
>more like "2".
>
>Thanks everyone for the responses to both ngs.
>
>
>Michael (michka) Kaplan <former_mvp@spamfree.trigeminal.nospam.com> wrote
in
>message news:390739c2$1@news.devx.com...
>> LOL, no problem. I just wish people would pick a place and then give
>people
>> a chance to answer before picking somewhere else..... considering how
>> quickly people posted answers and all.
>>
>> I do not think multiposting to msnews and devx is useful as it forces
>> conversations to not be easily followable in both places, etc.
>>
>> --
>> MichKa
>> (insensitive fruitarian)
>>
>> random junk of dubious value, a multilingual website, the
>> 54-language TSI Form/Report to Data Access Page Wizard,
>> and lots of replication "stuff" at the (no scripts required!)
>> http://www.trigeminal.com/
>>
>>
>> "Phil Weber" <pweber@teleport.com> wrote in message
>> news:39068886$1@news.devx.com...
>> > > microsoft.public.vb.winapi is where I saw him post....
>> >
>> > Michael: Thanks. I searched on deja.com before I asked, but couldn't
>find
>> > anything. I was mostly concerned that he may have multi-posted to this
>> > server, where I can do something about it. ;-)
>> > ---
>> > Phil Weber
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
John,
If you are not getting enough responses, maybe you should change your question.
If you post something like 'My App Crashes - Can anyone help' you will get
very little response. If you take the time to narrow down the problem and
post something like 'My app crashes on this line when doing this' you will
get alot more responses.
And use at least a vaguely believeable email address.
Mike
"- John of Arc -" <666@666.666> wrote:
>I only posted the question in the two places, and that with much fear and
>trepidation.
>
>As I use OE5, I don't know how to double-post to two ngs on two different
>servers.
>Feel free to inform me, if it is possible at all.
>
>The way it actually works in my experience is that I post a question and
the
>answers come filtering in one every few days over the next couple of weeks,
>if anyone answers at all. So, if one wants an answer, one posts to all
of
>the places where the question is appropriate, especially given that
>generally the audiences don't seem to overlap. I think posting to these
two
>API newsgroups is completely in order to get exposure. Often, there are
a
>number of insights into a particular matter posted by different people,
so
>simply getting a single "answer" really isn't a tremendously ambitious goal
>when trying to find out about a topic.
>
>Unless I am not seeing all the posts to the other group, one will have
to
>define "myriad" as meaning "5". And, given that the discussion there is
>basically redundant, the actual meaningful number of informative posts is
>more like "2".
>
>Thanks everyone for the responses to both ngs.
>
>
>Michael (michka) Kaplan <former_mvp@spamfree.trigeminal.nospam.com> wrote
in
>message news:390739c2$1@news.devx.com...
>> LOL, no problem. I just wish people would pick a place and then give
>people
>> a chance to answer before picking somewhere else..... considering how
>> quickly people posted answers and all.
>>
>> I do not think multiposting to msnews and devx is useful as it forces
>> conversations to not be easily followable in both places, etc.
>>
>> --
>> MichKa
>> (insensitive fruitarian)
>>
>> random junk of dubious value, a multilingual website, the
>> 54-language TSI Form/Report to Data Access Page Wizard,
>> and lots of replication "stuff" at the (no scripts required!)
>> http://www.trigeminal.com/
>>
>>
>> "Phil Weber" <pweber@teleport.com> wrote in message
>> news:39068886$1@news.devx.com...
>> > > microsoft.public.vb.winapi is where I saw him post....
>> >
>> > Michael: Thanks. I searched on deja.com before I asked, but couldn't
>find
>> > anything. I was mostly concerned that he may have multi-posted to this
>> > server, where I can do something about it. ;-)
>> > ---
>> > Phil Weber
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>