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Thread: Coke vs. Pepsi : Java vs. .NET

  1. #1
    Max Caber Guest

    Coke vs. Pepsi : Java vs. .NET


    Imagine that you came of age before Pepsi, and you hated Coke. You hated
    coke so much that you posted to news groups about how much you hated it.
    Even the word, “cola” made you want to cringe. Then Pepsi was introduced
    into the market, and you claimed that it was the best thing since sliced
    bread. However, if someone was to blindfold you, and force you to take a
    sip of each, there is a good chance that you could not tell the difference
    between the two.

    This is how I view Java and .NET. One may be a little better for this and
    one may be a little better for that. But there is really not that much difference
    between writing a Java application and a C# /VBNET application.

    What really makes me laugh are all of the VB advocates that have claimed
    to “hate Java” for years, that are now the biggest fans of .NET.


  2. #2
    Mike Mitchell Guest

    Re: Coke vs. Pepsi : Java vs. .NET

    On 11 Nov 2001 15:10:52 GMT, "Max Caber" <maxcaber@yahoo.com> wrote:

    >What really makes me laugh are all of the VB advocates that have claimed
    >to “hate Java” for years, that are now the biggest fans of .NET.


    Please qualify "all".

    MM

  3. #3
    Phil Weber Guest

    Re: Coke vs. Pepsi : Java vs. .NET

    > However, if someone was to blindfold you and force you
    > to take a sip of each, there is a good chance that you
    > could not tell the difference between the two.


    Max: First of all, I can *totally* taste the difference between Coke and
    Pepsi (I prefer Coke). ;-)

    > What really makes me laugh are all of the VB advocates
    > that have claimed to “hate Java” for years, that are now
    > the biggest fans of .NET.


    I can't speak for other "VB advocates," but I have nothing against Java.
    What I find obnoxious is the religious anti-Microsoft fervor of many in the
    pro-Java camp.
    ---
    Phil Weber



  4. #4
    Patrick Troughton Guest

    Re: Coke vs. Pepsi : Java vs. .NET


    I don't know where you're getting this from. I for one have never said I hated
    Java. Nor have the other VB programmers I work with and know.

    /Pat

    "Max Caber" <maxcaber@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >
    >Imagine that you came of age before Pepsi, and you hated Coke. You hated
    >coke so much that you posted to news groups about how much you hated it.
    > Even the word, “cola” made you want to cringe. Then Pepsi was introduced
    >into the market, and you claimed that it was the best thing since sliced
    >bread. However, if someone was to blindfold you, and force you to take

    a
    >sip of each, there is a good chance that you could not tell the difference
    >between the two.
    >
    >This is how I view Java and .NET. One may be a little better for this and
    >one may be a little better for that. But there is really not that much

    difference
    >between writing a Java application and a C# /VBNET application.
    >
    >What really makes me laugh are all of the VB advocates that have claimed
    >to “hate Java” for years, that are now the biggest fans of .NET.



  5. #5
    Patrick Troughton Guest

    Re: Coke vs. Pepsi : Java vs. .NET


    I can't help but point out that so much of the anti-.NET propaganda is based
    on falsehoods and half-truths.

    /Pat

    "Patrick Troughton" <Patrick@Troughton.com> wrote:
    >
    >I don't know where you're getting this from. I for one have never said I

    hated
    >Java. Nor have the other VB programmers I work with and know.
    >
    >/Pat



  6. #6
    max caber Guest

    Re: Coke vs. Pepsi : Java vs. .NET


    Phil,
    I am sorry if I sounded more in favor of one side than the other. I love
    Coke, Pepsi, and even Diet Coke and Diet Pepsi. The new Diet Coke with lemon
    is the best yet!

    I also love the improvements that C# has made to the Java language(properties,
    indexers, attributes, enums and built in XML Remoting). However, I would
    not turn down a great programming contract because it involved Java in place
    of C#.

    I agree that anyone who claims to Love Coke, while claiming to hate Pepsi
    is equally as obnoxious.

    Phil wrote,
    "What I find obnoxious is the religious anti-Microsoft fervor of many in
    the pro-Java camp."

  7. #7
    Who Cares? Guest

    Re: Coke vs. Pepsi : Java vs. .NET


    "Patrick Troughton" <Patrick@Troughton.com> wrote in message
    news:3beeecff@147.208.176.211...
    >
    > I can't help but point out that so much of the anti-.NET propaganda is

    based
    > on falsehoods and half-truths.



    I thought "misdirection" was Microsoft's specialty?





  8. #8
    Who Cares? Guest

    Re: Coke vs. Pepsi : Java vs. .NET


    "Phil Weber" <pweber @ fawcette.com> wrote in message
    news:3beeb428$1@147.208.176.211...
    >
    > What I find obnoxious is the religious anti-Microsoft fervor of many in

    the
    > pro-Java camp.



    I used Microsoft products for a time. My
    original programming languages were
    QuickPascal and QuickC for DOS.

    Unlike you, I got tired of being sacrificed for
    the MS greater good, the MS stock price,
    and being associated with illegal and
    unsavory business practices.








  9. #9
    Phil Weber Guest

    Re: Coke vs. Pepsi : Java vs. .NET

    > Unlike you, I got tired of being sacrificed for the MS
    > greater good, the MS stock price, and being associated
    > with illegal and unsavory business practices.


    Who: First of all, I don't know of any large corporation that doesn't engage
    in "unsavory business practices" (you think Sun's and AOL's hands are
    clean?), so I don't consider MS worse than any of the other players in that
    regard.

    Second, I hold MS stock, so what's good for the company is good for me.

