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  1. #1
    Guru Guest

    vb7


    is VB7 platform independent

  2. #2
    Phil Weber Guest

    Re: vb7

    > Is VB7 platform independent

    Guru: VB.NET (a.k.a. VB7) programs require the .NET runtime, which is
    currently only available for Windows. Microsoft has announced plans to port
    the runtime to Windows for Pocket PC (a.k.a. WinCE), and there's nothing to
    prevent other vendors from porting the runtime to non-Windows platforms. If
    that happens, VB.NET will be cross-platform.
    ---
    Phil Weber

    P.S. -- As its name suggests, this group is for posting announcements
    related to VB (new products, Web sites, user groups, etc.) In the future,
    please post messages regarding VB.NET to the vb.vb7 group. Thanks!



  3. #3
    mrfelis Guest

    Re: vb7

    Phil Weber <pweber@devx.com> wrote in message
    news:3a5cb1c2$1@news.devx.com...
    > > Is VB7 platform independent

    > and there's nothing to
    > prevent other vendors from porting the runtime to non-Windows platforms


    Other than common sence? <BG>

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  4. #4
    Phil Weber Guest

    Re: vb7

    > Other than common sense? <BG>

    I know you're teasing, but don't you think Apple and the various Linux
    vendors would love to have millions of VB developers able to create software
    for their platforms? I think it could be in their best interests to port the
    CLR to their platforms.
    ---
    Phil Weber



  5. #5
    mrfelis Guest

    Re: vb7

    Phil Weber <pweber@devx.com> wrote in message
    news:3a5d03d5$1@news.devx.com...
    > > Other than common sense? <BG>

    >
    > I know you're teasing, but don't you think Apple and the various Linux
    > vendors would love to have millions of VB developers able to create

    software
    > for their platforms? I think it could be in their best interests to port

    the
    > CLR to their platforms.


    I'm split on the issue myself. The only way I'm likely to "upgrade" to
    VB.Net is if my employer chooses to. I expect that won't happen for a couple
    of years after VB.Net's final release (if at all). So I'm going to be
    staying with VB 6 for some time to come. So far this CLR doesn't impress me.
    The rumors i've herd:

    Large Runtime
    An Intermediate language (just another name for P-Code)

    So if all(?) VS compilers, VB, C and Java, will be dependent on this massive
    runtime and compiled to p-code I've pretty much lost interest in .Net
    altogether. For my personal enrichment, I'll stick with VB6 as long as it
    lives and move on to a different language and possibly a different platform.
    Hey, like Mathew says it is VB6 is now a stable platform now.

    Now, knowing my feelings on this matter, I imagine there are a lot of other
    VB developers in the same mood. Now is a good time for other compiler
    developers (Borland listen up!) to start converting VB developers. So Apple
    and Linux vendors may want a CLR, or they may be crossing their fingers,
    hoping VB.Net drive VB programers away from Microsoft in droves.

    Why are we cursed to live in interesting times?

    > ---
    > Phil Weber
    >
    >


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  6. #6
    Litehouse Guest

    Re: vb7

    I'm really prone to agree with you mrfelis... it seems I smell evil in this
    new .NET platform.

    Litehouse...

    "mrfelis" <mrfelis@yahoo.NOSPAM.com> wrote in message
    news:3a5dbe1f@news.devx.com...
    > Phil Weber <pweber@devx.com> wrote in message
    > news:3a5d03d5$1@news.devx.com...
    > > > Other than common sense? <BG>

    > >
    > > I know you're teasing, but don't you think Apple and the various Linux
    > > vendors would love to have millions of VB developers able to create

    > software
    > > for their platforms? I think it could be in their best interests to port

    > the
    > > CLR to their platforms.

    >
    > I'm split on the issue myself. The only way I'm likely to "upgrade" to
    > VB.Net is if my employer chooses to. I expect that won't happen for a

    couple
    > of years after VB.Net's final release (if at all). So I'm going to be
    > staying with VB 6 for some time to come. So far this CLR doesn't impress

    me.
    > The rumors i've herd:
    >
    > Large Runtime
    > An Intermediate language (just another name for P-Code)
    >
    > So if all(?) VS compilers, VB, C and Java, will be dependent on this

    massive
    > runtime and compiled to p-code I've pretty much lost interest in .Net
    > altogether. For my personal enrichment, I'll stick with VB6 as long as it
    > lives and move on to a different language and possibly a different

    platform.
    > Hey, like Mathew says it is VB6 is now a stable platform now.
    >
    > Now, knowing my feelings on this matter, I imagine there are a lot of

    other
    > VB developers in the same mood. Now is a good time for other compiler
    > developers (Borland listen up!) to start converting VB developers. So

