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  1. #1
    Chris Schmidt Guest

    Requesting Developer Feedback - APEX vs. Sheridan Suites


    We are evaluating APEX and Sheridan with the goal of standardizing on a suite
    for our developers. I would appreciate feedback from developers who have
    used either or both, or their components. Pros, cons, implementation issues
    and general satisfaction?. We develop multinational SQL database appli-lications
    with VB font ends in Vis Studio Enterprise. Frequent calls to C/C++ subs.
    Appreciate any comments.


  2. #2
    Todd B Guest

    Re: Requesting Developer Feedback - APEX vs. Sheridan Suites

    Chris, I would ask that you evaluate them along side others as well before
    making your choice. They have good products, no doubt. But so do many
    others. Your best bet is to download trial versions of the controls or
    tools you need for your designs. The best way to evaluate is to try them
    out using your methods and standards.

    <plug> I, of course, am part of one of those 'other' companies that feel we
    have quite a lot to offer, Agendum Software. ;-)

    --

    Sincerely,

    Todd B

    Confusion say * What goes around, Keeps going!*


    "Chris Schmidt" <cgs.meridien@gte.net> wrote in message
    news:396fe068$1@news.devx.com...
    >
    > We are evaluating APEX and Sheridan with the goal of standardizing on a

    suite
    > for our developers. I would appreciate feedback from developers who have
    > used either or both, or their components. Pros, cons, implementation

    issues
    > and general satisfaction?. We develop multinational SQL database

    appli-lications
    > with VB font ends in Vis Studio Enterprise. Frequent calls to C/C++ subs.
    > Appreciate any comments.
    >




  3. #3
    Brent Guest

    Re: Requesting Developer Feedback - APEX vs. Sheridan Suites


    I agree with Todd. Having worked for one of the afore mentioned companies
    and being rather familiar with all their products, I can tell you that there
    are times when Sheridan Grid is better suited than Apex's, and visa-versa.
    The best thing to do in any situation is to evaluate at lease 4 controls
    of the same type and see which better fits your needs.

    You might even find that you need to standardize on two controls as not one
    control will fit all your needs.

    Brent

    "Todd B" <ToddB@NoSpam.AgendumSoftware.com> wrote:
    >Chris, I would ask that you evaluate them along side others as well before
    >making your choice. They have good products, no doubt. But so do many
    >others. Your best bet is to download trial versions of the controls or
    >tools you need for your designs. The best way to evaluate is to try them
    >out using your methods and standards.
    >
    ><plug> I, of course, am part of one of those 'other' companies that feel

    we
    >have quite a lot to offer, Agendum Software. ;-)
    >
    >--
    >
    >Sincerely,
    >
    >Todd B
    >
    >Confusion say * What goes around, Keeps going!*
    >
    >
    >"Chris Schmidt" <cgs.meridien@gte.net> wrote in message
    >news:396fe068$1@news.devx.com...
    >>
    >> We are evaluating APEX and Sheridan with the goal of standardizing on

    a
    >suite
    >> for our developers. I would appreciate feedback from developers who have
    >> used either or both, or their components. Pros, cons, implementation

    >issues
    >> and general satisfaction?. We develop multinational SQL database

    >appli-lications
    >> with VB font ends in Vis Studio Enterprise. Frequent calls to C/C++ subs.
    >> Appreciate any comments.
    >>

    >
    >



  4. #4
    Guy Guest

    Re: Requesting Developer Feedback - APEX vs. Sheridan Suites


    "Chris Schmidt" <cgs.meridien@gte.net> wrote:
    >
    >We are evaluating APEX and Sheridan with the goal of standardizing on a

    suite
    >for our developers. I would appreciate feedback from developers who have
    >used either or both, or their components. Pros, cons, implementation issues
    >and general satisfaction?. We develop multinational SQL database appli-lications
    >with VB font ends in Vis Studio Enterprise. Frequent calls to C/C++ subs.
    >Appreciate any comments.
    >

    USE NO THIRD PARTY TOOLS!
    I have been a professional VB programmer since version 1, and nothing will
    kill your abilities to maintain and update your programs faster than using
    third party tools.
    VB is powerful and flexible enough, that with a few design patterns in hand,
    you will be able to build your applications just as fast as with third party
    tools.


  5. #5
    mrfelis Guest

    Re: Requesting Developer Feedback - APEX vs. Sheridan Suites

    Guy <GuyBeebe@Butlermfg.org> wrote in message
    news:39931804$1@news.devx.com...
    >
    > "Chris Schmidt" <cgs.meridien@gte.net> wrote:
    > >
    > >We are evaluating APEX and Sheridan with the goal of standardizing on a

    > suite
    > >for our developers. I would appreciate feedback from developers who have
    > >used either or both, or their components. Pros, cons, implementation

    issues
    > >and general satisfaction?. We develop multinational SQL database

    appli-lications
    > >with VB font ends in Vis Studio Enterprise. Frequent calls to C/C++ subs.
    > >Appreciate any comments.
    > >

    > USE NO THIRD PARTY TOOLS!
    > I have been a professional VB programmer since version 1, and nothing will
    > kill your abilities to maintain and update your programs faster than using
    > third party tools.
    > VB is powerful and flexible enough, that with a few design patterns in

    hand,
    > you will be able to build your applications just as fast as with third

    party
    > tools.


