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  1. #1
    Richard Brousseau Guest

    MS court case


    The vultures at MS got what they had coming.
    Some analysts calculate that the MS monopolistic practices
    resulted in a $50 US over charge on each computer made due to
    the inflated price of MS operating systems. If MS sends me a
    cheque for $200 for the 4 computer I have bought over the years,
    I might take a kinder look at their present predicament. From my
    present perspective, they have been a bullying entity, greatly
    thwarthing innovation and competition in this business far too
    long. If they get brought down to size, in less than a matter of
    weeks, new companies and products will quickly emerge to take
    fill any gap. This will result in far better products and prices
    than wihich the consumer must endure from their monotholic grip
    on the market. Hopefully, the day may soon arrive where bankers
    and venture capitalist will not initiate any financing
    discussions with a start-up venture with the question: Does your
    product compete against a MS product? and upon hearing yes walk
    away from the table.

    Just some of my humble thought on the question

  2. #2
    Jon Ogden Guest

    Re: MS court case


    "Richard Brousseau" <rbrous@home.com> wrote:
    >
    >The vultures at MS got what they had coming.
    >Some analysts calculate that the MS monopolistic practices
    >resulted in a $50 US over charge on each computer made due to
    >the inflated price of MS operating systems. If MS sends me a
    >cheque for $200 for the 4 computer I have bought over the years,
    >I might take a kinder look at their present predicament.


    Are you saying that Windows was worth $50.00 less than you paid for it? That's
    opinion, not analysis, and certain not a fact. If you are saying that you
    never, ever, not once, used Windows, then you shouldn't have opened the software
    package.


    >From my
    >present perspective, they have been a bullying entity, greatly
    >thwarthing innovation and competition in this business far too
    >long.


    And your prespective is what exactly? Employee of Novel?

    >If they get brought down to size, in less than a matter of
    >weeks, new companies and products will quickly emerge to take
    >fill any gap.


    Not in weeks, not in months, maybe in years -- and their business practices
    will be just as hard-nosed as Microsoft's

    >This will result in far better products and prices
    >than wihich the consumer must endure from their monotholic grip
    >on the market.


    It will? You have proof of this? A better price than I.E.'s?

    >Hopefully, the day may soon arrive where bankers
    >and venture capitalist will not initiate any financing
    >discussions with a start-up venture with the question: Does your
    >product compete against a MS product? and upon hearing yes walk
    >away from the table.


    Ahh now I understand, no-one would put up the one billion dollars you needed
    to develop your really neat idea for a database that would do have as much
    and costs 90% of what SQLServer does.

    >Just some of my humble thought on the question


    Nothing humble and not much thinking involved in your rant.





  3. #3
    Robert Scoble Guest

    Re: MS court case

    Microsoft Windows cost more than a billion dollars to develop (Microsoft
    continues to spend about a billion PER YEAR in research and development
    costs).

    They got in this trouble because they are giving away a browser for free.

    Can you imagine the outcry if they gave away the OS for less than what it
    cost to develop it? I can hear Apple and Sun and friends crying out now
    "Microsoft is unfair for giving away the OS for less than it cost them to
    develop it which is anti-competitive."

    The fact is that Bill Gates can't win this game. He should have split up the
    company while he had the chance.

    --
    Robert Scoble
    http://www.netmeeting-zone.com
    The NetMeeting Zone -- Microsoft NetMeeting MVP
    http://www.devx.com --The Premier Online Information Source for Programming
    Professionals


    "Richard Brousseau" <rbrous@home.com> wrote in message
    news:38edc8ab@news.devx.com...
    >
    > The vultures at MS got what they had coming.
    > Some analysts calculate that the MS monopolistic practices
    > resulted in a $50 US over charge on each computer made due to
    > the inflated price of MS operating systems. If MS sends me a
    > cheque for $200 for the 4 computer I have bought over the years,
    > I might take a kinder look at their present predicament. From my
    > present perspective, they have been a bullying entity, greatly
    > thwarthing innovation and competition in this business far too
    > long. If they get brought down to size, in less than a matter of
    > weeks, new companies and products will quickly emerge to take
    > fill any gap. This will result in far better products and prices
    > than wihich the consumer must endure from their monotholic grip
    > on the market. Hopefully, the day may soon arrive where bankers
    > and venture capitalist will not initiate any financing
    > discussions with a start-up venture with the question: Does your
    > product compete against a MS product? and upon hearing yes walk
    > away from the table.
    >
    > Just some of my humble thought on the question




  4. #4
    Andrew Guest

    Re: MS court case


    "Richard Brousseau" <rbrous@home.com> wrote:
    >
    >The vultures at MS got what they had coming.
    >Some analysts calculate that the MS monopolistic practices
    >resulted in a $50 US over charge on each computer made due to
    >the inflated price of MS operating systems. If MS sends me a
    >cheque for $200 for the 4 computer I have bought over the years,
    >I might take a kinder look at their present predicament. From my
    >present perspective, they have been a bullying entity, greatly
    >thwarthing innovation and competition in this business far too
    >long. If they get brought down to size, in less than a matter of
    >weeks, new companies and products will quickly emerge to take
    >fill any gap. This will result in far better products and prices
    >than wihich the consumer must endure from their monotholic grip
    >on the market. Hopefully, the day may soon arrive where bankers
    >and venture capitalist will not initiate any financing
    >discussions with a start-up venture with the question: Does your
    >product compete against a MS product? and upon hearing yes walk
    >away from the table.
    >
    >Just some of my humble thought on the question


    It's a pity you haven't been around very long. 10 years ago when I was developing
    Unix apps the operating system cost in the vicinity or $5000 (AUD). If you
    think that Microsoft are overcharging for WinNT at around $400 (AUD) then
    perhaps you should stop using computers and take up ant farming or something
    that requires less capital expenditure.

    Andrew

  5. #5
    Jim Fawcette Guest

    Re: MS court case


    You have an excellent point.

    MS and Intel, whatever else they have done and whether you agree with all
    their competitive practices (which I do not), have done more to lower the
    price of computing power than all other commercial companies combined.

    That's not because they are altruistic, but because their business models
    were based on creating high volume products, while their competitors were
    focused on selling high-priced products to a narrow customer base.

    If MS (and Intel) won because their business model was superior, should they
    now be punished?

    Or more to what should be the real point of the trial -- what will that do
    to help consumers? Will OS/2 and Solaris become excllent end-user products
    overnight because of the verdict? Will dozens of new OS vendors magically
    spring up with much better alternatives to Windows? Will the average computer
    user suddenly develop the expertise to install Linux?

    I doubt it. And, frankly, I doubt the cynical lawyers involved care.
    / jim



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