    Apple
    > and Linux vendors may want a CLR, or they may be crossing their fingers,
    > hoping VB.Net drive VB programers away from Microsoft in droves.
    >
    > Why are we cursed to live in interesting times?
    >
    > > ---
    > > Phil Weber
    > >
    > >

    >
    > --
    > ~~~
    > !ti timda I ,KO
    > .em deppals nocaeB sivaM
    > !draH
    > ~~
    > C'Ya,
    > mrfelis@yahoo!com
    >
    >




  7. #7
    Yves Reynhout Guest

    Re: vb7

    Maybe one should first learn (in detail, I might add) what .Net is about,
    what it offers, what the bigger picture is, what kind of developers it
    targets, what ...
    Too many questions are still unanswered, and the MS marketing/hype-machine
    and e-Publishers have everybody's head spinning, launching Previews and
    Betas to warm us all up, on one side, and cursing .Net to be the next best
    thing to the devil, on the other side.

    One thing is clear: Evolution is inevitable ...whether it is good or bad is
    an entirly different matter.



  8. #8
    Ray Smith Guest

    Re: vb7

    Hi,

    I'm not a big VB user, but need to do a little here and there ... so I don't
    keep completely up to date.

    My Question:
    Has it been confirmed that the new VS 7 products will only target the .NET
    architecture?

    or ... another way to ask the same question ...
    Will each of the products still be able to produce code not reliant on .NET.
    ie. like it is now?

    Thanks

    Ray Smith


    Yves Reynhout <yreynhout@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:3a60c899@news.devx.com...
    > Maybe one should first learn (in detail, I might add) what .Net is about,
    > what it offers, what the bigger picture is, what kind of developers it
    > targets, what ...
    > Too many questions are still unanswered, and the MS marketing/hype-machine
    > and e-Publishers have everybody's head spinning, launching Previews and
    > Betas to warm us all up, on one side, and cursing .Net to be the next best
    > thing to the devil, on the other side.
    >
    > One thing is clear: Evolution is inevitable ...whether it is good or bad

    is
    > an entirly different matter.
    >
    >




  9. #9
    Mattias Sjögren Guest

    Re: vb7

    Ray,

    >Will each of the products still be able to produce code not reliant on .NET.
    >ie. like it is now?


    VB: .NET only
    C#: .NET only
    VC++: Your choice
    VFP: No .NET support at all


    Matt

    ====================================
    Mattias Sjögren - mattias @ mvps.org

  10. #10
    Brent Carr Guest

    Re: vb7

    I agree with Yves. Programmers seem to concentrate on the nuts and bolts of
    a development language and forget about the big picture.

    VB7/.Net will be used in the development team for projects that require it,
    and VB5/6 will be used where they are required.Its so funny to watch the
    great debate about the evils of Microsoft blah blah .... Why would I jump
    ship and move to Delphi e.t.c just because the new .Net languages use CRL (a
    large evil Run-time) as someone in this discussion mentioned. Microsoft
    products keep me in the money and until any of you have actually used the
    final release of this product to create real world applications there is not
    much to discus.

    Happy coding

    Brent

    "Yves Reynhout" <yreynhout@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:3a60c899@news.devx.com...
    > Maybe one should first learn (in detail, I might add) what .Net is about,
    > what it offers, what the bigger picture is, what kind of developers it
    > targets, what ...
    > Too many questions are still unanswered, and the MS marketing/hype-machine
    > and e-Publishers have everybody's head spinning, launching Previews and
    > Betas to warm us all up, on one side, and cursing .Net to be the next best
    > thing to the devil, on the other side.
    >
    > One thing is clear: Evolution is inevitable ...whether it is good or bad

    is
    > an entirly different matter.
    >
    >




  11. #11
    mrfelis Guest

    Re: vb7

    Brent Carr <brent@carr.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote in message
    news:3b3ba839@news.devx.com...
    > I agree with Yves. Programmers seem to concentrate on the nuts and bolts

    of
    > a development language and forget about the big picture.
    >


    How much bigger could the picture get? Everything for VB.Net will comiple to
    an IR. the Combined Language Runtime will interperate this IR. This extra
    layer (the CLR) will be slower, require more memory, and slow a machine
    down.

    > VB7/.Net will be used in the development team for projects that require

    it,
    > and VB5/6 will be used where they are required.


    Doubtful. People rarely make unbiased decisions. Often enough, the decision
    will be made by those who don't often know the true ramifications of their
    decisions. I know of a company who's CEO decided to use Microsoft tools
    only. That company is now blinded to alternatives, and highly biased.

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