    And nothing will slow development down to a crawl like rolling all your own
    controls.

    Ever try building an engine for MS Excel spreadsheets? Formula 1 does this,
    and while extremely buggy, I'd rather have a product now than wait a few
    years to get the engine working.
    --
    ~~~
    C'Ya,
    mrfelis
    mrfelis@yahoo.NOSPAM.com
    just remove the spam



  6. #6
    Ian Drake Guest

    Re: Requesting Developer Feedback - APEX vs. Sheridan Suites


    What do you want to do that VB dosn't provide? For every third party control
    there is an existing control that ships with vb that you already have. Until
    you have explored all the controls that you have available DONT BUY ANY!
    There is nothing worse then Sheridan pointing a finger at Microsoft and
    Microsoft pointing right back. What do you do then? Your screwed.

    Ian Drake




    "mrfelis" <mrfelis@yahoo.NOSPAM.com> wrote:
    >Guy <GuyBeebe@Butlermfg.org> wrote in message
    >news:39931804$1@news.devx.com...
    >>
    >> "Chris Schmidt" <cgs.meridien@gte.net> wrote:
    >> >
    >> >We are evaluating APEX and Sheridan with the goal of standardizing on

    a
    >> suite
    >> >for our developers. I would appreciate feedback from developers who

    have
    >> >used either or both, or their components. Pros, cons, implementation

    >issues
    >> >and general satisfaction?. We develop multinational SQL database

    >appli-lications
    >> >with VB font ends in Vis Studio Enterprise. Frequent calls to C/C++ subs.
    >> >Appreciate any comments.
    >> >

    >> USE NO THIRD PARTY TOOLS!
    >> I have been a professional VB programmer since version 1, and nothing

    will
    >> kill your abilities to maintain and update your programs faster than using
    >> third party tools.
    >> VB is powerful and flexible enough, that with a few design patterns in

    >hand,
    >> you will be able to build your applications just as fast as with third

    >party
    >> tools.

    >
    >And nothing will slow development down to a crawl like rolling all your

    own
    >controls.
    >
    >Ever try building an engine for MS Excel spreadsheets? Formula 1 does this,
    >and while extremely buggy, I'd rather have a product now than wait a few
    >years to get the engine working.
    >--
    >~~~
    >C'Ya,
    >mrfelis
    >mrfelis@yahoo.NOSPAM.com
    >just remove the spam
    >
    >



  7. #7
    mrfelis Guest

    Re: Requesting Developer Feedback - APEX vs. Sheridan Suites

    Ian,

    Do you mean that VB provides a spreadsheet control that is 80%-90%
    compatible with MS Excel?

    Here's what Formula 1 does (out of the box) that I haven't seen a native VB
    control do:

    1. Read/Write Excel spreadsheets.
    2. Spreadsheet formulas are 90%-95% Compatible with Excel.
    3. Most common Excel functions are supported through either/both programatic
    interface and user interface.

    This is a very powerful control. It goes way beyond any of the generic stuff
    that MS ships with VB.

    Before the VB shell was written, my employers were in the business of
    selling Excel/Lotus spreadsheets. Formula 1 allowed them to replace
    Excel/Lotus with a VB shell that extended the products customer base well
    beyond Exel/Lotus users. The development time for the shell would have been
    6-8 times longer had a custom control not been used.


    --
    ~~~
    C'Ya,
    mrfelis
    mrfelis@yahoo.NOSPAM.com
    just remove the spam
    Ian Drake <ian.drake1@home.com> wrote in message
    news:39ab30f3$1@news.devx.com...
    >
    > What do you want to do that VB dosn't provide? For every third party

    control
    > there is an existing control that ships with vb that you already have.

    Until
    > you have explored all the controls that you have available DONT BUY ANY!
    > There is nothing worse then Sheridan pointing a finger at Microsoft and
    > Microsoft pointing right back. What do you do then? Your screwed.
    >
    > Ian Drake
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > "mrfelis" <mrfelis@yahoo.NOSPAM.com> wrote:
    > >Guy <GuyBeebe@Butlermfg.org> wrote in message
    > >news:39931804$1@news.devx.com...
    > >>
    > >> "Chris Schmidt" <cgs.meridien@gte.net> wrote:
    > >> >
    > >> >We are evaluating APEX and Sheridan with the goal of standardizing on

    > a
    > >> suite
    > >> >for our developers. I would appreciate feedback from developers who

    > have
    > >> >used either or both, or their components. Pros, cons, implementation

    > >issues
    > >> >and general satisfaction?. We develop multinational SQL database

    > >appli-lications
    > >> >with VB font ends in Vis Studio Enterprise. Frequent calls to C/C++

    subs.
    > >> >Appreciate any comments.
    > >> >
    > >> USE NO THIRD PARTY TOOLS!
    > >> I have been a professional VB programmer since version 1, and nothing

    > will
    > >> kill your abilities to maintain and update your programs faster than

    using
    > >> third party tools.
    > >> VB is powerful and flexible enough, that with a few design patterns in

    > >hand,
    > >> you will be able to build your applications just as fast as with third

    > >party
    > >> tools.