    Third, in what way(s) do you feel you've been sacrificed? I feel empowered,
    both as an end user and as a developer, by Microsoft's software products
    over the years. They're not perfect, but they consistently suck the least.
    ---
    Phil Weber



  10. #10
    Ed Courtenay Guest

    Re: Coke vs. Pepsi : Java vs. .NET

    Er, yeah, right...

    I've been a very vocal advocate of Java in the past, because it was a very
    capable technology and a great language to work with. I now feel that the
    baton has been passed to .NET. That's not to say that I won't do any more
    work in Java - why cut my nose off to spite my face?

    Indeed, I'm not going to turn my back on any VB6 projects that come my way -
    admittedly it seems increasingly likely that any such projects will be
    maintenance oriented rather than new development, but work is work. ****,
    I'm even getting my MCSD at the moment and, hey, I'm using VB6...

    Oh yeah, Pepsi sucks....

    "Max Caber" <maxcaber@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:3bee94fc$1@147.208.176.211...
    >
    > Imagine that you came of age before Pepsi, and you hated Coke. You hated
    > coke so much that you posted to news groups about how much you hated it.
    > Even the word, "cola" made you want to cringe. Then Pepsi was introduced
    > into the market, and you claimed that it was the best thing since sliced
    > bread. However, if someone was to blindfold you, and force you to take a
    > sip of each, there is a good chance that you could not tell the

    difference
    > between the two.
    >
    > This is how I view Java and .NET. One may be a little better for this and
    > one may be a little better for that. But there is really not that much

    difference
    > between writing a Java application and a C# /VBNET application.
    >
    > What really makes me laugh are all of the VB advocates that have claimed
    > to "hate Java" for years, that are now the biggest fans of .NET.
    >




  11. #11
    MarkN Guest

    Re: Coke vs. Pepsi : Java vs. .NET


    The same can be said for J2EE.

    "Patrick Troughton" <Patrick@Troughton.com> wrote:
    >
    >I can't help but point out that so much of the anti-.NET propaganda is based
    >on falsehoods and half-truths.
    >
    >/Pat
    >
    >"Patrick Troughton" <Patrick@Troughton.com> wrote:
    >>
    >>I don't know where you're getting this from. I for one have never said

    I
    >hated
    >>Java. Nor have the other VB programmers I work with and know.
    >>
    >>/Pat

    >



  12. #12
    MarkN Guest

    Re: Coke vs. Pepsi : Java vs. .NET


    So you or those you work with don't. But you must not read magazines, news,
    or most of the posts in MS discussion/news groups because there sure is a
    lot of it there.

    I feel the same way about .NET. I look forward to it(for projects where
    MS is a must) and can't wait to totally dump VB6. After using Java I don't
    enjoy having to code VB6. I do like the money so I continue to do it. Any
    one org/person who is commited to MS products should as quickly as possible
    move to .NET and is nuts if they don't.

    Mark

    "Patrick Troughton" <Patrick@Troughton.com> wrote:
    >
    >I don't know where you're getting this from. I for one have never said I

    hated
    >Java. Nor have the other VB programmers I work with and know.
    >
    >/Pat
    >
    >"Max Caber" <maxcaber@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >>
    >>Imagine that you came of age before Pepsi, and you hated Coke. You hated
    >>coke so much that you posted to news groups about how much you hated it.
    >> Even the word, “cola” made you want to cringe. Then Pepsi was introduced
    >>into the market, and you claimed that it was the best thing since sliced
    >>bread. However, if someone was to blindfold you, and force you to take

    >a
    >>sip of each, there is a good chance that you could not tell the difference
    >>between the two.
    >>
    >>This is how I view Java and .NET. One may be a little better for this

    and
    >>one may be a little better for that. But there is really not that much

    >difference
    >>between writing a Java application and a C# /VBNET application.
    >>
    >>What really makes me laugh are all of the VB advocates that have claimed
    >>to “hate Java” for years, that are now the biggest fans of .NET.

    >



  13. #13
    MarkN Guest

    Re: Coke vs. Pepsi : Java vs. .NET


    >What I find obnoxious is the religious anti-Microsoft fervor of many in >the
    >pro-Java camp.


    Me too. But just as much the anti-Java (anti-Sun for the uneducated) in the
    pro-MS camp. Can't we all get along? (Picture the Bill Clinton tear/lip
    bite). Yeah, right after there is peace in Israel/Palestine.

    Mark


  14. #14
    Vlad Ivanov Guest

    Re: Coke vs. Pepsi : Java vs. .NET



    >What really makes me laugh are all of the VB advocates that have claimed
    >to “hate Java” for years, that are now the biggest fans of .NET.
    >


    I dislike anything that doesn't come with IDE comparable feature-wise to
    Microsofts. I looked at Java when it came out just to discover absolutely
    horrifying IDEs. It was disgusting - it's like VB never happened - back to
    days of Windows 3.1.

    I won't support and invest into any language from any company that doesn't
    take seriously my needs as a developer. And my needs are simple = state of
    the art IDE. Notepad won't do. See? It has nothing to do with how good the
    java is.

    Now the situation has changed a bit - but it's too late - i can just wait
    for C#.

  15. #15
    Patrick Troughton Guest

    Re: Coke vs. Pepsi : Java vs. .NET


    "Richard Curzon" <rcurzon@spamcop.net> wrote:
    >The most unsavory current practice IMO is that fake consumer conglomerate
    >funded by Sun/Oracle/IBM that is always getting in the news as a "key
    >industry consumer advocate group".


    Which group is that, so that I can watch out for them?

    /Pat

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