    > >
    > >And nothing will slow development down to a crawl like rolling all your

    > own
    > >controls.
    > >
    > >Ever try building an engine for MS Excel spreadsheets? Formula 1 does

    this,
    > >and while extremely buggy, I'd rather have a product now than wait a few
    > >years to get the engine working.
    > >--
    > >~~~
    > >C'Ya,
    > >mrfelis
    > >mrfelis@yahoo.NOSPAM.com
    > >just remove the spam
    > >
    > >

    >




  8. #8
    Ian Drake Guest

    Re: Requesting Developer Feedback - APEX vs. Sheridan Suites


    mrfelis -

    If that's what you need them that's what you need. The only other way you
    could do what you want is to use the Excel Object model. Perhaps that is
    not available or as distributable as you would like. I guess I was comming
    from the position of using sheridan controls for DB grids, calender controls,
    menu bars and other widgets. They did nothing more than any other control
    all ready available in VB and they were tempermental.

    Sounds like this Formula1 control may be just what you need though.

    Ian Drake


    "mrfelis" <mrfelis@yahoo.NOSPAM.com> wrote:
    >Ian,
    >
    >Do you mean that VB provides a spreadsheet control that is 80%-90%
    >compatible with MS Excel?
    >
    >Here's what Formula 1 does (out of the box) that I haven't seen a native

    VB
    >control do:
    >
    >1. Read/Write Excel spreadsheets.
    >2. Spreadsheet formulas are 90%-95% Compatible with Excel.
    >3. Most common Excel functions are supported through either/both programatic
    >interface and user interface.
    >
    >This is a very powerful control. It goes way beyond any of the generic stuff
    >that MS ships with VB.
    >
    >Before the VB shell was written, my employers were in the business of
    >selling Excel/Lotus spreadsheets. Formula 1 allowed them to replace
    >Excel/Lotus with a VB shell that extended the products customer base well
    >beyond Exel/Lotus users. The development time for the shell would have been
    >6-8 times longer had a custom control not been used.
    >
    >
    >--
    >~~~
    >C'Ya,
    >mrfelis
    >mrfelis@yahoo.NOSPAM.com
    >just remove the spam
    >Ian Drake <ian.drake1@home.com> wrote in message
    >news:39ab30f3$1@news.devx.com...
    >>
    >> What do you want to do that VB dosn't provide? For every third party

    >control
    >> there is an existing control that ships with vb that you already have.

    >Until
    >> you have explored all the controls that you have available DONT BUY ANY!
    >> There is nothing worse then Sheridan pointing a finger at Microsoft and
    >> Microsoft pointing right back. What do you do then? Your screwed.
    >>
    >> Ian Drake
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> "mrfelis" <mrfelis@yahoo.NOSPAM.com> wrote:
    >> >Guy <GuyBeebe@Butlermfg.org> wrote in message
    >> >news:39931804$1@news.devx.com...
    >> >>
    >> >> "Chris Schmidt" <cgs.meridien@gte.net> wrote:
    >> >> >
    >> >> >We are evaluating APEX and Sheridan with the goal of standardizing

    on
    >> a
    >> >> suite
    >> >> >for our developers. I would appreciate feedback from developers who

    >> have
    >> >> >used either or both, or their components. Pros, cons, implementation
    >> >issues
    >> >> >and general satisfaction?. We develop multinational SQL database
    >> >appli-lications
    >> >> >with VB font ends in Vis Studio Enterprise. Frequent calls to C/C++

    >subs.
    >> >> >Appreciate any comments.
    >> >> >
    >> >> USE NO THIRD PARTY TOOLS!
    >> >> I have been a professional VB programmer since version 1, and nothing

    >> will
    >> >> kill your abilities to maintain and update your programs faster than

    >using
    >> >> third party tools.
    >> >> VB is powerful and flexible enough, that with a few design patterns

    in
    >> >hand,
    >> >> you will be able to build your applications just as fast as with third
    >> >party
    >> >> tools.
    >> >
    >> >And nothing will slow development down to a crawl like rolling all your

    >> own
    >> >controls.
    >> >
    >> >Ever try building an engine for MS Excel spreadsheets? Formula 1 does

    >this,
    >> >and while extremely buggy, I'd rather have a product now than wait a

    few
    >> >years to get the engine working.
    >> >--
    >> >~~~
    >> >C'Ya,
    >> >mrfelis
    >> >mrfelis@yahoo.NOSPAM.com
    >> >just remove the spam
    >> >
    >> >

    >>

    >
    >



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